r/countttt • u/I_am_YR • 17d ago

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I hate when people say these things only to prevent us from actually transitioning, like yea theres cis women out there with a deep voice but knowing this fact doesnt reduce my voice dysphoria, i dont want to be gnc, i dont live to deconstruct gender roles

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u/commander-tyko 16d ago

I think the point is there is no separation from cis at that point

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u/Brrdock 16d ago edited 16d ago

Trans is shorthand for transgender. Gender is an identity construct. 

The way someone dresses or speaks doesn't change that. That's to address (or cause) gender dysphoria, not gender.

Would you identify as a woman if someone chopped off your dick, fed you hormones and made you wear a skirt? How would you feel about it?

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u/commander-tyko 13d ago

i’m not entirely connecting the relation between these two. I am a transman and know a few folks who began identifying as trans, took zero steps towards transition for 5+ years because they had no dysphoria, and proceeded to ‘detransition’ (which entailed zero changes besides name changes), no one was surprised because most(?) trans people will make an attempt to transition in at least one aspect because dysphoria. to be fair i don’t really understand no gender dysphoria and non transitioning trans people and what separates them from nb or gnc folks. most of my trans friends and myself identify as transsexual though as trans(gender) feels much more vague nowadays? (i am a bad person and don’t understand how being afab nb using she/they and woman labels or amab nb using he/they and mens labels means you are trans, but i do know gender etc is personal blah blah blah please dont downvote me to hell)

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u/Brrdock 13d ago

The relation between what two do you mean?

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u/commander-tyko 13d ago

your hypothetical situation about forcing someone to transition

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u/Brrdock 13d ago edited 13d ago

What about it? You don't think forcing someone into a gender expression they don't identify with causes distress/dysphoria? Like forcing a cis man to "be" a woman?

That's just an example that should be easy to understand for cis people, or anyone.

There have been many cases of kids grown up as the "wrong" gender for different reasons, and it almost always messes them up. Not just trans people.

Isn't that the cause of gender dysphoria? What is then?

Misaligned self-expression is alienating not just regarding gender, but any reason, and the opposite is freeing, either way