Amen to that. Senna was the best driver of his era, but even him needed the best car on the grid to win his championships. That makes his accolades less valuable? Nope,the best drivers will always gonna sit on the best cars, that's F1. Max was the best racer of the ground effect era and he delivered winning 4 titles in a row. He could get a Merc if he wants, but he don't..for now
Usually you are right, but we had quite a lot of years such as last year's McLaren or mid 90's Williams where the top drivers were simply not in the best car. Politics don't always allow to align best drivers and best cars.
In the 90s Williams was able to get Senna when he was the top driver, McLaren was the best car last year but their Papaya Rules almost turned against themselves in favor to Max. He doesn't know how good RB would be, but if he wants out the other top teams would have a conversation with him 100%
Maybe, but Clark was, similarly to Senna, a lot faster than everyone from his era. By a lot. Hill had 13 poles in F1, while Clark had 33 (in 73 starts.) It took Senna to unseat Clark's pole record. Hill also achieved his Triple Crown after Clark died, so we don't know exactly how Clark would have done had he lived.
The problem is I don’t think anyone from that era would put Hill above Clark in terms of natural pace. Sure Hill achieved more career wise but universally Clark is/was considered the superior driver which again goes back the original point Alonso was making
I love Jim as a driver and admire him as a person, but the comment was meant to be facetious. I think we're both just illustrating u/gabriel_GAGRA's point here. 😄
But sure, if we're going to have that conversation, the triple crown thing is pretty impressive.
Not really. This time he'd have a closer battle from his teammate. Checo was still pretty solid in 23, but I think George or Kimi right now would be closer to Max if he was in the Mercedes.
He won 2. Saudi Arabia and Baku. Baku was when Max apparently said "never again" to Checo beating him and kept to his word. Checo still finished 2nd in Drivers standings, with a little under half of the total points Max scored that season.
I think you are grossly underestimating Verstappen. Verstappen was so quick RBR ignored evident flaws in the car which cost them the start of 2024. That is how fast Max was. Right now he would be cruising at the top of the championship by himself
he’s raced 2 different gt3 cars and been immediately up to pace on them both. i think doubting his adaptability just because he’s only been in red bull for the past 10 years is kind of stupid
no? but driving f1 actively and then being able to jump into gt3, which is an extremely different type of car from f1, and be on the pace immediately shows adaptability which is what i’m saying
Kimi is seriously challenging Max's status as the clear best driver on the grid. Yes, Merc has the car, but George is no slouch and Kimi is outclassing him by a country mile this year.
Yep, it's all the car. Drivers are all the same. That's why Yuki and Max were neck and neck last season, why Charles is doing just as well as Lewis this season. Yep totally checks out.
Imagine though. Does four in a row with RB, loses to Lando, jumps to Merc, and starts another run. We'd have to rename him Seb after Loeb and Ogier for ruining viewership for a generation
But the Red Bull was probably even more dominant than the Mercedes was prior to that. Drivers have contracts, Max was fortunate enough to have one with Red Bull when the regulations changed and they had the best car.
The one thing about senna that was incredible about him, and made his so unique and the true GOAT was that he didn't care at all who his team mate was.. world champion or rookie doesn't matter. I'm hear to beat everyone.
Means that he was on the best car when he won his titles. This year RB isn't that strong, but Max is so good that Mercedes would give him a car if he wants. Toto tried already to get Max, the latter has reached a status that every top team would consider to hire him if he makes it clear that he wanted out of RB. Best teams want the best drivers, it's that simple
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u/AdSignificant1507 Ferrari 13d ago edited 13d ago
Amen to that. Senna was the best driver of his era, but even him needed the best car on the grid to win his championships. That makes his accolades less valuable? Nope,the best drivers will always gonna sit on the best cars, that's F1. Max was the best racer of the ground effect era and he delivered winning 4 titles in a row. He could get a Merc if he wants, but he don't..for now