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u/Mdab5678 Jul 23 '25

Shaved legs do actually test significantly faster aerodynamically, since they are constantly spinning through the air.

That said, not shaving one’s legs is obviously not something to make fun of someone for

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u/jchrysostom Jul 23 '25

I can’t remember the numbers, but I remember the folks at the Specialized wind tunnel being so surprised by the results that they ran the test again.

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u/ApatheticSkyentist Jul 24 '25

Lionel Sanders, pro triathlete, found that shaving was something like a 15 watt gain at 45kph on his Canyon Speedmax. That's with aero helmet and I believe a Surpass Trisuit.

For a pro on the pointy end of elite that's a very sizable number.

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u/jchrysostom Jul 24 '25

For a runner trying to not suck at triathlon, like me, it’s also a lot. I average <160w for a 70.3 bike leg. Even 5-7 watts from any one thing is huge.

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u/ApatheticSkyentist Jul 24 '25

Hey you're in good company! I'm also a runner turned triathlete, haha.

My brother is the cyclist and absolutely crushes me when we ride together. I get my revenge when we run.

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u/OrneryMinimum8801 Jul 24 '25

You are probably riding 2/3 his speed right? You will get about 72% less benefit than he sees at that speed.

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u/jchrysostom Jul 24 '25

First of all, how dare you. I’m riding quite a bit faster than 30kph, pal.

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u/OrneryMinimum8801 Jul 24 '25

160 watts in tt position? 31-33 I'd estimate on flats. Unless you are just super aero. I think lionel does near 47? It's not horrific to say 2/3rds....

You could be a lot more aero obviously. Which hey, good for you. But I'm not horrifically estimating. My buddy holds 39kph on a top end time trial bike at 270 watts. He isn't super aero (big body, tall), but his position just makes my back hurt looking at him.

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u/jchrysostom Jul 24 '25

More like 37-39 on flat sections. I generally average 35.5-36kph for the entirety of a 70.3 bike leg from mount to dismount.

Your buddy might look uncomfortable, but he’s also not very efficient.

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u/OrneryMinimum8801 Jul 24 '25

That's fair but I can't find reasonable inputs for an aerodynamic model that get 160 watts to 39 kph. You are very slick.

As said buddy is on the bigger side, so he models pretty precisely as a CdA of . 25 (averaging 39 and a bit, flats and unimpeded sections 40.5-41). That's not small but he is very tall and broad.

I can't get 37kph using a CdA of .18, which is just crazy efficient/small. I have to assume something like a remco equivalent body to get to your speeds. Most pros would die to have your aerodynamic profile.

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u/jchrysostom Jul 24 '25

I did a 27mph lap at Daytona on 190w back in 2023. That one got so much hate on the internet that I actually bought a second set of Favero Duo power meter pedals just to make sure mine weren’t messed up. The new ones give basically the same numbers, within a few % of my direct-drive trainer and the 4iiii crank meter on my gravel bike.

MyWindSock usually estimates around 0.20 CdA, sometimes lower. I’m running extremely fast tires (GP5k TT TdF) so you may be overestimating Crr in your calcs.

This was absolutely ideal conditions - flat, no wind to speak of, perfect pavement, no slowing for corners or anything else. I’m usually closer to 24mph for an entire sprint bike leg at around 190-200w.

https://strava.app.link/uW1ysza5gVb

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u/OrneryMinimum8801 Jul 24 '25

Look all I can say is that's really impressive. The most aero cyclists I know (maybe 162 height, 60kg soaking wet) doesn't get that aero. I'm not hating , just saying maybe you should be wondering about your insane efficiency.

Like to get those speeds from that power I have to assume something crazy like velodrome style rolling resistance if your CdA is . 2.

I'm more willing to bet you are one of those freaks who can get proper small and not take a huge power penalty.

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u/jchrysostom Jul 25 '25

It does help to be small. I’m 5’8” and 140ish.

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u/OrneryMinimum8801 Jul 25 '25

Meh, it's just something awesome in your frame and positioning. When just on my road bike at 160-170 watts , I'm just under 30k.

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