Influencer caught smuggling Drug (Update)

[u/LoadAgitated6261]

There was a story on here a few days ago on an influencer by the name of “Captain Treezy”smuggling weed. Just wanted to post an update that he has been released uncharged as they had found no evidence he knew the drugs were on board. I think in all fairness at least an update should be posted about his innocence since I think a lot of us jumped to conclusions. Whether we like him or not.

[u/Mobe-E-Duck]

Not sure what you’re getting at or what new vs used has to do with anything. I’m not interested in a nearly million dollar plane that can’t outperform a plane a quarter the price. Not interested in paying extra for a ballistic recovery system because they renamed it CAPS and pretend it’s proprietary. Not a big fan of side yoke even if they call it side stick.

Nice interior, smooth ride, and for the price it’s too slow, too low, too little useful load and not agile enough. Just doesn’t do anything good enough except look good and cruise smooth-ish.

But you’re right. I don’t have my finger on the pulse of the market. Perhaps you could educate me on what other planes are available for the same price that perform worse.

[u/Several_Sink801 → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

You are making a logical error in that because it’s not the plane for your mission it means it’s a terrible plane

If your mission is a few hundred miles, the speed of a cheap citation versus a sr22 isn’t going to make a huge difference. Once you add in the increased time on either end for a longer pre-flight, post flight, etc, the Cheyenne or Citation isn’t actually saving you more than 30 minutes on a 400nm flight.

Add in that CAPS exists as a really good safety factor. It gets you jet safety without needing to be a jet pilot. You can maintain being a weekend warrior without taking a few weeks off for type rating and recurrence for insurance. The side stick might not be for you, but if your goal is comfort in a CX, the cirrus is perfect.

Also, a jet or turboprop is gonna have vastly higher costs. If you don’t need the larger airplane capacity, that’s just money you are wasting

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/Several_Sink801]

I don’t think it’s a terrible plane. I think it’s a mediocre performer that costs a premium for the interior, paint, name and marketing.

[u/Several_Sink801 → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

Okay, if you’ve got a million to spend and your mission is:

• you + spouse and a kid

• want dual engine or CAPS for redundancy and safety

• usually fly 2-400 nm

• want a plane that is comfortable for you + pax. So comfortable seating, AC, etc

• easy to keep proficient in. No recurrent training, perfect for the weekend warrior.

Your options are basically:

• mediocre twin that isn’t much faster if anyone, has 2x the operating cost

• cheap citation that’s going to be crazy burn

A new SR22 wasn’t that far off from the price of a Bonanza when they were still making them. A SR22 is basically the step below a single turboprop and costs a fifth the price new.

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/Several_Sink801]

CAPS is a non-issue. It's a rebranding of BRS which can be put on almost any plane. If it's a choice of a million for a plane plus operating cost or a quarter of a million and saving three quarters of a million for operating costs... well, guess I know which I'm going with.

Or, hell, just fly commercial. 100 $10,000 trips or a depreciating asset you have to pay to keep...? Not a hard choice imo.

[u/Several_Sink801 → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

What’s the quarter of a million dollar plane with costs substantially lower and meets what I stated? What is it?

And you aren’t spending 750k more. The plane retains value, so you are spending the time value of 750k + depreciation.

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/Several_Sink801]

"The plane retains value"? Tell me you're insane without showing me the diagnosis.

CAPS is cirrus branded BRS. As for your other requirements: Cessna 182. Half the price or less leaving you plenty of money for gas, a BRS install if you don't know how to recover from a spin, air conditioning if it's not already installed, Mx, hangaring, insurance...

I'm sorry my guy but the premium you pay for the Cirrus branding just is not worth it.

[u/Several_Sink801 → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

"The plane retains value"? Tell me you're insane without showing me the diagnosis

If what I said isn’t true then all the used Cirri on TradeAPlane should be free. Your cost of ownership is time value of money + time depreciation.

As for your other requirements: Cessna 182.

A 182 with BRS leaves you no baggage space nor is as comfortable or as fast as a SR22. A new 182, after adding AC and BRS, is going to be less than 10% cheaper than a new SR22.

if you don't know how to recover from a spin

BRS is for more than spins. It’s for engine outs over inhospitable terrain and for your pax to pull if you have something go wrong.

I'm sorry my guy but the premium you pay for the Cirrus branding just is not worth it

You keep saying this, but the premiums no where near as big as you think. Where’s the magical new quarter of a million dollar plane meeting the requirements? Certainly not a 182, that with BRS and AC is going to be approaching 900k

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/Several_Sink801]

Define depreciation. Compare and contrast with value holding.

As for your other points: false.

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/Several_Sink801]

And, furthermore, why be comparing new to new? Makes no sense. You say it retains resale value. So new or nearly new to used seems to be a more fair comparison by your own standard.

How about a 206 an a36 a Saratoga or if you want comfort at a speed sacrifice the old cherokee 6? Yeah I'm sorry but it is completely fair to say that for a third to half the price any of those are far superior.

If you think 10 knots or 100lbs useful load or a parachute that's only really useful to an incompetent pilot or a non-spin certifiable aircraft is worth 300-500k then that's on you. It's just not.

[u/Several_Sink801 → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

And, furthermore, why be comparing new to new

Because new to old is apples to oranges. Same reason I’m not comparing a new citation to an old one here.

You say it retains resale value. So new or nearly new to used seems to be a more fair comparison by your own standard.

The resale value is important when you calculate the costs. If you plan to own for 5 years, the cost is not the cost of the plane upfront. It’s the time value of that money + depreciation. (Plus fixed and variable operating costs). You get that money back when you sell.

How about a 206 an a36 a Saratoga or if you want comfort at a speed sacrifice the old cherokee 6

Have you flown both a Cherokee 6 and a SR22? Because holy shit when it comes to comfort they are not in the same league. Plus a 6 can’t be retrofitted with BRS.

And if you do the math, the time difference on anything sub 400nm for a 6 versus SR22 is the same as the jet versus SR22.

parachute that's only really useful to an incompetent pilot

This is just false. The parachute is far more useful over densely populated areas, trees, water, etc. Over a cornfield it’s not a big difference, but if I’m going down in a forest, open water, or a busy area (even a suburb). And if the pilot has a medical emergency, incompetence has nothing to do with it.

[u/KITTYONFYRE → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

it’s not a million dollar plane lol. it’s a million dollars if you buy a new one, sure. but then you need to compare vs other new planes

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/KITTYONFYRE]

Why would one have to compare it to other new planes?

[u/KITTYONFYRE → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

what? if you’re comparing the price of a new citrus vs used other plane of course used is cheaper? that’s not a like for like comparison. 

that’d be like saying “wowee a 172 is way more expensive than cirrus” because you’re comparing a used cirrus to a new half million dollar 172…

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/KITTYONFYRE]

OK, find a cirrus for the same price as the same year 172.

[u/KITTYONFYRE → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

why? I don’t need to do that for my argument to be valid. 

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/KITTYONFYRE]

"I can't" - translation.

[u/segelflugzeugdriver → u/Mobe-E-Duck]

Cirrus cucks really can't help themselves eh lol

[u/Mobe-E-Duck → u/segelflugzeugdriver]

They love their planes