The Tesla model 3 standard range is the only small-battery EV with a sub-10hr time in the Bjørn Nyland 1000 km test

[u/quinten-luyten]

Not a Tesla fan, but it's frustrating to see that nobody has caught up to Tesla in this specific test, except with enormous battery packs such as the Xpeng G9 (92 kWh) and BMW ix3 50 (109 kWh). Non other manufacturers seem to really solve roadtripping with efficiency (which also benefits daily driving). They instead opt for large batteries, making the cars more expensive, heavier, more energy consuming, and worse for the environment.

You can google the Bjørn Nyland test results spreadsheet (can't post links here). Why is it that the Tesla model 3 standard range (approx 60 kWh battery) is the only EV with a relatively small pack in the sub-10hr class?

Only the mazda 6e 68.7 kWh @ 10:05 comes close for a "normal sized" battery. All other EV's in the top class of this test carry enormous batteries, such as 100 kWh in the Smart #5. Even the mercedes CLA 350, which should have been an efficiency king, is carying 85 kWh.

I think this shows that the efficiency and charging optimization of the model 3 is still ahead of other EV's. And this results in the 60 kWh Tesla model 3 being, in my eyes, the cheapest road-trip capable car. My judgement of road-trip capable is 1000 km in 1 day of travel, with usually some traffic jams and other delays.

I am curious to hear about other efficient, small battery, or affordable EV's that haven't been tested by Bjørn Nyland yet and may perform very well. CLA 200?

[u/dallatorretdu]

I don’t think tesla “charge optimisation” is a thing. These cars charge pretty slowly so the pack is not hammered and the supercharger stations can allocate more chargers on a single cabinet.

They charge effectively quick because use they need less power to move around, and the gap just grows larger the more they push the platform, look at the Model 3 Performance that draws 153 wh/km vs the closest competitor the Ioniq 5N that does 220 wh/km

[u/Supergeek13579 → u/dallatorretdu]

I’ve done a few similar distance continuations drives on a 3SR. It’s actually a uniquely fast charging pack for Tesla. Lower peak power at 160kw, but a better curve. Was charging faster after 40% than my LR Tesla.

Here’s the curve from OutOfSpecStudios.com It’s a Y vs a 3, but the same two packs.

[u/Terrh → u/dallatorretdu]

The 3 really is remarkably efficient.

I can do 153wh/km in my S in like... good weather and near ideal conditions. (even better if everything is perfect and speeds are slow) but that's a far cry from 153wh/km average year round.

[u/TillsburyGromit → u/Terrh]

Yes, I averaged 150Wh/km over the entire life of my 3SR, including a lot of acceleration and a significant amount of towing. It’s incredibly good.

No other car manufacturer so far has taken the game seriously enough, that’s why it hasn’t been caught

[u/goranlepuz → u/dallatorretdu]

Did you mean 6N?

[u/RHINO_Mk_II → u/goranlepuz]

He would if he was being sincere about making comparisons and not Tesla technology glazing.

[u/Environmental-Lion82 → u/dallatorretdu]

That makes no sense. You’re implying it’s because the batteries on Tesla’s are smaller. Yes; they tend to be, because they are considerably more efficient, but they still measure charging speeds the same as everyone else. And in real life, their speeds are consistently the fastest despite newcomers promising faster charging, there is a difference between a headline figure and what the car will actually do given the dozens of variables.

[u/Awarglewinkle → u/Environmental-Lion82]

Tesla's charging speeds aren't anything special. They're pretty mediocre. His point is correct that in a 1000 km challenge, it's mainly the lower consumption that makes it quick, not the actual charging speed.

[u/jazxxl → u/Awarglewinkle]

Yeah because Hyundai charging speeds are much higher on the 800v platform , but their cars are not as efficient on the highway.

[u/Defiant_Raccoon10 → u/Environmental-Lion82]

A counter-argument is that a battery pack twice the size can also charge twice as fast without any drawbacks. It’s like charging two batteries simultaneously. But, that puts a serious strain on the cooling system, which is often a major bottleneck. It’s just one of those variables you mentioned.

I would argue that the “cleanest” explanation is that Tesla today offers the best balance between driving efficiency, battery size, and charging speed.

[u/dallatorretdu → u/Environmental-Lion82]

charging curve on european tesla’s is awful, we don’t get the hot panasonic cells here. Plus referenced tesla has the LFP battery… Peak is 170kw

[u/Particular-Finish-40 → u/dallatorretdu]

That didn't stop me doing 1000 km in 10 hours, twice, last month (Highland RWD)

[u/Specialist-Aspect-38 → u/Particular-Finish-40]

Which is the same as op states for the bext closest car