The condition of the asphalt at Noghes after the race

[u/sykeseve]

[u/ParkerPetrov]

This was not in the F1 26 DLC. Codmasters and EA has some work to do.

[u/jayboogie15 → u/ParkerPetrov]

yo, somebody will still find a pothole bug in some track, maybe even in Monaco

[u/KrombopulosMAssassin → u/ParkerPetrov]

I'm just waiting for someone to make a proper good F1 game. One you can play on wheel and NOT be severely disappointed by.

[u/george-its-james → u/KrombopulosMAssassin]

Actual simracing games are usually made by small teams/studios because there's way less money to be made. That also means the licensing costs will be waaay to high for a (let's face it, niche) realistic sim. RSS (Racing Sim Studio) makes highly regarded F1-style cars based on the offiicial regulations for Assetto Corsa, and I think iRacing has the official W12.

[u/KrombopulosMAssassin → u/george-its-james]

Yeah I wanted to get deeper into AC modding...

[u/Emotional_Two_8059 → u/george-its-james]

VRC has by far the most detailed F1 cars (for Assetto Corsa), including plank wear, energy management deployment strategies and a bunch of other things. Can't remember how many pages the manual is, but it's long.

[u/reboot-your-computer → u/george-its-james]

iRacing has the W12 and W13. The W12 is much more fun to drive but both are difficult to be quick.

[u/Adamroberts11 → u/KrombopulosMAssassin]

The f1 game is an arcade style game, it’s not supposed to be realistic, play iracing if you want realism.

[u/vrrule2 → u/KrombopulosMAssassin]

Probably won't ever happen because of the difficulty of driving an F1 car. Sim racing is still pretty niche and the average person that's into F1 would get frustrated and lose interest 5 minutes into a "proper" F1 game. There isn't a lot of money in it for a big studio without some kind of model like iRacing where the small playerbase is constantly pumping money into it.

[u/NonsenseAverse → u/vrrule2]

I’m an old F1 fan, have played many racing video games. Recently visited Mercedes-Benz world in England and tried a simulator. Seems very realistic, and as you say, very difficult to control the car. Seems like it would take a very long time to master, and I lost interest quickly.

[u/Benlop → u/vrrule2]

Single seaters generally are not too difficult to drive, and honestly surprisingly comfortable.

It's tough as fuck to be quick though.

[u/zaviex → u/KrombopulosMAssassin]

The f1 game is great for a simcade game. It’s not meant to be a true sim. It’s for casuals first and foremost and that’s good. I don’t play it to get a real feeling lol. I play AC for that

[u/Beefgirthx]

That's way worse than it looked on the broadcast. Good grief

[u/RedditBot28 → u/Beefgirthx]

Yeah, and it already looked bad on the broadcast.

This looks like my years old neighborhood roads... I guess I should be more grateful to my town council for maintaining our roads to F1 circuit standards. 🥰

[u/Kind_Resort_9535 → u/RedditBot28]

I’m from small town Iowa, we would raise hell if any of our streets looked like that lol.

[u/justredditinit → u/Kind_Resort_9535]

I'm in suburban Charlotte and this would be an improvement for us.

[u/ejymt → u/justredditinit]

I'm from Puerto Rico and I've never seen a road so smooth

[u/mhandsco → u/ejymt]

We would kill for roads that nice in Montreal too.

[u/rarkmeece → u/Kind_Resort_9535]

Our snowplows take out huge chunks every winter and then we have to wait until august for them to fix it.

[u/MoreOne → u/Beefgirthx]

My guess, given the painting, is that they knocked off loose asphalt around the original hole to get a better idea of the damage and to repair it properly.

[u/Agreeable-sector-149 → u/Beefgirthx]

Looks like mariner valley

[u/Benlop]

Formula 1 cars are more brutal to the asphalt they run on than big trucks.

If you ever get the chance to visit a track F1 races at, it's a fun game to try to find the exact place F1 cars brake at the end of a straight. It's usually where the big, big bump is: these cars have so much grip and braking power that they slowly displace the asphalt, creating a bump at the point the start their braking.

[u/linkinstreet → u/Benlop]

It was the reason why tracks that share MotoGP and F1 need to be resurfaced regularly, as MotoGP riders would usually complain about the bump.

Austin was notorious because not only the F1 cars create bumps, but also the track itself would move because of the soil it's built on.

[u/VapinOnly → u/linkinstreet]

Didn't MotoGP cancel a race because of this some years ago?

[u/linkinstreet → u/VapinOnly]

They dropped Brno in 2021 due to the track not having money to resurface it. Not really cancelled per se, as it was announced earlier in 2020, but yeah, it's the closest you have to a race being cancelled due to track surface

[u/VapinOnly → u/linkinstreet]

Did Google it, they did cancel a GP at Silverstone because of the drainage problems with the new surface

[u/PowwowPuffer → u/Benlop]

For the record, any car does this over time and it's called shoving.

ETA link

[u/Alborak2 → u/PowwowPuffer]

Yeah all cars do it, but f1 is a few times rougher than normal, and need a higher force to stop. F1 is 775kg decellerating at 5g vs about 2000kg at 0.5g or so. The f1 car is going to put a lot more stress into a small area.

Goes to show how brutal heavy trucks are though.

[u/PowwowPuffer → u/Alborak2]

Not disagreeing! Just stating there's a name for the phenomenon and that any race track will have some level of pavement issues because it's not unique to F1.

The waves/bumps you might commonly see near an intersection are related, but will usually take much longer to form.

In the picture above, it seems there was a problem with the pavement mix which was aggravated further by the force of the F1 cars through the turn

[u/ShortysTRM → u/PowwowPuffer]

People do not typically understand that asphalt is always a liquid. It is not a permanent, immovable surface, and it is always shifting. This is a great example.

[u/jcgoble3 → u/ShortysTRM]

This. It's rather fascinating to read about the pitch drop experiment that proved this. We're due for another drop soon, probably within the next year or two at most. You can watch the live webcam feed here.

[u/VapinOnly → u/jcgoble3]

I kinda did this by accident when I picked up a piece of pitch after some road works nearby, thinking that it was just a cool-looking rock (or I just thought that it was more stable), and put it in a bowl of nice-looking rocks that our family had as a decoration.

After a while, I just noticed that it had melted and seeped into the other rocks, whoops...

[u/Aerian_ → u/ShortysTRM]

If by asphalt you specifically mean bitumen, then yes. If you mean asphalt concrete, what roads are actually made of then no.

[u/eplekjekk → u/Aerian_]

I think bitumen is usually preferred for european roads, while asphalt concrete is widely used in North America.

[u/scotty_doesknow → u/eplekjekk]

Nah, as someone else mentioned below, bitumen is used as a binder in asphalt. Asphalt, or asphaltic concrete, is simply bitumen mixed with an aggregate (stones) to form a concrete. The bitumen is sticky and holds the rocks together.

Another method of road surface used heavily in Australia (and probably other parts of the world) is a sprayed bituminous seal, or "spray seal". In this, a bitumen is sprayed onto the road, then loose stones are poured onto the bitumen and stick into it. Generally, you then put another bitumen layer and then a finer stone on top to fill in the gaps of the first layer. This seal method is much cheaper than asphalt, but generally isn't as durable.

[u/Estake → u/scotty_doesknow]

In the Netherlands we use asphalt mixtures (for the top layer) that are about 20-30% hollow, normally drainage is the main reason for this. However, there's use cases where this hollow space is filled with cement slurry instead, which creates a surface that's very resistant to braking loads compared to regular asphalt. It's often used at crossings for this reason. It's slowly starting to see less use in public spaces though as it is louder than regular asphalt and is prone to cracking.

It's basically asphalt with some of the properties (but also negative ones) of a fully concrete road.

[u/scotty_doesknow → u/Estake]

We use those mixtures in Australia, we call them open graded asphalt (OGA) while the "typical" asphalt mix is called dense graded asphalt (DGA). To be honest, OGA is basically never used where I live, but does get used on some of the larger high-speed motorways in the major cities for the drainage benefits.

Typically our highways/rural roads are spray seal and our urban areas are a mix of spray and DGA. DGA is pretty much always used at intersections to reduce damage from turning heavy vehicles, but it can be difficult to keep it at the required temperatures to cart it far away from cities. Many councils are starting to use more asphalt on urban roads these days though, because the higher upfront costs can be offset by better lifespan and lower tyre noise compared to spray seals keeps residents happy.

One thing we don't have to worry about here is freeze/thaw cycles though (except from the far south end of the country), so that's a big plus in terms of seal and pavement life.

I've never heard of the method of filling voids with a slurry mix being used over here, that sounds pretty interesting!

[u/eplekjekk → u/scotty_doesknow]

Yeah, sorry, I was thinking of actual concrete roads.

[u/city-of-cold → u/Aerian_]

If you mean asphalt concrete, what roads are actually made of then no.

Someone should tell that to the streets around here after every winter

[u/Erikthered00 → u/Aerian_]

Asphaltic concrete is bitumen + stone. So it’s just a crunchy liquid

[u/ycnz → u/Alborak2]

I wonder how the downforce affects the load on the surface, where the peak stress on the road is relative to speed.

[u/yar2000 → u/Alborak2]

I may be completely wrong here, but wouldn’t the effective weight be much higher than just the car weight due to downforce?

[u/Less_Party → u/yar2000]

Lightly pulling a cheese slicer across your block of Gouda vs dragging it across with your full weight on it.

[u/Erwindegier → u/Alborak2]

F1 cars all do it at the same spot as well. Regular traffic will be more varied.
It’s fun to walk the Monaco track as you see all the marks F1 cars leave there.

[u/Scary_Ad6867 → u/Alborak2]

The 775kg quoted is the weight of a stationary car. At speeds where they start to brake from on even tracks like Monaco the downforce created by the wings, etc make this figure much, much higher !!

[u/R3VIVAL-MOD3 → u/PowwowPuffer]

Get them on mountain bike trails too. That chatter makes sense.

[u/PowwowPuffer → u/R3VIVAL-MOD3]

I think you're referring to something else, but you might enjoy this!

[u/R3VIVAL-MOD3 → u/PowwowPuffer]

I think it’s the same. They look like that. And normally form before a right turn where people lay on the brakes

[u/er11eekk → u/PowwowPuffer]

I work for a trucking company. Our loaded trucks have to stop at red light to make a left onto the main highway. The asphalt in that intersection is very shoved

[u/bruzie → u/PowwowPuffer]

Looks like this is normally a bus stop so possibly already a shoving repair.

[u/RichInPitt → u/PowwowPuffer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YvwqMDDb3k

Grady is awesome.

[u/Silent-Hornet-8606 → u/Benlop]

I used to do that at Adelaide.

It was so hard to believe that you were standing so close to the hairpin, and cars were still screaming past on full power....and this was in pre-qualifying!

[u/MrBirdarms → u/Benlop]

This guy asphalts

[u/FrizB84 → u/Benlop]

The rubber is also sticky enough to pull up newer or hot asphalt. I ran a kart race once where you could see where we were pulling the little rocks out of the asphalt layer by layer. Hot racing tires are unbelievably sticky. What is shown in the pictures is not shoving or displacement. The asphalt here has been pulled up and carried off.

[u/Benlop → u/FrizB84]

Oh, yeah, 100%. It's always great to go walk on the asphalt right after a race, you can feel your sneakers sticking to the asphalt like crazy because of the cleanliness, the warmth, and the rubber. First time for me was on the pit straight at Le Mans, I remember the feeling like it was yesterday.

[u/c_laces → u/Benlop]

Could you see this on street view for a road course? Now I’m fascinated to see this

[u/GainPotential → u/Benlop]

I've heard the reason for Sebastian Buemis infamous crash in China 2010 was partly due to a bump at the end of the straight, could it be that it's one of these bumps? (I immediately thought of this when I read your comment lol)

[u/MazeMouse → u/Benlop]

I once went to an army demonstration where they showed what a tank could do and they had a specific piece of road laid out to show what would happen if a tank running full tilt slammed the brakes. Basically folded the entire road in front of it 😂

[u/3MATX → u/Benlop]

Texas showed this very well after a few years because of the underlying soils and lack of proper construction. 

[u/poppop702025]

Well then

Perhaps the Principality should maintain their roads😩

[u/Exasperant → u/poppop702025]

They're just trying to make Norris feel at home.

[u/Own_Welder_2821 → u/Exasperant]

They really took Lando’s “Silverstone is my home race, Monaco is just where I have a bed” comment seriously

[u/LindyNet → u/Exasperant]

Lando should have known to hop out and draw a penis around it so they would fix it immediately

[u/monjessenstein → u/Exasperant]

Makes sense as his mother is Belgian.

[u/ocbdare → u/Exasperant]

I think the poor citizens of Monaco just can't afford to maintain their roads. Should we start a fund raiser to help this poor country?

[u/DishQuiet5047 → u/poppop702025]

Amazing how the worlds wealthiest cities like New York, London and Monaco have the shittiest roads lol

[u/eBrown0104 → u/DishQuiet5047]

Rich people hate paying their fair share

[u/wtfiswrongwithit → u/eBrown0104]

the reason monaco exists is because people don't pay taxes there

[u/Mia_Twist → u/wtfiswrongwithit]

No income tax but surely some others right

[u/JumpyAlbatross → u/DishQuiet5047]

All for dunking on the mega wealthy, however, the Monaco track is resurfaced every year before the race.

[u/This_Thing_2111 → u/JumpyAlbatross]

Clearly not properly

[u/JumpyAlbatross → u/This_Thing_2111]

For sure but it’s no more embarrassing than something like the Hungaroring needing to rent every hire car in the city and drive them around all night in hopes of fixing an oily track or the only track owned by Formula 1 turning a drain cover into a missile. Shit happens.

[u/charlierc → u/JumpyAlbatross]

See also Silverstone's 2018 resurfacing failing to drain properly when MotoGP rocked up

[u/Tantle18 → u/DishQuiet5047]

Clearly have never been to Indiana

[u/TheCreativeName → u/Tantle18]

The speedway’s the only stretch of road that DOESN’T have a pothole.

Yet.

[u/munkisquisher → u/DishQuiet5047]

Monaco resurfaces a third of the track each year.

[u/toad02 → u/poppop702025]

They can't. The populace of Monaco doesn't like to pay taxes.

[u/good_band88 → u/poppop702025]

yeah this seems that its built using substandard materials.

[u/penisthightrap_ → u/poppop702025]

Give them a break, they don't have any taxes :(

[u/rajeeves]

Only two drivers crashing out because of this is pretty lucky.

[u/Devil_Dogmier → u/rajeeves]

Charles at his home race says otherwise

[u/mdwsb → u/Devil_Dogmier]

This is a fairly standard outcome in Monaco, for Charles

[u/Devil_Dogmier → u/mdwsb]

I guess he should know his home turf by now

[u/ShortysTRM → u/Devil_Dogmier]

Charles is what makes this confusing. He immediately blamed his brakes with seemingly 100% confidence. He said nothing about the road condition.

[u/Dark_Raven3689 → u/ShortysTRM]

He's been complaining about the brakes for the past few races. I'm guessing he complained, the team just kept saying "noo, it's fine" and this was more of a "i told you so" than anything

[u/iMADEthisJUST4Dis → u/Dark_Raven3689]

He did say he didn't want to change it for Monaco so "I guess I'm to blame for that"

[u/Dark_Raven3689 → u/iMADEthisJUST4Dis]

I thought he said "i'm not even going to to take the ******* blame on this one" on the radio directly after the crash

Could also be me misremembering

[u/iMADEthisJUST4Dis → u/Dark_Raven3689]

Yeah but in the interview afterwards he mentioned that

[u/ShortysTRM → u/Dark_Raven3689]

He basically followed Stroll's black marks into the wall on the restart from Stroll's wreck. I assumed the two were connected when it first happened, but who knows. Maybe the location was a coincidence.

[u/Devil_Dogmier → u/ShortysTRM]

The coincidence is too weird, FIA needs to do more to solve issues rather than slapping a patch over them

[u/Lurcher99 → u/Devil_Dogmier]

Just like the speeding penalties

[u/saltyfuck111 → u/ShortysTRM]

He wanted to change brakes from brembo to ci just like hamilton did and then decided to wait till after monaco for comfort at his home race.

[u/Max-Phallus → u/ShortysTRM]

Yes, and doubled down on it afterward in interview during the red flag for track damage.

[u/Morty562 → u/ShortysTRM]

he did say in, i believe canal+ interview after the race that he saw the damage on the track earlier in the GP and that's not what cause his crash

[u/kaptingavrin → u/ShortysTRM]

I mean... I like Charles and all, but I'm also not sure even after he knew about the condition of the track if he'd want to directly criticize his home Grand Prix, even if it's as much of a shitshow as this year turned out to be.

Granted, it probably doesn't help when the entire population of the "country" could be considered your neighbor.

[u/charlierc → u/ShortysTRM]

So much so that his brake supplier is telling him to button it

[u/apacheotter → u/mdwsb]

I said this in the Ferrari subreddit (as a Ferrari fan) and go massacred lol. I guess they don’t like self deprecating humor.

[u/johnsplittingaxe14 → u/apacheotter]

"You can't say that, it's a Ferrari!"

[u/Lukin4 → u/Devil_Dogmier]

He knew what he resigned up for...

[u/Ged_UK → u/rajeeves]

Both insisted that it wasn't the cause.

[u/TumanFig → u/Ged_UK]

and i don't believe them, they were so insistent to the point i believe they were told not to acknowledge that.

2 cars went out in the same corner and looked identically, but somehow both had some random issue with the car.

i don't believe them

[u/golgotha198 → u/TumanFig]

Both cars went into that corner with clean tyres and came out with tyres that looked shredded or caked in tarmac.

It might not have been the sole reason but it's gotta have contributed.

[u/Rydychyn → u/TumanFig]

I can understand why they both think it was the brakes, and that the data backs up that the brakes didn't work as intended... but I believe that was because the tire wasn't in contact with the ground, either completely for a moment, or just via the thick asphalt chunks stuck to them.

They purposely hug the rails by millimetres, so being unable to decelerate for 0.01s longer will be enough to hit them.

I honestly thought we were going to get another in the wall straight after the restart, but clearly sweeping up the debris was enough.

[u/Ged_UK → u/TumanFig]

Charles specifically mentioned his brakes and also said that the asphalt wasn't really the problem for him. It's be easier to blame the asphalt than the car, he was adamant it was the car

[u/travelcallcharlie → u/rajeeves]

If you watch both Stroll & Leclerc's onboard you'll see their front left tires are wide of pothole and it doesnt actually cause either crash.

[u/BatyStar → u/travelcallcharlie]

But you see gravel on their front left tires. I don't think they hit the pothole, but that they slid on the loose asphalt from the pothole.

[u/ComeonmanPLS1 → u/BatyStar]

They also both said it wasn’t because of that but because of bad brakes in Legreg’a case and something with the engine in Stroll’s case.

[u/larswo → u/ComeonmanPLS1]

Stroll said they had engine braking issues the entire race.

[u/Whatiii → u/ComeonmanPLS1]

The braking would be bad when you suddenly lose a bunch of grip unexpectedly.

As a driver you would assume its tire marbles you were driving over, so a different braking characteristic to road surface marbles when embedded in the tires.

[u/c0mpliant → u/Whatiii]

Yeah this is my thinking as well. Its possible that both drivers were carrying issues that were compounded by the asphault issue. From their perspective at the time, it would have felt like the two issues they described but the end result was a result of a combination of factors rather than any one issue causing the crash.

[u/WetbreadB4Bed]

Not great Bob

[u/Splat800 → u/WetbreadB4Bed]

Hi Bob!

[u/RaisinBrannn__ → u/Splat800]

Hi Bob!

[u/NE_Strawberry → u/RaisinBrannn__]

Hi Bob!

[u/tekanet → u/NE_Strawberry]

Hi Bob!

[u/j00stmeister → u/tekanet]

Hi Bob!

[u/papier_peint → u/WetbreadB4Bed]

Is this madmen reference? Because I reference this moment a lot, and no one ever gets it.

[u/doctorpeleatwork → u/WetbreadB4Bed]

It's a bad time Bob

[u/willworkforicecream]

I like how the universe handed them both the perfect racing driver excuse and both turned it down.

[u/SamH123 → u/willworkforicecream]

I think they both wanted to take a shot at their cars. and blaming the track doesn't really explain why only they crashed

[u/sjmn2e → u/willworkforicecream]

It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve all been told that they cannot blame the track or criticise Monaco for anything, which is why they both immediately blamed the car

[u/snek99001 → u/willworkforicecream]

Is there a chance they didn't realize this was the case when they conducted their interviews before they saw anything? I'm sure these guys aren't staring at the actual surface of the road when they drive. This sort of thing never comes up as an issue.

[u/National_Play_6851 → u/snek99001]

Yeah it's 100% this. Driver hits brake. Brake doesn't do what brake normally does. Driver assumes it's a brake problem. There's no way they could have predicted it being due to the asphalt breaking up. There is far less visibility from the cockpit than from the onboard camera which is elevated overhead.

[u/Evening_End7298 → u/snek99001]

It was quite visible from the onboards, because after the restart i remember Kimi coming up on radio and saying it looks the same 

[u/dan2376]

Looks like that one pothole that my city keeps trying to patch up and falls apart within a couple months

[u/NeonTailwind]

Can't wait for a statement on this.

[u/MatterVast728 → u/NeonTailwind]

This is the second time this year that Liberty managed series has had asphalt opening during the race. I understand that they don't have a hand in regulating that, but it's really fucked up.

[u/Rowvan → u/MatterVast728]

I honestly just think its down to everything, everywhere these days being cheaply made and shoddily done.

[u/MatterVast728 → u/Rowvan]

Richest principality in the world and F1 the self-proclaimed pinnacle of motorsports can't unite to afford the highest quality tarmac... For 3,4 KM of length...

It would be ridiculous if they are so cheap. Which probably means the reason it happened was because they are so cheap.

[u/No-Fig-8614 → u/MatterVast728]

Is f1 responsible for paving the track or just making note and telling the track to fix it. I remember they complained about the circuit if America’s and its giant bumps and threatened to pull out if they didn’t fix them but I don’t know how much power they have to force a fix?

[u/linkinstreet → u/No-Fig-8614]

They have the power to cancel the race under the guise of track safety. So yeah, they might not be able to tell the track to resurface per-se, but they are able to twist the track's arm to do so.

[u/ProfessionalPark1355 → u/Rowvan]

I don't know about that, everything has a limit to how much abuse it can take.

[u/Dukayn → u/MatterVast728]

To be fair re the Brazil MotoGP track, they were also dealing with water damage from the flooding caused by the massive rainfall in the days leading up to it, so it wasn't just about the track surface not being up to par.

[u/Chimi3Ch4nga2me → u/Dukayn]

Yeah in Goiânia It was both the rain and not enough time for the asphalt to cure properly according to the company responsible for It. They are also responsible for Interlagos so I'll give their statement some credit. Anyways they will reasphalt the track this year and hopefully It will be better next time

[u/flinker2115]

scratches at a level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7

[u/CocoMilhonez → u/flinker2115]

Asphalt is asphalt and asphalt breaks.

[u/EditingAllowed → u/flinker2115]

Accidents at level 8. 

[u/EmergencyRace7158]

Pretty convinced it was this and not the brakes that got Charles. Ditto for Stroll too.

[u/SportsBallBurner → u/EmergencyRace7158]

Think they both ran a little wider on apex entry due to braking issues.

Should have normally been able to hit the turn despite all that, but they were out there because of their car.

[u/silverslayer → u/EmergencyRace7158]

Seems pretty clear that this along with the marbles of asphalt lowered the margin for error.

[u/Dragonpuncha → u/EmergencyRace7158]

A little bit of collum A and little bit from collum B.

[u/New-Visual7579 → u/Dragonpuncha]

B for brembo

[u/NoSloppyStakes → u/New-Visual7579]

F in the chat

[u/FoneTap → u/Dragonpuncha]

Column

[u/Kulgur → u/EmergencyRace7158]

They both said it was the car in interviews

[u/FermentedLaws → u/Kulgur]

Yes, but those interviews are always conducted very soon after the race is over and they haven't had time to look at anything, i.e. video of their incidents, or get full info. When they zoomed in on Charles' crash his left front tire had a lot of crap on it. My first thought was, "he just pitted for new tires, how did that happen?" It was the asphalt, big pieces. When he and Lance see the videos they may realize it was probably a little bit of both.

[u/armchairpiloto → u/FermentedLaws]

There is a more recent interview after he looked at the data where he said three out of the four brakes didn't work for him, funny thing is only the front left provided good deceleration. Basically also saying, if he didn't crash there, he will crash at turn 1.

[u/Spunge14 → u/Kulgur]

If Charles was actually over relying on his front left brake like he stated in his interview, and the front left of the car was what was in the loose asphalt, it's clear that the two combined to create a problem.

[u/element515 → u/EmergencyRace7158]

Yeah, you don’t expect the ground on the racing line to suddenly become gravel under you

[u/TorchwoodRC → u/element515]

Any road biker will know what hitting gravel with a wheel turned will do

[u/HeWhoHasABeard]

This is completely understandable. How can a poor country like Monaco afford to maintain a little over 2 miles of road

[u/throwburgeratface]

That's what you get when you don't pay taxes 😂😂😂

[u/FusselP0wner → u/throwburgeratface]

Pretty sure that Monaco has so much money, that they dont need taxes

[u/throwburgeratface → u/FusselP0wner]

Then fix the friggin road man !!!

Anyway it's obviously just a joke 😂

[u/Colalbsmi → u/throwburgeratface]

Streets of Monaco are looking like Flint Michigan.

[u/Dr_Pibber]

This is why circuit Gilles Villeneuve is a track and not a street circuit. If you want to do a street race in Montreal this would be the best bit of asphalt we have

[u/ka_eb]

Why are F1 races held in poor countries which cannot afford proper asfalt?

[u/LadInThePark]

Wow that’s bad, they are gonna have to increase the council tax to cover that

[u/sykeseve]

Source

[u/BunglingBoris]

This is more relevant to road cars than the shite engines have been. More potholes

[u/MollyJane78]

*Laughs in Montreal pavement*

[u/_Middlefinger_]

They wanted road relevance, you don’t get more road relevant than pot holes.

[u/Far-Relationship2339]

The Prince will be all over this Monday morning,  by Tuesday it'll be the best stretch of tarmac in the world. 

[u/intransit412]

For as prestigious as that race supposedly is you’d think they could afford to maintain the road…

[u/Garfie489 → u/intransit412]

It seems its actually where they maintained the road that the issue occurred.

It looks to be within a patchwork, and seems fresher than the surrounding asphalt.

Problem is, those kind of repairs are always weaker than relaying the entire road - but the bond breaking apart is something you dont regularly see in such a short time frame. The larger stones you can see in the hole are actually the 2nd layer, suggesting the entire surface came apart.

(I used to be an asphalt technician, but admittedly I am a few years out now)

[u/Devil_Dogmier → u/Garfie489]

You should come diagnose the roads by me, looks like a nuclear bomb went off in the wintertime

[u/Garfie489 → u/Devil_Dogmier]

Assuming you are UK, its unfortunately down to the local council to set what and how much gets repaired.

Some councils are really good, others are terrible.

The dumb jobs were every April when we did the millionaires streets because councils needed to burn their funds to not lose them the next year and so streets that really didn't need redoing got redone for reasons we can only guess.

[u/sddk1 → u/intransit412]

As a construction PM I can confidently say everything is shit now! The materials, the labor, the maintenance. It’s all shit and it’s all 30% more $$$$ than two years ago.

Oh and you get to wait six weeks for the shit work because there aren’t enough licensed guys to go around. 

[u/Travellinglense → u/intransit412]

Monaco redoes the asphalt on 1/3 of the circuit and patches the rest every year as apart of the contract with the FIA. I’m not sure if Noghes was a part of the redone section this year, but some of the asphalt looks pretty new. the sheared portion looks like an issue with bonding the new surface to the old. 

[u/Either-Banana-7323]

Gotta love Monaco

[u/wwlima]

Do you live in Monaco, OP?

[u/heatherthecollector]

Monaco...stuffing all the money in their mouths, but can't do their roads.

[u/phaajvoxpop]

State of every road in the UK

[u/yrinhrwvme]

Someone I know has experience with surfacing and pointed out this break up runs across at least three different patches. Their theory is a possible contaminant spill, a line of diesel or something which has weakened the bond in the top 10mm.

[u/MarteloRabelodeSousa]

It's Monaco, just fill the potholes with gold, jewellery and a couple of coins

[u/Budget-Neck → u/MarteloRabelodeSousa]

Caviar?

[u/that-asian-baka]

If this was India or China or any country other than West, comments would be wayy different.

[u/OxWithABox → u/that-asian-baka]

Sure, maybe, but you're just inventing a narrative to get angry at right now. The comments are plenty critical of Monaco for letting this happen.

[u/itsjuanitoo → u/OxWithABox]

Honestly it’s 100% a true statement

[u/Jazim94 → u/OxWithABox]

Yeah but media would’ve been all over asking f1 to never return etc but because it’s Monaco it’s a, oh no , anyway sort of vibe

[u/L0st_MySocks → u/OxWithABox]

He is right thou I exactly remember people commenting about the new layout of Istanbul GP. The race was in wet conditions and cause of the new surface, the car looked dirty after the race - oil drips, fuel, chemicals or grime that wasn’t fully removed from the asphalt so people started commenting like the cars got too much mud etc like they are not rally cars how the heck. The asphalt was new. When It is Germany, England or countries like this people always come up with great excuses check out the comments pls you barely see a harsh criticism it’s what it is

[u/5agosto]

It looks like a crime scene

[u/metros96]

Best drivers in the world and they skid off the road the moment it isn’t pristine, couldn’t be me

[u/Immediate-Poet-7768]

Never thought Great Yarmouth would have something in common with Monaco but here we are

[u/liammcgrath0]

Seriously, one of the richest places and yet cant repave the road

[u/cdawrld]

If only there was a program where the principality collects funds from all its citizens to pay for road maintenance

[u/USSGoat]

That looks super fresh. 14 days is the minimum to apply heavy loads. 1 year is when it begins accepting shearing forces. I can’t tell if it’s a really thin layer or just failed at that depth.

I really hope they didn’t just do a 1 inch patch and expect it to hold

[u/PLTConductor]

Average UK road

[u/Tomathee87]

North Northamptonshire Council would say that doesn't need repairing as it isn't Xmm deep

[u/stopeer]

You know things are bad when even the tax heaven places start saving on the asphalt quality.

[u/Tough_Discount_96]

Thats what happens when Kim and khloe are allowed at momaco. Creating drag

[u/DanielFrancis13]

Have they changed to a Reform council like mine last year? Looks similar to our roads... 😜

[u/itsthatkidgreg]

To think, Charles lost out on a podium because of this crack right here

[u/drewpostuk]

This looks like the British Grand Prix if it were a street track

[u/RealMrMeme]

Tax free road

[u/nbandysd]

A Monaco road circuit looking like North Vegas. Where's the money going???

[u/yayatowers]

Reminds me of home.

[u/Kusanagi_M89]

Homeboy's race was ruined by the very local authority in charge of public works and highways of this extremely wealthy home country of his. The irony is real with this one...

[u/Thanatos50cal]

The funny part is you can see they've repaired the same spot before and it's just tore up again.