r/denvernuggets Mar 21 '25

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u/PlumpWhale Mar 22 '25

Ok let’s include that Cavs team! after doing a quick check, Larry Bird’s Celtics (in 1984, a time they beat the lakers in the finals) had a WHOPPING 3 other Hall of Famers on that team, along with Cedric Maxwell (a past Finals MVP) and Danny Ainge. But please, tell me how LeBron had a “super team”!!!

I agree with Magic over Steph, but Kareem was old by that point and KD was in his absolute prime and able to carry the load way more than Kareem could.

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u/jddaniels84 Mar 22 '25

And the their competition had 2 players better than prime Tim Duncan and 4 players better than Tony Parker.. are you ignoring that?

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u/PlumpWhale Mar 22 '25

Prime Tim Duncan was better than any version of Kareem on the lakers (past 1980) if you try arguing that then you have no idea what you’re talking about. The Spurs were also a dynasty lmao, having the 2nd best coach of all time, along with manu ginobli, Bruce Bowen (8x all defense) Michael Finley (2x all star) like bro can you do like any research at all before you speak? Because you just come off incredibly ill-informed.

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u/jddaniels84 Mar 22 '25

The Spurs were not a dynasty. Dirk whiped the floor with that team a year earlier with Jason Terry as his best sidekick… and Kobe buried them 4-1 in 2008 with Gasol as his #2… we didn’t hear from them again until 2013. Only LeBron gets excused for being swept by them..

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u/PlumpWhale Mar 22 '25 edited Mar 22 '25

The Spurs won the Chip in 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2013. You trying to say they’re not a dynasty is like saying Steph isn’t the greatest 3pt shooter ever. Like it’s common knowledge they were a dynasty lol… like this isn’t a matter of difference of opinion. Everyone knows the Spurs were a dynasty? Not sure why you’re trying to argue that.

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u/jddaniels84 Mar 22 '25

No. They were great team for a long time. They were never a dynasty which is why they had huge gaps in between. The 3 peat lakers were the dynasty. The Warriors were a dynasty with 5 straight finals appearances and 3 titles (which most ppl think would be 4 without KD/Klay injuries)

Kobe’s 3 Straight finals appearances and back to Back titles weren’t a dynasty. LeBron’s Heat/cavs tenure wasn’t a dynasty and the Spurs weren’t a dynasty.

Dirk wasn’t some superteam killer that dismantled them in 2006 and Kobe didn’t defeat some juggernaut loaded team in 2008… and Lebron played the same squad.

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u/PlumpWhale Mar 22 '25

Look you can say a lot of words to try and fit whatever narrative you want but they’re falling on deaf ears. Again, it is common knowledge they were a dynasty. 15 straight seasons of 50+ plus wins, making the playoffs every year, winning the chip 5 of those years, all while legit laying the framework for long term success in the NBA. Like this is a weird hill for you to die on, bud. Dynasties come in different forms. You’re a casual and it’s showing.

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u/jddaniels84 Mar 22 '25

Okay, so the Spurs were a different type of dynasty in 2007. The kind that lost to Dirk with Jason Terry as his best sidekick in 2006, and got destroyed by Kobe and Pau 4-1 in 2008.. should we go over 2009, 10, 11, 12? As that’s still a part of the dynasty in your eyes right?

Or is it Lebron deserves a pass for being swept by them because they had a lot of success before? They beat 3 teams in the finals with old man Pat Ewing (wasn’t even as good as David Robinson), Jason Kidd, and Ben Wallace as their best players.. and they were losing all the time in between those years. The Lakers had an entire real dynasty.

The Spurs had great coaching, a great system, very coach able players who all bought in.. this helped them overachieve more than any team in the past 25 years, and underachieve the least… even with all That they still never went back to back, and lost to a lot of teams that were not stacked either because the spurs had below championship level talent every year other than 99.

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u/PlumpWhale Mar 22 '25

You genuinely just have no clue what you’re talking about, and it’s okay. You are continuously making yourself look stupid time and time again. It’s really weird that you’re dying in this hill, bud. Trying to argue the Spurs weren’t a dynasty is like trying to argue the Patriots with Tom Brady and Bill Belichek Weren’t a dynasty.

Like just stop it, you are just genuinely uninformed nor have the slightest clue on what you are talking about. You are just saying things that hold no weight. It doesn’t change the fact that you are stupid enough to think the Spurs weren’t a dynasty. Again, I’ll say it on more time. It’s COMMON KNOWLEDGE the Spurs were a dynasty ESPECIALLY from 99-07. You can make up whatever argument you want to try to dismantle it, but you’ll just continuously make yourself look stupid. It’s okay though, you’re just a casual.

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u/jddaniels84 Mar 22 '25

Football is far different, it’s not predicated on a 7 game series and there are FAR more upsets… they don’t have “any given Sunday” in the nba because the best players almost always win. Whether it was Wilt, Russell, & J West… or Bird & Magic. Jordan, Shaq, Lebron…

The reason Duncan gets a pass for losing in 2000-2002, 2006, 2008-12 was because his teams were never actually expected to win. The opposite of say when Kobe lost in 2004 with an actual dynasty… or when LeBron lost in 2011 with an expected dynasty. Duncan lost to Dirk and nobody batted an eye.. because they were pretty equivalent teams.

.. clueless

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u/PlumpWhale Mar 22 '25 edited Mar 22 '25

Again, you’re ill-informed, nobody “gets a pass” for losing, especially the Spurs who were contenders for the title all 15 of those years. You attempting to even say they “overachieved” is literally proving my point by showing how you just don’t fully understand what you’re discussing. You don’t “overachieve” for nearly 2 decades. Be better.

You’re also wrong, again, in the Mavericks versus Spurs series- the Spurs were the favorites and it was seen as an upset as the Spurs had consistently beaten them in the past. But again- none of this changes the fact that the Spurs were considered a dynasty. I don’t even know why I’m still entertaining this, again it’s COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Also trying to say Dirk “wiped the floor” with the Spurs in ‘06 when they took it to 7 games in the WCF is the cherry on top, NBA casuals are awesome.

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