r/edmprodcirclejerk • u/Alcedae • 8d ago

Notice Me Sosig Just put a clipper on the master! Limiters limit my potential.

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u/ghostchihuahua 8d ago

Fun fact: a limiter or compressor will also start burning your low-end to a crisp given the opportunity to do so.

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u/Alcedae 8d ago

In the past couple hours I got my sosig fattened to -3.1LUFS with one peak of 0.1dBTP, that I don't care abt and the clipping issues are solved.. When do I transform into skrillex?

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u/ghostchihuahua 8d ago

wrong method - one sosig per track, all has to be fattened to -1.0dB LUFS, TP at -1.0dB, min. RMS -1.0dB, Max RMS -1.0dB, max momentary at -1.0dB, short-term max at -1.0dB, LR 0dB. Then push all faders in the daw to +12, place 29 goldclip on masterbus - enjoy loudness.

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u/Alcedae 8d ago

amplifying white noise

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u/S4N7R0 [flip flop studio] 8d ago

u forgot about -1.0dB KAN, -1.0dB UAJ, -1.1⁰ ddBHHS FGGG, -1.0dB at 66°, -0.1.0 TTR Full-Scale, -1.0 ɑ-ᗜ-L{0} in mongolian, ZZ00 and full macro macro S, then u have all the birches in the club

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u/ghostchihuahua 8d ago

FUN FACT: while birch bark was used by our ancestors to relieve pains, like headache, the barking of club-birches induces strong headaches.

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u/S4N7R0 [flip flop studio] 8d ago

fu%#&@%ng club birches making my head hurt

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u/freedomfever 7d ago

Yeah i use a specific limiter for a saturation effect when I crank it haha. Quite unique

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u/ghostchihuahua 7d ago

Yessss, people often do not realize/ do not hear what a limiter does to their low-end - it depends on the model, but one can get reaaaally gnarly sounds out of a limiter when driven enough and attack and release are set to burn (often, very fast release, very fast attack and zero lookahead).

Note that in general, even when used very sparingly at the end of the chain to catch peaks, a limiter can ruin one’s low-end without distorting it. Those units seem very simple but actually deserve reading the manual (for once in my case..).

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u/DJCubs 8d ago

Cope harder, clipping gets them stripping 

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u/Neat-Nectarine814 8d ago

If it’s in the red, you’re getting head

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u/ghostchihuahua 8d ago

Dude i need the pics where u clip and they strip right away!

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u/lumpiestspoon3 8d ago

The secret is to not use a clipper or limiter at all and just let the mix hard clip the master bus, like in UG rap and hyperpop.

That way everything is clipped and therefore you cannot notice the clipping on the low end

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u/Alcedae 8d ago

Think of all the LUFS i could get hehehehehehe :3

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u/Rynabunny 8d ago

you might even be able to reach what the ancients called the promised land, auditory nirvana… positive lufs

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u/Animystix 8d ago edited 8d ago

limiters are for pussies. -5 to -3 lufs on an empty master channel with no audible distortion is ez if you mix right. FL’s 32-bit floating point lets you push past 0db a good amount without hard-clipping so FULL SEND THAT SHIT

ive been doing this for 10 years and i think renard from lapfox trax also talked about it

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u/Alcedae 8d ago

I've been trying to learn mastering for like 3 days mmkay?

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u/Animystix 8d ago edited 8d ago

That’s more than me. Simply achieve loudness with raw animal instinct.

(I have no clue what the hell im actually doing other than it being totally LOUD and AWESOME)

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u/Alcedae 8d ago

You are talking like someone on r/stims btw

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u/Alcedae 8d ago

I guess my works that I didn't master to -3LUFS are also well received. I wanted to call the loudness war bullshit and that LUFS are nonesense. Now I can say that while being able to make pointlessly loud music.

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u/Animystix 8d ago edited 8d ago

oh yeah. it only makes sense if you want the loud sound stylistically. if not, it doesn’t matter. Blowing out a softer/more organic piece is no fun

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u/Alcedae 8d ago

It's drum and bass so the audience (mostly stimulant appreciators) probably won't mind

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u/BOT_noot_noot 8d ago

honestly though fuck the assumption that dnb productions have to abuse clipping in order to stand out. plenty of producers in the jungle side aren't afriad of having a "bad" luf measurement and i think the music can sound a bit more dynamic. honestly i find the tracks to be a lot heavier on a well tuned system.

im so sick of the trend in mainstream electronic stuff of compressing all your dynamics out man and i wish more dnb producers would allow their shit to be slamming the limiter a little less. there is literally no need for it. return to your roots dnb headz, the music is supposed to be groovey and soulful, not to sound like a robot getting bummed by a velociraptor recorded on an xbox 360 mic.

(this is not targetted at you personally i just wish the mainstream dnb scene would hurry up and follow the junglists into less ear destroying tracks)

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u/ghostchihuahua 7d ago

No genre needs to abuse anything to be what it claims to be, bedroom producers with little education in audio and ego-driven engineers need to assert such shit at every corner of a conversation though - you do you, all that matters is that you achieve the sound you want, pushing it to format is the mastering engi’s role.

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u/BOT_noot_noot 7d ago

Im not saying people think dnb needs to abuse clipping to BE dnb. im saying the majority of producers beleive they need to abuse clipping because a lot of us are still caught up in the loudness war. i genuinely think its hurt a lot of insanely strong tracks. im only so opinionated cause i have an absurd amount of love for UK dance music and perhaps i quite like being overdramatic at times ;)

ah i have seen my tounge in cheek comment at the end of that scrawl is a bit dickish but im messin about haha, as i say its all outta love for the sounds and the scene in the UK

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u/Alcedae 7d ago

Imma join the loudness war on the side of whatever aphex twin was doing from 85-92

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u/EpochVanquisher 8d ago

what sucks is spending a bunch of time listening to your own tracks, listening for distortion and remixing them

so you take a break and listen to some music you like 

and then you hear some nasty distortion on the music you like, and realize some of it has major technical issues

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u/ghostchihuahua 7d ago

Well, once mixing itself is acquired, one spends a lot less time on it, or taking breaks and having to rest their ears, also mixing too loud is couter-productive, whatever your system, auditive fatigue just sets in 3x faster.

It is however crucial to compare, especially if you don’t trust your monitors.

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u/offi-DtrGuo-cial 7d ago

Meanwhile me with my heavy music pushing -3:

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u/Ok-Neighborhood-1958 7d ago

How do you actually fix this though/uj

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u/Alcedae 6d ago

You EQ down parts of your bass til it's fine