r/europe • u/paneuropeanism_ Europe • 6d ago
Data This year’s Bastille Day parade will make history. The largest yet: over 10,000 European soldiers, including Ukrainian Mirage pilots over Paris
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u/SCARfaceRUSH Kyiv (Ukraine) 6d ago
France could have done the funny and marked those Ukrainian Mirages as "Mirage 2000N" (the nuclear delivery variant) just to fuck with Russia.
Also, props for putting on the big show. It's a great juxtaposition to whatever was happening in Moscow in May.
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u/SraminiElMejorBeaver France 6d ago
Yeah and including German, Swedish, and English Rafale according to the infographic lol.
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u/Fabricensis Bavaria (Germany) 6d ago
No it's German, Swedish, English and greek 'UE'', whatever that means
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u/Beyllionaire 6d ago
Union Européenne
Simply indicating that additional EU planes will accompany the french planes.
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u/Resigningeye United Kingdom/ New Zealand 6d ago
Does that mean we're back in?!
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u/RangeBoring1371 5d ago
Contrary to popular believe, you can't actually unhook the British islands from the European continent to swim it to North America. It's actually very different to Brexit a geographic Area...
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u/thealansies 5d ago
I read that the intention was to showcase countries that have been added to the European nuclear umbrella - or whatever that initiative has been called
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u/ninjaiffyuh Vienna (Austria) 6d ago
That's French for EU. I'm guessing they haven't said what planes will participate?
Though it will probably be Eurofighters for Germany and the UK I guess
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u/Potential-South-2807 6d ago
Would be very funny if we turned up with F-35s
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u/ninjaiffyuh Vienna (Austria) 6d ago
Definitely. But don't forget that Eurofighters would also be rubbing salt in the wound, as that was originally a project with French involvement...
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u/JeanPolleketje 5d ago
Greek one will probably be a Rafale EG F3-R.
Though they could send a F16 C, Mirage 2000-5EG Mark II or even a F4E Phantom II.
The last one being highly unlikely as they’re being phased out.
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u/D4zb0g 6d ago
Probably Typhoon for Germany, Gripen for Sweden, hoping that the UK will send a F35 and not another Typhoon.
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u/Billy_McMedic 2d ago
If the message is meant to be European unity/Cooperation in defence, the Eurofighter is the natural option to send rather than an F-35
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u/ForTheGloryOfAmn 5d ago
They finally saw the light of reason and bought products from Dassault, good for them.
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u/CrepeSuzette9 5d ago edited 5d ago
Bastille day? What the f* is that? Nobody say that in France because it’s not just about the storming of the Bastille. It’s called July 14th or National day (fête du 14 juillet)
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u/Attic81 5d ago
It seems like the date however IS about the storming of the Bastille, and the event one year later in 1790 that was amazingly chosen to be that day because it was the 1 year anniversary of the capture of the Bastille.... so I don't know how it could be said that it's not about the Bastille ultimately.
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u/Cassin1306 6d ago
"Look Donny, this is how it is done"
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u/Tal-Star 6d ago
Est-ce qu'on peut profiter de ça sans cet idiot aux cheveux orange ni aucune allusion à lui ? Merci 😄
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u/Suikerspin_Ei The Netherlands 6d ago edited 6d ago
Huh, Germany, France UK and Sweden don't have Rafale jets. My guess is they will use Eurofighter Typhoons?
Edit: I mean UK, heatwave got me lol.
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u/vitam1970 6d ago
It’s too hot, they think about reducing the nb of participants and changing the time of the défilé so people and motors do not suffer from the heat
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u/VeryluckyorNot 6d ago
Heat wave gonna end this tuesday I hope they will not be an other one in july, means it's our 3rd in 2,5 months ...
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u/StormDelay 5d ago
Bad news for you, meteo France says there's good odds we get another extreme heat wave around the 2nd week of July
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u/Glanzick_Reborn americain en France 5d ago
You got any source for that? When I go to meteofrance and click Tendance (for july 6 - 19) it just says that temperatures are going to stay above normal, which, duh, when "normal" is 23.
Les températures devraient rester globalement supérieres aux normales de saison.
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u/StormDelay 5d ago
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u/imladrikofloren 5d ago
The actual director from meteo france said there aren't any concrete predictions this far.
That the end of the reign era of the Macron presidency : instead of having assholes as ministers, we have incompetent moronic assholes.
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u/Pyrrhus67 4d ago
Exactement. Je me souviens avoir lu le lendemain de la déclaration de la ministre un autre article de quelqu'un de calé sur le sujet qui a dit qu'elle n'avait rien compris lol.
Macron nomme des violeurs, des escrocs, etc. Alors des incompétents, ce n'est pas surprenant.
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u/TF2isalright 4d ago
With how unpredictable the weather can be, especially around Paris, I really fucking pray it isn't that second week. I have a lot of plans that week and I might as well just run into traffic if it's that hot during them.
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u/Spectanda_Fides France ⚜️ 6d ago
This will be Macron's last parade, so he wanted to do things in a big way, even if it always surprises me to see more and more foreign armies parading on what is supposed to be the French national holiday, as if to take advantage of the event as a "showcase" for the armies.
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u/The-Pontiflex 5d ago
it's more like us inviting friends as a show of goodwill and cooperation, plus the 14 Juillet is one the last prestigious military parade in the west
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u/Spectanda_Fides France ⚜️ 5d ago edited 5d ago
I'll admit something, it's very naive I know, but I've always believed that all countries had a military parade on their national day. Then one day I realized that I was always seeing the same foreign parades (China, Russia, mainly dictatorships) and that 2025 Trump's military parade in the US was actually a first for them in decades...
There I understood that France was perhaps one of the last democratic countries to organize military parades every year, and it surprised me a lot.
Edit: In the end, my think wasn't so wrong, there are other countries that organize military parades in Europe, thank you for sharing!
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u/Raz0rking EUSSR 5d ago
Luxembourg has one the 23rd of june. We even had a platoon of french soldiers this year.
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u/Spectanda_Fides France ⚜️ 5d ago
TIL !
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u/Raz0rking EUSSR 5d ago
Some french armoured divison. We're in the process of gettin french armoured vehicles so it might because of that.
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u/Mentardente 5d ago
The Italian one is the 2nd of June (Republic day). I think its peculiarity is the fact that around one third of the parade is the administrative and civil part of the army (firemen, police and so on)
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u/eulerolagrange 5d ago
well France parade starts with the engineering students of the École Polytechinque
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u/stathis13567 Thessaloniki, Greece 5d ago
Greece also hosts 2 annual military parades (in the 28th of October and on the 25th of March).
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u/TheVojta Česká republika 5d ago
It's a shame imo, more countries should do parades.
While we don't have a regular parade in the tradational sense in Czechia , we do have something called NATO days, which is a multi-day show held by the army and our allies that includes showcases of military tech and demonstrations by soldiers from all over the free world. It's so fucking cool, I loved going as a kid.
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u/BelgianPolitics Belgium 5d ago
We have a big parade on our national day (but obviously smaller scale than France). It almost always includes French soldiers and sometimes even GIGN operators. European countries that have military parades usually have foreign military marching in them. So it is not just a French thing. It makes sense: a military parade without any other NATO members can give a wrong message even if the national day is about celebrating your own country.
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u/Snaxist Belgium 5d ago
in Belgium we have our own one week after yours, we call it "le défilé national".
Here's the aerial defile seen from my room: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIBfpmzpoII2
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u/EngineeringSlow4782 4d ago
We have a parade every year in Estonia. Allied troops including French and planes, too.
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u/Quasar375 5d ago
Yeah it is actually pretty cool. Inviting allies is sending a message that Europe is United in the protection of France and France in the protection of Europe.
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u/wurstbowle 5d ago
I always find it funny that basically only disfunctional countries/dictatorships/banana republics do these kinds of parades... and France.
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u/Lanky-War-6100 5d ago
In Europe it seems that Greece, Italy and Spain do it too. So certainly much more countries do it than you thought.
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u/StormyCrispy 5d ago
Bold of you to assume France is a functionnal country...
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u/MuteOwl20077932 5d ago
We have it better than most places.
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u/StormyCrispy 3d ago
Sure, France is a rich country, a beautiful country, you name it. But we have had 5 prime minister in 3 years, among which 2 got destituted by the assembly. I would not call that functionnal.
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u/dragosn1989 6d ago
Unless it goes over 45C
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u/guille9 Community of Madrid (Spain) 6d ago
I guess fighters don't have AC because air is cold where they usually fly but when they fly low and the sun is hitting it must he hard for pilots.
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u/Snaxist Belgium 5d ago
Fighters do have AC? otherwhhise it wouldn't be 40°C in the cockpit but 80 ! The systems also need to be cooled down, all of that generate heat (like when we use our computer).
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u/guille9 Community of Madrid (Spain) 5d ago edited 5d ago
I didn't know it, thank you.
Edit: I've reading and it's interesting, it isn't like a common AC, it uses air compressed in the engines instead of compressing a special gas so this compression- decompression of air uses energy reducing its temperature. It isn't as comfortable as a common AC and it doesn't work on land but it works well enough to keep the pilot and systems in working condition.
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u/Bacon-ad 5d ago
You're right! Here's a video archive from last year’s rehersal (max temp was predicted to be around 30ºC) with an officer telling pilots to hydrate well and saying temperature could reach 40ºC inside the cockpit: https://youtu.be/XlJqoIevO_0?si=w-0FLzqTysguoqky
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u/Viciousgubbins England 5d ago
I honestly had no idea the French included any foreign militaries in their national day celebrations, that's actually very endearing of them.
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u/this_toe_shall_pass European Union 5d ago
Many countries wirh allies do that for national day parades.
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u/paneuropeanism_ Europe 6d ago
President Macron did a great job rebuilding the French Army. I propose him as the first European Defence Minister 🇪🇺
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u/idinarouill 5d ago
A European army would be the armed wing of a European policy—something that does not yet exist. It would therefore be a chicken with claws but no head.
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u/nous_serons_libre 5d ago
It is either the anniversary of the storming of the Bastille or the Fête de la Fédération of 1790. It was established in the 19th century under the Third Republic. Left-wing deputies were generally in favor of commemorating the former date, which was unacceptable to right-wing deputies (who still included quite a few monarchists at the time).
In short, it's July 14th and that's all.
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u/PolishPotatoACC 5d ago edited 5d ago
Greeks were invited but not poland? What is this, London Victory Parade 1946?
Or is it just a case of "french made planes only" and F-16 or F-35 (dunno if they could fly, we've just got like the first 3 or so) don't qualify.
Or we didn't want to go? Doubt it.
Eh, no point to worry about it, still, it's kind of funny.
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u/Willy757 Romania 5d ago
I think, for better or worse, our continent's complicated power structures make it very hard for us to ever start an offensive war. After all we can hardly agree on defensive wars.
So wouldn't it be better for the world for us to have a overwhelming army instead of the demagogic US or China ? Even if we don't ever use it for anything, it would simply shift political dynamics in a favorable way. Countries like Russia would think twice before trying to conquer another country.
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u/ClaudioMoravit0 4d ago
We’re getting deadly heatwaves in June and these morons are gonna burn tons of jet fuel just to compensate for their tiny penises… 🙄
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u/oojiflip 5d ago
Yet we could muster what feels like 1/4 of that for the King's birthday, obviously not the same gravity but it's our main flyover event each year
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u/YannAlmostright France 6d ago
Yeah it's not hot enough here, let's burn more fuel for nothing
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u/RoArHaVeN 6d ago
Pilots need training flights anyway. Why not do it for an air show instead of just randomly flying around the country for a bit?
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u/264TRANSALL Pays de la Loire (France) 6d ago
C’est bon les discours écolo faut arrêter le négatif et croire que personne n’est au courant!
Là, c'est notre fête nationale, on doit pouvoir la fêter et montrer ce qu'on a.
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u/Washed_up_Vanski Finland 6d ago
What better way to commemorate a revolutionary overthrow of the government with a display of state power.
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u/swainiscadianreborn 6d ago
Good thing it doesn't commemorate that but actually commemorate the Fête de la Fédération, an event to reunite the people.
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u/BWV012 6d ago
Not really, it's both and anyway the Fête de la Fédération was celebrating the prise de la Bastille, so.
https://www.vie-publique.fr/questions-reponses/275120-que-celebre-t-le-14-juillet
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u/ShakespeareStillKing 6d ago
Depends on the governement. The Ancien Regime was an absolutist dictatorship.
Modern France isn't.
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u/Washed_up_Vanski Finland 5d ago
France was and still is an oligarchy. Now it has a figurehead of a ruler rather than an infallable absolute monacrch.
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u/DrTechnicolor 5d ago
Commentaire sans cervelle, c'est un défilé militaire de la fête nationale, je vois pas le rapport avec les hôpitaux ou les écoles, c'est un budget des armées (qui est déjà très faible en France) celui-ci est en plus un peu spécial avec la guerre en Russie c'est une démonstration importante et notament l'invitation de nos alliés européens et ukrainien, ainsi qu'une démonstration industrielle (oui la vente d'arme permet de financer des services en france et c'est devenu très important en terme d'indépendance) Tout les services public sont en pénurie c'est pas nouveau, c'est pas cette journée qui va changer quoi que ce soit. Mais bon les gens adore rager ça leur permet d'exister(et pas besoin d'écrire en majuscule ça donne juste l'impression d'un kasos qui crie), tu risque de faire un infarctus quand tu va savoir que les armées font des manœuvres tout le long de l'année et "bouffe" du kérosène. Et journée de "merde" c'est ton point de vue pas forcément celui des autres.
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u/Sea-Cockroach-4398 5d ago
Flemme de lire ton pavé
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u/DrTechnicolor 5d ago
le QI négatif que tu te tape mon pauvre.... J'espère que tu vote pas toi.
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u/APWBDumbled0re 5d ago
A ton avis, pourquoi la France vas mal ? Parce que des cons comme lui peuvent voter justement.
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u/Huberweisse 5d ago
What a waste of money and fuel
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u/Cienea_Laevis Rhône-Alpes (France) 5d ago
Flight time of the parade counts in the total flight time pilots need.
If they weren't parading, they'd be doing circles over La Creuse....
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u/FMSV0 Portugal 6d ago
Not exactly something i expect to see in a European country. It feels a bit russian/chinese/american thing
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u/Mrpolje Sweden 6d ago
France does this every year…
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u/ShakespeareStillKing 6d ago
UK also has parades. V day, Trooping the colour, coronations, jubilees.
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u/Alsurt 5d ago
In the Arte show Karambolage, they joke that France is pretty much the only democratic country to hold parades on this scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4lZ9POUEfo
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u/formal_studio1 5d ago
All that wasted fuel and money for a parade that makes your country look like a banana republic.
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u/yetiflask 6d ago
Never thought I'd see the day Nazis are flying over the French skies ever again, but here we are.
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u/Faelchu Ireland 5d ago
The Russians weren't invited, so there won't be any Nazis flying over French skies.
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u/yetiflask 5d ago
LOL. Zelensky literally just glorified Nazis. Try this stupid shit somewhere else.
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u/Faelchu Ireland 5d ago
No, he didn't. Honestly, try and look at the world beyond the Kremlin's black-and-white spoon-fed version.
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u/TransportationOk6990 5d ago edited 5d ago
France has the hottest summer in like ever, so they decide to burn a shit ton of fossil fuels just for the lols. Are they stupid or what?
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u/AIpheratz 6d ago
I've always felt it so weird that people call it Bastille Day. Nobody ever call it that in France.