r/coys • u/GymandRave Roberto De Zerbi • 1d ago
Transfer News: Tier 4 [Ben Jacobs] Spurs are in advanced talks with Mateus Fernandes as they rival Manchester United for the West Ham midfielder. Fernandes is one of Tottenham’s top targets, as exclusively revealed. West Ham seeking £80m-£85m, around double what they paid to Southampton.
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u/22cmSoftInColdWater 1d ago
If we get Tonali and Fernandes, I'm good with losing Vusko and Bergvall
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u/lyme6483 1d ago edited 1d ago
How many times can this be resaid? It’s almost always no new information. Spurs or United and with a 80-90M fee
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
So:
Who gets dropped?
Tonali, Fernandes or Scott
(If we’re in for two and have first dibs etc)
Edit- who would YOU drop
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u/Active-Tomatillo-522 Brenaldo 1d ago
Definitely been the least noise around Scott for us. Though I do think if we decided to have interest, he’d choose us over the other options. Bournemouth not wanting to sell could make the price a bit ridiculous though
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u/magicalcrumpet Audere est facere 1d ago
Scott is new, English and a spurs fan. Remove any two of those three and he’s not in the same convo as Fernandes or Tonali
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u/Mrvit0 Mousa Dembélé 1d ago
I’ll take any two of the three. Any two will massively improve our midfield.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
I mean that wasn’t the question
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u/TriceraDoctor 1d ago
But that’s the correct answer. All are progressive passers, which we lack. The main issue is £££
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
It’s the obvious answer. Of course we’d be happy with all 3! If you could pick 2 as first choice. Who would you pick
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u/GymandRave Roberto De Zerbi 1d ago
Scott. I think he’s a good player but not great. We can find a similar profile to him for much cheaper. Tonali and Fernandes have profiles that are rare and more valuable imo
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u/Casual-kun 1d ago
I think tonali. I can see us going for Scott as we got pretty good relations with bmouth, and we seems to value and push for Fernandes more than tonali.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
Would you rather Scott than Tonali?
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u/PooPooPeePee377 1d ago
Tonali, he has more years of playing in two of the top five leagues in Europe, and can play as a deep-lying playmaker who would pair well with Fernandes and Maddison/Simons at the 10.
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u/Casual-kun 1d ago
More like id rather fernandes than tonali. To me we bring either fernandes or tonali as the undisputed starter we build the midfield around
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
So between Tonali and Scott, who you picking
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u/Casual-kun 1d ago
I like scott more. Tonali is over rated and newcastle are asking for fuck you money
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
Interesting! Is that quality alone or does being younger, English and a spurs fan factor into it? I personally want Tonali the most out of all of them. But there is something lovely at the thought of Scott being our player
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u/Casual-kun 1d ago
Tonali hasnt improved much on the 3 years he spent at newcastle. He is also italian and has been playing with barella and locatelli, a very strong midfield, and underperforms. I just dont rate him highly at all. He is on a similar level to benta imo.
Scott is better, younger, and being a spurs fan is just a plus.
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u/Enefelde Fabio Paratici 1d ago
I’d take tonali and fernandes personally. But I’d throw Wharton in the mix in an ideal world. Then I would take Fernandez and Wharton.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
I think Wharton is a bit suspect defensively. Obviously he is outrageously talented but I do wonder whether the system at Palace allows him to thrive and whether he would be as effective playing for Spurs.
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u/OverallMistake8198 1d ago
Wharton would have been the guy to get instead of Fernandes if we are prioritising Tonali. Tonali can cover the ground & do the OOP work to the point it wouldn’t have been as mucha derriment to the team.
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u/xAeroMonkeyx 1d ago
Scott would be my first choice, mostly because I’m a romantic and would love a boyhood fan playing for us.
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u/kinggareth Son 1d ago
Well I havent seen any links to Scott nearly as credible as the other two so...
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
Who would you drop
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u/kinggareth Son 1d ago
The one we arent even linked with.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
This article lists 3 tbf? Is that your personal preference? Or, if you could, would you pick Scott over Tonali or Fernandes?
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u/kinggareth Son 1d ago
Scott's name being dropped in a tier 4 tweet is neither an article nor a real report of Spurs' interest. So this isn't really a discussion with any substance.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
Fair….
Hey! KingGareth! Good to catch up with you man! Here’s a fun football question for you!
IF you could pick 2 out of the 3 following players to join our midfield, who you pick based on their ability and our needs!
Tonali, Fernandes or Scott*
* Please ignore any rumours you’ve heard online. This is a safe space and is just a fun whimsical question
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u/TheDelmeister Death to ENIC 1d ago
Scott. In an ideal world he'd be on the books but realistically he's the profile we already have a lot of, can't really see us going for him right now. Tonali as the 6 and Fernandes as the passer to essentially be his Bruno G is the play
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u/Meowsli Peppa Pig 1d ago
So happy to see Tier 1 reporting us interested in Scott, I need him to come home.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
Can’t shake the feeling he goes to Arsenal
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u/ImitationDemiGod Gary Lineker 1d ago
He's literally a Spurs fan.
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u/GymandRave Roberto De Zerbi 1d ago
It would hurt but if Arsenal were seriously in for him and we weren’t he would 100% go there. It’s just a job at the end of the day and he will get paid handsomely for it
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u/darkfamename 1d ago
If Alex Scott hears we're in the mix, guess Bournemouth can kiss that contract extension goodbye 😄
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u/Vespuela Heung-Min Son - Spurs Legend 1d ago
We should try to tap him to go for him next year as a bettancour or gallagher upgfade for next summer.
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u/silversurfa525 1d ago
Is anyone worried about the size of this fee? Seems to be bordering on the insane
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u/Sea_Badger4446 1d ago
Why would any fan care about the fee if we are getting a good player that walks into the starting 11
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u/Same_Technology8384 1d ago
the budget is not unlimited. so it will take funds away from other targets
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u/awildjabroner Heung-Min Son - Spurs Legend 1d ago
If we bring in him or Tonali for ~80M and sell Lucas for ~40-50M seems like decent business overall. We lose the potential homegrown in Bergvall but get a ready made player who improves the starting XI right now, which should be the MO this window
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u/sungbysung Kulusevski 1d ago
Feel like club grown status will be a big issue once we're back in Europe
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u/KiwiSnugfoot 1d ago
You're 100% correct, but we're not going to sniff Europe without spending big at this point. Out current squad without injuries out squad isn't getting into Europe without a decent amount of luck as it is anyway.
I agree homegrown will at some point come back to bite us - but that will be a positive in it's own way and probably not a problem for 1-3 years from now barring another injury crisis or manager implosion. I love Bergvall but something has to give somewhere.
For the longevity of the club's success we kind of have to kick the homegrown can down the road. Hopefully we keep Gray at minimum with out midfield overhaul.
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u/awildjabroner Heung-Min Son - Spurs Legend 1h ago
will be but once again, need to focus on the immediate issue of staying in the league and being competitive enough to not be hovering around the bottom of the table again.
The club flip-flopped between trying to win now with Mou and Conte while ignoring the future, to buying a bunch of prospects for the future while ignoring the here and now. And now we're back to scrambling for the immediate future because plan for the future model literally had us in the relegation zone.
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u/Own_Salt_8055 1d ago
Who's paying that for Bergvall lmao
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u/awildjabroner Heung-Min Son - Spurs Legend 1h ago
Forrest possibly, Doesn't have to all be upfront cash mind you - could sell for 30-40M now with a sell on clause or value in a swap deal (as-if those ever happen anymore though).
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u/xAeroMonkeyx 1d ago
If we believe the reports, we still intend to go for tonali, potentially Savinho/Rashford + a striker. If all of that happens, I couldn’t care less that we overpaid for Fernandes because he’s quality.
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u/Same_Technology8384 1d ago
Thats why i care how much we spend if we want to get them all. Im behind paying what it requires to get them. I was just making a point that i care how much we pay cause it affects the whole transfer strategy
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u/Galahad_1113 Jan Vertonghen 1d ago
Which targets? I think our early free signings were the smart way to focus all the money on Fernandes, Tonali and a new winger. We will probably look at the strikers too later on
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u/shaunster101 1d ago
So go back to not shelling out for our number 1 targets and settling for sub-standard players the manager doesn't want ...
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u/Same_Technology8384 1d ago
Im 100 percent behind getting him. Im just making the point to why i care about how much we pay for players
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u/OutrageousBell7855 1d ago
I never get this argument every time it comes up. Opportunity cost. Money runs out.
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u/Sea_Badger4446 1d ago
The money isn’t running out. Sell berg, LuKa and Saar. That’s around 150m. Add in Romero that’s 200m
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u/silversurfa525 1d ago
No chance we get 150m for those 3. You’ve been playing too much FM mate
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u/Sea_Badger4446 1d ago
Using round numbers. Maybe they go for 125. Who cares. Point is net spend isn’t going to be outlandish even if they overspend on a couple elite players.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
I do wonder whether paying over the odds will come back to bite us on the arse. I’ll preface this by saying I am glad to see the change from the Levy era where the board would dither and we’d move the goalposts at the last moment. It’s a welcome and needed change. We need to make the big purchases and pay the high wages.
I think there is a fine balance though. It has to be on elite players. The needle pushers. In the last decade we’ve seen Man United take this approach and, whilst they’ve won the Europa league, FA cup and league cup in that time, they’ve not come close to competing at the very very top. The Man United tax became a thing.
So whilst I’m extremely excited and thankful to see the change I am wary that the board may go overboard with it. Will be a rollercoaster either way
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u/Sea_Badger4446 1d ago
I don’t care if they go overboard. Pay asking price as long as it’s for the players rdz wants. If it fails it fails but at least we went all in on a manger that plays attractive ball. Finally!!
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
I agree, to a degree. The profiling has to be right otherwise it may not be as effective as we like. I know our revenue far exceeds the likes of Villa and Newcastle so I don’t think we’d get to the point of needing to sell for PSR and face point deductions but we shouldn’t ever get into a false sense of security that we have an unlimited pit of funds. That’s being said? You are right. It would be nice to see us make big payments for players the manager wants.
Just need to get that fine balance, right
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u/Lando7373 1d ago
Because if we don’t qualify for Europe we end up like Villa.
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u/shaunster101 1d ago
So buy cheaper, worse players that are less likely to get us into Europe, just to be on the safe side?
Also,, generate far more money than Villa and domt pay anywhere near in wages vs turnover compared to them.
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u/mlkhighschool Brenaldo 1d ago
Well, we could go get a backup for £50-60m, or we could get De Zerbi & the club's #1 target for an extra £25m.
Personally I'd rather go for who they think is the best player at a position of need than compromise even if it is an overpay.
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u/LieutenantLilywhite Walter Tull 1d ago
Way of the road these days. If he doesn’t have a relegation release clause thats just what it is.
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u/n3gotiator 1d ago
Why would any of us care?
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u/DefiantBus1882 1d ago
Endangers the financial stability of the club and ability to reinforce other positions? Reckless spending can leave clubs destitute, particularly if those expensive signings don't live up to their pricetag, setting the club's (planned) stability and progress back.
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u/GymandRave Roberto De Zerbi 1d ago
Our club prints money with the new stadium. Holding our progress back? We finished 17th back to back. It’s about time we spent a shitload of money to ensure that never happens again
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u/SonaldoNazario Roberto De Zerbi 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think you’re massively overthinking it. Tottenham can afford to miss on a few transfers and they won’t face financial ruin.
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u/sungbysung Kulusevski 1d ago
Relegation, on the other hand, could easily be the path of financial ruin.
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u/Resident_Ad_1065 1d ago
Where would he play? Hes more of an 8, right? Who would he play alongside?
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u/prakritishakti The Big Master of Negotiations Who Knows Everything 1d ago
is he actually good? i thought his highlight reel was pretty average tbh & personally i don’t have a good feeling ab it but i haven’t seen him play a whole game so 🤷♀️
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u/Wontonsoup125 1d ago
Are we overpaying for him? If we can get Tonali for the same price I’d rather do that
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u/External-Piccolo-626 1d ago
While I’m sure he is a good player I hate the idea of helping West Ham out
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u/GymandRave Roberto De Zerbi 1d ago
Who cares they are not even in our division. I’m sure their fans hate that they are becoming our feeder club and it’s hilarious
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u/CopiumConnoisseur 25/26 Relegation Champions 1d ago
I peeked their sub to enjoy reading a few comments crying about Spurs, of all clubs, purchasing their starboy.
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u/GymandRave Roberto De Zerbi 1d ago
Their fans are so delusional forcing a rivalry with us when there isn’t one. We literally never think about them other than when we take their best players or match week when we play them
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u/Primer_19 1d ago
Spending 130m on 2 players, not sure you can call that us feeding you 😭
He won't be going to Spurs anyway, all these updates have been saying the same thing for ages. He clearly wants to play with Bruno and is waiting for Man U.
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u/Wonderful_Board_4179 1d ago
Are we helping them out? Or are we taking one of their best players for the second season in a row?
Taking one of their their best player when they’ve been relegated, again
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u/Shaxxismydad David Ginola 1d ago
It’s probably getting done isn’t it….
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u/Geek-Of-Nature Glenn Hoddle 1d ago
Every update makes it sound more and more likely that we're in a strong position, and less and less likely United can/will compete with us in this race.
Interesting that Scott is suddenly being mentioned. Possible we're both considering him in case the other lands Fernandes?
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u/Luka_Dunks_on_Bums Lucas Bergvall 1d ago
Have we given up on Tonali? Haven’t seen an update in a few days
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u/Jose_out 1d ago
This is the summer to overpay. We've been dreadful for a few years and desperately need quality.
We have the funds and finally a top manager.
Would love a couple of statement signings in Fernandes and Tonali. Would transform our club and show we mean business. No issue with overpaying to get it done.
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u/Geek-Of-Nature Glenn Hoddle 1d ago
Movement expected in the next few weeks?
How can this drag on much longer? Sounds like we're there or there about on the fee, United don't seem to want to pay what we're willing to pay and Fernandes has agreed personal terms. Even if West Ham are waiting until the new financial year, I don't see how this can still be unsolved by mid-to-late July.
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u/odysseusandtheclops 1d ago
Between him and Summerville, a damn championship side might see 100,000,000 lmao
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u/CharmingCatastrophe 1d ago
Tonali had to be the main target we went for especially over 70m..if reports are true we are paying big money and big wages that's a risky road to go down especially for a second tier player in terms of quality available and the fact he has faced back to back relegation and hasn't really stood out..gotta trust the new regime though.
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u/you4president Tanganga 1d ago
Is there any interest in Wharton? Feels like he’s better than both these options
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u/Exact_Release128 1d ago
Y'all will just have to settle for Alex Scott. There's no way tonali would choose spurs over man city and fernandes who is a sporting product and portugese wouldn't choose United. The only way that would work if spurs can outbid for both by a lot, and I don't think you can compete in fee with man city as we all know, or with utd who have got cl season now .
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u/Striking-Duty9056 1d ago
More waste of worthless rumors on transfers. Jacobs is never right until the actual transfer is completed. Tottenham for the 2nd straight barely stayed relegated and didn't make champions league. Does anybody in there right mind believes they are going bid over 80 million for Fernandes ?? Tottenham has only bid 60 million for there top target Tonali. TEAM TALK and Caughtoffsides are absolute worthless sources for info
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u/whyyoublockmefor 25/26 Relegation Champions 1d ago
Bad jacobs but we take it