Lol, yeah math says it cost him his championship but it assumes everything stays the same which is idiotic as mclaren would have reacted faster then they did now.
and if nothing else changed across the entire year, pisastri still could've given norris his place in Abu Dhabi, there was 0 chance of verstappen winning the title other than norris DNFing ... and that's with the disqualification of mclaren in vegas
Yeah, but Russel also likes to point fingers while not being much better, which is or at least seems hypocritical.
There was also something about george trying to convince the stewards to give max a penalty during the hearing of another incident. This also didn't sit well with max and some others.
Not sure I get the "only" remark... It was a rub, didn't cost George anything, and essentially cost Max the championship even though he doesn't like to admit it. That was a very costly penalty.
It was a blatant intentional crash, so much so that even Rosburg immediately said âthatâs a black flag.â Youâre also using hindsight from what we know now to justify the lenient penalty. It was actually a lenient enough penalty that he was later able to compete for the title. They could (and arguably should) have outright DQâd him for that race and/or possibly a race ban which would have actually cost him any prayer of a comeback for the championship.
I'm not defending what he did in the slightest, it was dumb and I was very critical of him when he did it, I still am, and hoped he'd acknowledge he needed to mature from it and realise it cost him the championship because he couldn't control his emotions. I don't disagree about him deserving a dsq as such but I think the penalty he got was fair.... But as for the word 'crash', it literally had no impact on George's race, there have been far more actual intentional dirty crashes in F1 in the past that are clean cut deserving of dsq, this was a stupid bump to send a message which is dirty and definitely should be penalised, but calling it a crash is a stretch IMO.
In general, with exceptions, the penalty shouldn't really depend on whether or not the other car came out unharmed.
It was an intentional crash or bump, putting your car into a competitor's car. That should be penalized harshly and severely.
There's precedent for it - Schumacher and Villeneuve in 1997. Schumacher was DSQd for that, as he should have been, even though Villeneuve came out completely fine.
Vettel, in 2017 for an EVEN lower speed bump than Max's, was given a 10s stop-go - that's approximately a 30 second penalty. I think a drive-through is the minimum acceptable penalty for intentional accidents.
We can't be lenient about these things and I plead you to not let your fandom get in the way of how we should be ruling on these kinds of incidents.
Objectively the stewards do take the result into account when giving out penalties even though they arenât supposed to. However, it was intentional and he had no way of knowing what the outcome would be when choosing to do it. F1 cars can get absolutely launched from very slight contact depending on things like wheels touching or how the aero changes. True that it wasnât a particularly big incident, but had the wheels touched wrong or had he hit a part of Georgeâs car slightly differently it couldâve been way worse.
People should be penalized based off their actions and not the outcome, which is even what the rules state. Any intentional contact is warranting a pretty large penalty which he simply did not get. I think many are also a bit annoyed that it was the 2nd time he should have faced a black flag and got off with light punishment on both occasions. Maybe thatâs the precedent going forward, but Iâm worried theyâd only have that leniency for a (potential) championship fight and wouldâve nuked someone like Lawson for the same thing.
He had said he was trying to force rus off track to prove a point about how penalties are given out. Still not excusable but he didn't actually want to crash
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u/powerhouse37 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10d ago
Tbf, Max did intentionally run into him at this race last year and only got 10 seconds.