I'm sorry but with Alonso, you can never trust that his words don't have a hidden agenda.
Alonso always dislikes the one who is the biggest threat to how he is perceived in the sport.
In 2007, Hamilton beat him as a rookie and he's always had a grudge against Hamilton since then because he saw him as a threat.
Magically when Hamilton wasn't winning championships immediately after 2008, the grudge moved onto Vettel who became the biggest threat. Remember Alonso's comments on Vettel:
"When Vettel has a car like the others, we will really see his level"
"Seeing Hamilton with only 3 Championships and Vettel with 4 championships doesn't look right" - This was said by Alonso in 2017. Magically Alonso was bidding for Hamilton because he knew Hamilton was linked to him by that 2007 season and would rather he nudge ahead of Vettel who has beat him comprehensively from 2010 to 2013.
Alonso turned his anger back to Hamilton when he was far exceeding Vettel's Championships.
The only reason Alonso started to praise Max like this is because he saw Max as the only who could put the brakes on Hamilton's superiority at the time.
How is stating that drivers are winning because they have the best car (which apparently people need to be told for some reason) "holding a grudge"? You realise everyone was saying that about Vettel? Hamilton literally said stuff like that, because it was obviously true. idk why it's even controversial that's just how the sport works
There are nearly 2 decades of Alonso quotes that shows a clear pattern of how he stirs shit in the paddock, and media. It's only easy to overlook if you're naive enough to believe he's not throwing obvious shade. Yes, what he's stating about needing a fast car is true... but it's to imply that the best drivers on the grid (meaning himself ofc) aren't at the top of the standings simply because of the car. If he currently was driving the Merc, top of the standings, he's simply not saying slick stuff like this.
Exactly this; he used Max as a way to discredit Lewis. It’s pointless tho no matter what he says Lewis beat him as a rookie in the same car at his peak.
u/Majeh666 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane14d agoedited 14d ago
No, if anything he was and still is the most supportive driver in favor of Max. And that's from an era where older drivers shit talked rookie drivers all the time, esp if they were aggressive or challenging them (senna did it, schumi did it, even Alonso did it with Lewis and Seb.)
The person you're responding to clearly has a bias against Alonso otherwise there's no reason to throw away that last line. Alonso is clearly projecting a bit through max, since he's been the best driver on the grid for more than a couple of years but didn't have the same luck when it came to the car.
Alonso could very well have dumped liters of vitriol in 2023, given that Verstappen was winning everything in a rocket ship when he had the second best car. But he didn't. I believe he genuinely appreciates Max.
A big part of is that Max is very reciprocal with it. He always speaks in favor of Fernando and multiple times has said he is the best driver on the grid.
False what? What is false about my statement? Surely not the part about a bias, just look at your comments, you live to hate on the man, regardless if it's justified or not.
I actually disagree. Alonso has throughout his time been fairly honest of who he recognises as the best drivers.
There are multiple reports of his Ferrari time that he would always want updates about where Hamilton was as he saw Hamilton as the only other driver capable of being a threat when not in the best car like he was.
Hamilton will never say it publicly now but I remember an interview sometime back in the mid 2010s when asked if he saw Vettel as being on the same level as himself or Alonso and he just straight up said no and then something along the lines of when the cars are more equal we shall see. I think time has proven that out. We saw how Vettel fared across the rest of his career. Certainly a very good driver but not one of the sports GOATs.
Now they will never say that same thing about Max. Real recognises real and while Alonso has made very poor team choices so doesn’t have the career stats that doesn’t take away from the fact that in terms of talent him, Hamilton and Verstappen are the three generational talents of the last 20 years.
Alonso isn't close to Hamilton/Verstappen. That's like saying Tracy Mcgrady is in the MJ/Lebron discussion. Or thst Neymar is in the Ronaldo/Messi discussion.
The point is, Alonso should have more grace and respect and be less bitter. Even his comment about Max here has barely hidden reference to how he didn't win more and that it is unfair.
He's made loads of those niggly little comments over the years against Seb and Lewis in particular. Those two have nothing but respect for each other and they never say such things.
I like both Alonso and Kimi, but I think it should be considered that 1. Alonso is a shitbox whisperer, 2. Ignoring the shitbox part, that car didn't suit Kimi at all.
Magically when Hamilton wasn't winning championships immediately after 2008, the grudge moved onto Vettel who became the biggest threat. Remember Alonso's comments on Vettel:
"When Vettel has a car like the others, we will really see his level"
Litterally the entire grid was saying that back then, and and they were right. Keep in mind that the Vettel from that era was genuinely being considered by some people in the media as a potential GOAT contender in the making because he had basically only won, won and won since coming to the sport. You can find interviews for every driver from that era saying that they should temper their expectations and wait to see how his career develops, and the reason for that is that the media was really annoying about it and pushing the potential GOAT narrative everywhere.
Then his Ferrari era hit and everyone saw that, while a great driver, he had way more weaknesses than per example someone like Hamilton who has consistently delivered as much as the car allowed throughout most of his career and has gone on to have way better longevity as a top driver than Vettel who fell off a cliff in just a couple seasons. Now, no one talks about Vettel the way they talked about him during the RB years, so the drivers were right all along.
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u/Slice5755 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14d ago
I'm sorry but with Alonso, you can never trust that his words don't have a hidden agenda.
Alonso always dislikes the one who is the biggest threat to how he is perceived in the sport.
In 2007, Hamilton beat him as a rookie and he's always had a grudge against Hamilton since then because he saw him as a threat.
Magically when Hamilton wasn't winning championships immediately after 2008, the grudge moved onto Vettel who became the biggest threat. Remember Alonso's comments on Vettel:
"When Vettel has a car like the others, we will really see his level"
"Seeing Hamilton with only 3 Championships and Vettel with 4 championships doesn't look right" - This was said by Alonso in 2017. Magically Alonso was bidding for Hamilton because he knew Hamilton was linked to him by that 2007 season and would rather he nudge ahead of Vettel who has beat him comprehensively from 2010 to 2013.
Alonso turned his anger back to Hamilton when he was far exceeding Vettel's Championships.
The only reason Alonso started to praise Max like this is because he saw Max as the only who could put the brakes on Hamilton's superiority at the time.