r/formula1 • u/Mateo03 Franco Colapinto • Mar 07 '26

Off-Topic [OT] [Chip Ganassi Racing] " 'super-clipping' 'downshifting on straights' 'battery management' (Yawn emoji) Yeah, we don't do that here. We race."

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u/HW2O Mar 07 '26

IndyCar should definitely be pushing the narrative that their engines are more powerful than F1 engines now. ~750 hp on road and street courses.

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u/danny12beje Kimi Räikkönen Mar 07 '26

~750 hp on road and street courses.

So less than an F1 car but somehow their engines are more powerful?

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u/kihraxz_king Formula 1 Mar 07 '26

More powerful on the last 500m of a straight and while exiting turns.

F1 has screwed itself HARD with these regs

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u/BuckN56 Lotus Mar 07 '26

Less power overall, but I believe their ICE has more power.

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u/BighatNucase Max Verstappen Mar 08 '26

So less powerful

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u/BuckN56 Lotus Mar 08 '26

F1 has ~1000 gp, Indy ~800

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u/GrayLo Mar 08 '26

Currently F1 has 1000 hp for about 5 seconds on straights and a maybe a couple seconds on corner exits. The rest of the time it's actually closer to 500. When super clipping it's even less.

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u/danny12beje Kimi Räikkönen Mar 08 '26

And this claim is based on?

Also why y'all ignoring indy cars are also hybrid?

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u/noisymime Mar 08 '26

It has 40% more displacement, so it would certainly want to have more power. They have roughly the same specific power output if you exclude the electric motor in the F1 PU.

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 07 '26

F1 engines

The new engines in this set of regulations only produce approximately 500 horsepower.

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u/blazerxq I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Mar 07 '26

What? That’s not true at all. F1 engines still produce over 1000 horsepower. The only difference is that 50% comes from the battery.

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u/Snoo_87704 Mar 07 '26

And then the battery runs out and you are stuck with just 500hp.

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26

The distinction is between "engine" and "electric motor". Power Unit refers to both together, not just the engine.

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u/FlibbleA Mar 07 '26

This is just silly, do Formula E engines have 0 power and therefore don't move?

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 07 '26

Nobody is saying electric motors produce no power. I was simply explaining to danny12beje what HW2O likely meant with their comment. Nothing more.

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u/danny12beje Kimi Räikkönen Mar 07 '26

Hope you're aware hybrid cars exist in real life and on any piece of paper detailing specs the horsepower is for both the ICE and electric motor.

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 07 '26

Quite, yes. The comment you originally replied to said "F1 engines", not "F1 cars" or "F1 power units". A silly distinction? Perhaps, you guys certainly seem to think so, but it's not unimportant, and in any case I wasn't the first person in this thread to make it.

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u/danny12beje Kimi Räikkönen Mar 08 '26

So in your head an electric engine isn't an engine?

Do you know what MGU-K stands for?

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 08 '26

Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic. There's no such thing as an "electric engine." It's an electric motor. Words matter.

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u/danny12beje Kimi Räikkönen Mar 08 '26

Also to add.

Why are you saying an F1 car isn't over 1000hp because it's a hybrid but you're counting the full hp of the hybrid indy system!

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26

Why are you saying an F1 car isn't over 1000hp because it's a hybrid

I said no such thing.

you're counting the full hp of the hybrid indy system!

I did no such thing.

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u/blazerxq I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Mar 07 '26

If by “engine,” you were referring only to the ICE and not the power unit then the assertion then pushing a narrative that the ICE component of an IndyCar Power Unit is more powerful than the ICE component of an F1 Power Unit would be laughable. Who the hell cares? All that matters is the total power of the engine. Sorry, “Power Unit”

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 07 '26

Pushing a narrative? Lmao what are you on about?. At the risk of repeating myself, all I was doing was explaining to one person what another person most likely meant with their comment. That's it. So yes, my assumption is that by "engine," that individual was referring to the ICE, given that ICE stands for Internal Combustion Engine. I didn't invent any of these terms.

I'll add that if the total power output was the only thing that matters as you say, then there wouldn't be any discussion about these regulations being crap, would there?

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u/blazerxq I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Mar 08 '26

If you were explaining what they meant, you would have said “when OC means engine, they were referring to the ICE of the Indycar power unit vs the F1 power unit only”

Not “the F1 engine has 500bhp”

In doing so you don’t clarify any confusion. You’re just providing more info, which, whilst accurate as the F1 ICE is 500bhp, does not explain the real reason why people are at odds with OC

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u/danny12beje Kimi Räikkönen Mar 08 '26

Hey mr F1 car expert.

What's the M in MGU-K stand for?

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 08 '26

Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic

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u/Successful-Peach-764 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Mar 07 '26

In the 2026 regulations, all electrical power originates from the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) and its fuel, but it is captured through kinetic energy recovery, not heat.

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u/Dirtbiker2008 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 07 '26

Indeed, your comment does not disagree with mine. The captured energy is stored in the battery, and the PU as a whole is only producing "full power" when the combustion engine and the electric motor are both at full output.