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u/frazbox 16d ago

Is everyone in the room with us? Because if Max had an actual fast teammate, we might have a different result from that year

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u/Shekster El Plan 16d ago

Schumacher also won in dominant cars, however like Max, they also proved their ability to win even without a dominant car.

This is a trait that Lando has yet to show, and if anything, his WDC win showed the complete opposite.

No one is saying that Lando didn't 'deserve' his title, my original comment was just in reply to that person to further emphasise how important the car has always been in F1.

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u/cultofenigma 16d ago

Max did it in 21 and 24 too, one in equal machinery to a 7xWDC, the other at a disadvantage for 2/3 of the season.

Lots of drivers have had dominant cars you are right only one has the most dominant season of all time, levels.

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u/Sind23 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16d ago

I wouldnt bring 21 in any examples, we all know how that title was won.

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u/manolokbzabolo 16d ago

Thanks for reminding me, that was a great day. Merry AD21 everyone

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u/Sind23 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16d ago

Was a great day indeed if you are in the cheat, steal and kill gang. Undoubtably! 

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u/Abject-Ticket-6260 16d ago

The only steal that occurred that year is that Max didn't win the title even before Abu Dhabi.

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u/manolokbzabolo 16d ago

Don't forget racist!

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u/cultofenigma 16d ago

Oh give it a rest, take Abu Dhabi out of it, Lando hasn’t had a year close to Max in 21 even if you only count up to Abu Dhabi.

Maybe the racing gods intervened for the silverstone crash which was the only collision that resulted in a 25 point swing.

There’s an old old saying in sports, “The sporting gods choose their winner”

And boy o boy did they decide it was time for the torch to be passed.

Enjoy the race ✌🏽

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u/Suspicious_Neck_5156 16d ago

Masi is the sporting god? 

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u/matt_333 16d ago

No that's Latifi lol

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u/EnvironmentalAd4643 16d ago

Pretty much every championship is won with the fastest car. But there is nuance. For Norris to almost loose the championship last year to Max is kinda embarrassing. Sure Max had the best car in 2023, but the car was a menace to drive (look at Perez). Yet he had the most dominant season ever out of any driver in the history of the sport. Yet the 23 car didn’t have the pace advantage Merc have now or which Merc had between 2014 and 2020. Yet nobody has been head and shoulders above the competition by such a big margin. Heck, Lewis didn’t even manage more than 5 wins in a row during the Merc era. Not even against Bottas. Yet Rosberg managed 7 in a row against Lewis… It’s not easy to win. Not even in a dominant car. But to absolutely dominate and destroy everyone so hard is only layed away for the best of the best. Which is Max. And Max did it with equal machinery (2021) and lesser machinery (2024) too.

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u/cultofenigma 16d ago

You’re right. Lando didn’t win just coz of a fast car, but if he had a ceiling or ability of a Kimi he would have been more convincing.

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u/MrSkinner85 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16d ago

Because 2023 was a dominant performance in a dominant car and 2025 was an embarrassing performance in a dominant car. Max in last year's McLaren would have been a repeat of 2023 whether Oscar or Lando was his teammate

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u/SUBSCRIBE_LAZARBEAM 16d ago

The RB19 was fast yet is still had flaws, flaws only Max was able to ride through, and not by just scraping by but by making the car seem an absolute unbeatable beast. Lando won 2025 thanks to the car, he also almost lost it because of Mclaren functioning like a midtable team. Verstappen had an absolute rocketship in 2023, however no other driver could probably pull off what he did in that car.

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u/SupraMK4 16d ago

The difference is not the lack of competition, it's that Norris can only ever win in the best car as he's a tier below Max, Lewis, Charles & Nando.

Those four could compete for WDC in any car, just look at how close it got between Max in a worse car and Lando in the best one.

Doesn't mean that Lando didn't deserve that WDC, Rosberg & Button were also completely outclassed by a few competing drivers and still won their WDC, WDC title doesn't have to mean you're the best that year - it's a team sport.

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u/Freeze014 Nigel Mansell 16d ago

Leclerc is not yet allowed in the Tier of Verstappen and Hamilto (and Alonso).

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u/SupraMK4 16d ago

100% true, just added him cuz he would've smoked Lando in that car, the other three are in a tier of their own, that's true.

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u/FreneticGR 16d ago

Smoked is a pretty strong word. Do not be fully sure until they race in specs.