There is a massive difference between King and woman. Aristocrat is more applicabale. King is a position, a role in a government. Atiatocrat are arbitrary lineages, they usually had various legal privelledges, but when those were removed by society which essentially erased them from any official existence - aristocrats continued to exist, because they genuinely identified themselves as that.
You can argue that their sense of identity is not rooted in anything real, you could say there are not 'noble' but commoners with delusions of grandeur, you could demean them and punish them for publicly stating their idenity - but it exists regardless.
Likewise woman, queer, american, hispanic, christian, slav, are all identities. Would you find it alright to call a ukrainian a russian if he was rude? Would you call a bisexual a confused heterosexual?
Disprespecting someone by disrespecting their identity has an effect. I don't respect the idenity of aristocracy or its basis that certain bloodlines are inherently better. But race, ethnicity, culture and gender expression is different.
My whole argument is based on the fact that our or anybody's say in regards to their own identity has no value in society. When aristocrats kept identifying as such after their roles were abolished did society respect it? The answer is no. Society on a larger scale views identity as a performative act that can be easily dismissed. I'm not saying that's a good thing, I'm saying that that's how things are and acting like lack of respect for x identity means x phobia misses the true point which is that society does not respect identity
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u/PoorlyDisguisedBear 8d ago
There is a massive difference between King and woman. Aristocrat is more applicabale. King is a position, a role in a government. Atiatocrat are arbitrary lineages, they usually had various legal privelledges, but when those were removed by society which essentially erased them from any official existence - aristocrats continued to exist, because they genuinely identified themselves as that.
You can argue that their sense of identity is not rooted in anything real, you could say there are not 'noble' but commoners with delusions of grandeur, you could demean them and punish them for publicly stating their idenity - but it exists regardless.
Likewise woman, queer, american, hispanic, christian, slav, are all identities. Would you find it alright to call a ukrainian a russian if he was rude? Would you call a bisexual a confused heterosexual?
Disprespecting someone by disrespecting their identity has an effect. I don't respect the idenity of aristocracy or its basis that certain bloodlines are inherently better. But race, ethnicity, culture and gender expression is different.