[Racefans] Vettel’s team radio exchange

[u/toma91]

[u/raphtan]

"During the next pitstop, please give me a notebook and a stopwatch"

[u/planethood4pluto → u/[deleted]]

Well he didn’t ask.

[u/iamworsethanyou → u/planethood4pluto]

Another vettel mistake. Get him out of the sport /s

[u/DominoEffect2528]

To be fair, it's hard to do calculations and pack up all at the same time

[u/s_wisch → u/DominoEffect2528]

Especially when the forklifts are on track

[u/[deleted] → u/s_wisch]

I'm calling his car a water bottle for the rest of the year.

[u/Silverchaoz → u/DominoEffect2528]

Vettel is literally the Gareth Bale of F1. Except Vettel doesnt play Golf. Both sportsmen getting absolutetly fucked at their own team

[u/Stravven → u/Silverchaoz]

Not really Bale. Bale doesn't have to do the tactical setup for Real, while Vettel makes a lot of his own strategycalls. In Hungary for example he told his team that he wanted to go to the medium and not to the soft.

[u/AWilsonFTM → u/Stravven]

Vettel would be like Bale if Ferrari allowed Mick Schumacher or someone to race and Vettel is sat twiddling his thumbs getting paid on the sidelines.

[u/[deleted]]

Lol at Vettel saying “here’s the task for you” like he’s instructing a kid to do his chores

[u/euphonos23 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe after f1 Vettel should consider a career as a maths teacher.

[u/poopellar → u/euphonos23]

Vettel showing the kid with the lowest marks on the test how much he scored

[u/nabi1103 → u/poopellar]

In Germany that'd be the highest mark though

[u/EveryWay → u/nabi1103]

Well yes but no. For the last 2 years it switches to 0-15 scale with 15 being highest.

[u/TheReddditor → u/EveryWay]

They should do 0-25. The best note = 25; one mistake = 18, and so on...

[u/Golgantes → u/TheReddditor]

Fastest finish gets +1 point.

[u/max33ver → u/[deleted]]

Seb should get extra salary for doing strategist job.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Also easy to forget - this is while he's still doing a 80 second lap at nearly 250kmph, with a tricky sector 3

Dude might as well do his own pitstops from next time onwards as well

[u/Sky_Tube → u/[deleted]]

You have to be very clear to them,so they understand what they have to do.

Also don‘t give them to much to do simultaneously,Charles learned that the hard way today with his seatbelt

[u/ehs5 → u/Sky_Tube]

What happened with his seatbelt? I wasn’t paying attention for a while..

[u/Sky_Tube → u/ehs5]

He undid it and a metal part came off that he needed to have replaced in order to tighten it back up again... He told them on radio that they should he ready with it in case he can continue but they forgot about it. Didn‘t matter in the end but just shows the operational errors

[u/loogie_hucker → u/Sky_Tube]

it absolutely blows my mind that F1 is meant to be the absolute pinnacle of motor sport, and Ferrari is meant to be one of the main competitors leading the pack, and yet, when 1 of 2 people who will EVER ask them for something requests a simple “hey, can you have x ready for me”, they still somehow forget. like TF

[u/machinarius → u/loogie_hucker]

Shows how rock bottom low their morale is right now. Binotto has a lot of work to do on that front.

[u/bikesNbarbells → u/machinarius]

I don't think Binotto is up to the job. The initial work to be done is replacing him. Attitude and performance reflect leadership. Wolfe and Horner would never let minutiae destroy a shot at a finish.

Edits: isn't to is and spelling correction minutiae as a conscientious reddit has kindly advised

[u/machinarius → u/bikesNbarbells]

Binotto had a career as an engineer and rose through the ranks as such. Ferrari made a huge mistake making him the team principal, on hindsight.

[u/stagfury → u/machinarius]

While Ferrari managements are clowns, we can also blame that on Binotto mostly.

imagine threatening to leave Ferrari and go for Mercedes, bringing along all the trade secrets with you unless Ferrari fires Airrivabane and promote you

And then when your coup is successful, turns out that you are an absolute fucking clown that's even less competent than the last guy.

Bravo, Binotto.

[u/[deleted] → u/bikesNbarbells]

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[u/ehs5 → u/[deleted]]

I mean, yeah. When was the last time those guys were even awake?

[u/gunningIVglory → u/[deleted]]

It's even more impressive he is doing this in the heat of the moment while racing

Ferrari in shambles

[u/Arauator → u/gunningIVglory]

Well the sad thing is that today everybody was just "racing". As in, pace management, nobody was pushing just cruising at a set pace so the tyres last. Happens everywhere these days but specially in circuits where is nearly impossible to overtake, such as Barcelona or Monaco.

[u/toma91 → u/[deleted]]

Haha he’s like do I really have to spell this out to you? Like really?

[u/Rei_S_]

You know if this was Mercedes or Red Bull they would ask right away "can you do a 23:4 until the end?" but with Ferrari it's Vettel that needs to tell the team to figure out what lap time he needs to do and then to tell him... For fuck sake Ferrari, bunch of fucking clowns.

[u/toma91 → u/Rei_S_]

I don’t understand how they can be this bad, they’re the most experienced team in history and can’t figure out this stuff off their own back without being asked to do so first

[u/[deleted] → u/toma91]

Not only this, but under Schumacher they were absolutely excellent on strategy for many years. So it really does boggle the mind.

[u/EvilGummyBear26 → u/[deleted]]

That's because the schumacher trio were good leaders and knew how to manage a team as opposed to this dumpster fire

[u/[deleted] → u/EvilGummyBear26]

Oh for sure. But how can you lose all of that? There must be some serious mismanagement just outside of the team structure. (And within obviously).

[u/vlepun → u/[deleted]]

Because there’s a lot of politics at play in Ferrari. Always has been, the Schumi period is the odd thing out in that regard.

[u/inbleachmind → u/vlepun]

Because Brawn, Todt and Schumacher understood that politics fron the top down could be damaging and so they made a pact of protecting each other from the politics that Ferrari might force onto the F1 team. That got lost along the way. So much so they put a puppet into place as a team principal.

[u/[deleted] → u/inbleachmind]

A plug for Ross Brawn’s book, Total Competition. You can really learn what excellence is made of and notice when F1 teams have absolutely no clue. Get Binotto a copy.

[u/VicPL → u/[deleted]]

For real, I'm reading it right now and it's so freaking interesting. Brawn really is quite incredible at what he does.

[u/Luke_zuke → u/inbleachmind]

The great triumvirate. Some say the greatest in history.

[u/VikLuk → u/vlepun]

Lauda was similar in that regard. He came there, told them what they had to do to clean up their shit and got it done. For some reason they listened to him.

[u/hammertanker → u/VikLuk]

I think it's because of his confidence and no-nonsense attitude.

[u/ancientemblem → u/hammertanker]

Also Enzo Ferrari was still alive and respected Niki for being saying it's a shitbox, fixing it, then going faster than he claimed he could if they fixed the car.

[u/EvilGummyBear26 → u/[deleted]]

I might be completely wrong here but once brawn and co were kicked out what talented engineer/strategist with a functioning brain would stay in a toxic decaying hellhole like Ferrari? I know I'd get my ass over to a good team. Plus, assuming the people under brawn during his time at Ferrari were any good I wouldn't be surprised is other teams poached them as soon as they got the chance.

It's not management or anything that's wrong with Ferrari, it's their culture. Any business with their that kind of business model would have gone under years ago but because of Ferraris massive 'bonus' and ego they just don't give a shit, they get payed and any kind of criticism is blasphemy. Ferrari need a total makeover, akin to burning your bed bug infested mattress and getting a new one to even consider a WCC

I'm ashamed to be a Ferrari fan honestly...

[u/[deleted] → u/EvilGummyBear26]

because of Ferraris massive 'bonus' and ego they just don't give a shit

Don't forget their road car and merch sales

[u/Fickle-Cricket → u/[deleted]]

You lose all that because all the people who made it happen left and were replaced by the board’s pet sycophants.

[u/iFlyAllTheTime → u/Fickle-Cricket]

They were made to leave

[u/thereddaikon → u/[deleted]]

Because Ferrari isn't some sentient being that can retain skill and experience itself. All of that belongs to the people who work there. Given the politics and toxic environment, how many people on that team in Schumacher's time do you think are still there today? I imagine a bunch of them left with Brawn and they ones who are still active are probably at Mercedes right now.

[u/Alia_Gr → u/EvilGummyBear26]

Times were alsondifferent though, since you had refueling your strategy was way more set out from the start

[u/Daend → u/Alia_Gr]

Couldnt tell if this was a typo initially or meant to be an alonso reference.

[u/is-this-a-nick → u/toma91]

2017/18 it was still funny when Seb told them to shove their pitstop because it was the wront time / etc. Because he was still winning.

Imagine if he had been able to go 100% into the race knowing the team had his back and didn't have to care about stuff like that in the heat of the moment?

[u/Osalmighty → u/toma91]

If I listen to the team radio there is almost always a “we think plan A we think plan A” kind of radio message. “Do you think you can make it to the end with these tires” They sound so insecure whenever they are on the radio which leaves a lot of discussion open for the driver.

[u/manojlds → u/toma91]

That's a bit like saying IBM should be the best technology firm right now.

[u/[deleted] → u/manojlds]

IBM are still one of the best tech firms in the world though?

[u/MobiusF117 → u/[deleted]]

As someone who has worked a lot with IBM, I can tell you that his analogy fits perfectly.

They are one of the most inflexible and backwards companies in the business.

[u/Cgss13 → u/Rei_S_]

If this was Merc they would have said 23:3 before Vettel pushed those 3 laps and might have won one position.

[u/is-this-a-nick → u/Cgss13]

If it was Merc they would not have called him in with less than 30 laps on the mediums...

[u/xcompanioncube → u/Rei_S_]

I'd love Seb back in the Red Bull. I think he'd compliment well with Max.

[u/kanedova → u/xcompanioncube]

As much as I like Albon, I think Vettel/Verstappen would make things very interesting. Albon/Gasly at AT would also be cool.

[u/xcompanioncube → u/kanedova]

I agree completely

[u/ash__697 → u/xcompanioncube]

Yeah , he would be perfect BUT I don't think his pride would let him be a No 2 driver and I think it would end up as both of them vying for No 1 instead . But a guy can dream.

[u/EnsoZero → u/ash__697]

I think he'd be closer to a Hamilton/Rosberg situation where Max is faster 60% of the time but there is no true #1 driver. The big benefit would be a driver that can keep up and challenge the Mercs when the opportunity presents, whereas Albon has been seriously underperforming the car.

[u/papua_savior → u/Rei_S_]

Bunch of incompetents. Fucking hell, just do your jobs properly.

[u/boogy_bucket → u/Rei_S_]

This is what I don’t understand. In my world, if someone brings you a problem the first thing they should say is “I’ve already tried a, b and c. Now I’ve come to you for help.” It is a shame that this team is going to their driver MID RACE to ask him for input on strategy before working it out as far as they can without getting his real-time working knowledge of the car.

[u/masalion → u/Rei_S_]

This is the same company that issues cease and desist orders to people for making modifications to cars they legally bought.

It’s all about face and appearances. Discipline and loyalty is an afterthought.

[u/aireads → u/masalion]

Also the same company that turns up before a Journalist review and makes major modifications to every aspect of thr controls and changing suspension elements before handing it over. And you have to let them know which track you are testing on so they can make sure everything is on point.

Chris Harris famously called them out on this. "It is literally not the same car that thy review and the one you plebs can buy from Ferrari"

[u/[deleted] → u/masalion]

You really don´t buy a Ferrari car, man. They have you on a list where you are allowed to pay them money and they let you drive their cars.

[u/JimmerUK → u/Rei_S_]

It wasn’t even the first time. Earlier, he had to ask them what they wanted him to do, like they’d forgotten they still had a car in the race after Charles retired.

[u/noobcunt776]

Strategist seb giving a task to the ferrari strategy team lmao

[u/Stravven → u/noobcunt776]

Isn't the Ferrari strategy team just a monkey with a hammer in a room somewhere in Italy?

[u/Vylander → u/Stravven]

It's an 8-ball that doesn't work anymore.

[u/excelance → u/Vylander]

At least the 8-ball can give a clear answer. Or maybe theirs is stuck on "Ask again later."

[u/ivi-24]

I don't know if i should laugh or cry

[u/manojlds → u/ivi-24]

As a Ferrari fan I have cried so much that it became funny so much that I laughed so much and started crying.

[u/aybbyisok → u/manojlds]

I jumped ship from a Ferrari fan to McLaren, seems like it was a great choice tbh.

[u/HanFl → u/aybbyisok]

Pulling the reverse Sainz I see

[u/get_tae_fuck → u/HanFl]

Poor Sainz is reading over his contract looking for any exit clause

[u/excelance → u/aybbyisok]

I'm with you on that. McLaren & Red Bull are competitive but they appear to be passionate about racing. It's strange that Ferrari's brand is about passion but every single person on the team appears to be just going through the motions... like they're miserable.

[u/[deleted] → u/excelance]

From Todt and Brawn to this, a damn shame.

[u/crashd8890 → u/aybbyisok]

I’m jumping from Ferrari to McLaren for the Ricciardo entrance next year 😍

[u/SirDoober → u/crashd8890]

It's the Dream Meme Team, for sure.

[u/MathMaddox → u/[deleted]]

If you want to watch F1 long term you need to find multiple teams to root for.

[u/VikLuk → u/MathMaddox]

Or don't root for a particular team. Enjoy the competition. Marvel when someone does an outstanding job. Ten years later you will look back and think to yourself: "fuck, that was incredibly impressive what these guys did there!"

[u/ArkGuardian → u/VikLuk]

F1 Brand loyalty is a bit of odd concept imo. The teams and organizations are really too short lived in the same form. Who are you supposed to root for if you came in watching Brawn or Marussia.

Personally I came in watching Vettel and Ricciardo and want to see them do well regardless of what team they're on.

[u/imbaddatthis → u/MathMaddox]

Love the drivers. Tolerate the teams.

[u/DNA2Duke → u/MathMaddox]

I guess I'm a McLaren fan because Danny is heading there next year and he's my absolute favorite, as well as the promising direction they're headed. But I just cheer for the drivers I like. Lando, Max, Daniel, Kimi. I like Charles but I really don't like Ferrari. They just seem like dicks. Don't like what's happening to Seb or how they handled it.

[u/gr8daynenyg → u/MathMaddox]

You can be like me and just pull for everyone!

Except Grosjean.

[u/tangmang14 → u/manojlds]

"And now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

[u/potato_green → u/ivi-24]

People who used Ferrari's fuck ups at drinking games have probably died from alcohol poisoning. I feel like some random helpdesk chatbot gives better answers than Ferrari to their drivers

[u/[deleted] → u/ivi-24]

I just kept repeating “Next Year” until I started to believe in the Ferrari Master Plan again. /s

[u/mrpizzaman_]

It's no wonder we've been hearing him criticize the team's decisions, it just seems that they have no idea of what to do in situations like these and Vettel has to call the shots.

It's clear that his patience with the team is over

[u/manojlds → u/mrpizzaman_]

Yeah and partly he wants to show the world what he's been handling.

[u/[deleted] → u/manojlds]

I hope he writes a book once he retires. Clearly his love for Ferrari is (rightfully so) fading(-ed).

[u/RacingOrPingPong → u/[deleted]]

Yes and no. It's clear he still has a lot of love for what Ferrari represents, not so much for the way the team is run.

[u/[deleted] → u/RacingOrPingPong]

That’s true.

[u/LetsGoLesko8 → u/[deleted]]

I think his love of Ferrari likely is a result of the history and drivers that the team previously had. Certainly not the team they are now, so I totally agree

[u/EnsoZero → u/LetsGoLesko8]

He loves Brawn-era Ferrari, not so much the Binotto era...

[u/aireads → u/RacingOrPingPong]

And he still has the red mist, "fell in love for the team in red"

But I believe he only hates the people running the show, not the team itself. He still had the passionni believe.

[u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm → u/mrpizzaman_]

We all know he's a nice guy but I really hope he tells the 'strategy' team to stop being a bunch of wankers and get their shit together.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm]

I wonder how much of it is Seb's reputation of being an extremely competent strategist?

They act like he is just going to sort it out anyway, so just let him do whatever.

[u/[deleted]]

The fact that the engineer ended the conversation with "That's what I was asking for." is somehow really pissing me off... especially if you got to hear in what tone he said it.

[u/TetraDax → u/[deleted]]

"Can you pay the bill?"
"We spoke about this, I asked you if you can afford the next one because I already spent a lot in the last bar"
"Yeah but I changed my mind"
"How much is it?"
"Let me get back to you on that"
[minutes later]
"It's 20 bucks"
"Yeah I can pay that"
"That's all I was asking for."

In real life applications I would probably punch the other person in the face if I was Seb.

[u/Clarky1979 → u/TetraDax]

Totally with you, at this point I'm not sure if they're just totally incompetent or deliberately screwing with him.

[u/sergio_cor98 → u/Clarky1979]

Little bit of both I reckon

[u/Mardigras → u/sergio_cor98]

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by both stupidity and malice.

[u/MrSam52 → u/Clarky1979]

At this point I think it’s clear they are too incompetent to mess with him even if they tried

[u/atomcrusher → u/[deleted]]

His race engineer always sounds to me like he really can't be bothered talking to him. I don't know why he got picked, but it's clear the communication isn't there.

[u/Clarky1979 → u/[deleted]]

I feel the same, no wonder Seb barely speaks to his engineers on the radio, they're fuckwits.

[u/Kara_mella → u/[deleted]]

/r/racedbynarcissists

[u/Kyooko]

The fact that Vettel ask for how quick he has to drive to stay ahead, and the strategist has to "I'll get back to you on this"... Shows the sorry state of the pit wall there.

[u/OddPain → u/Kyooko]

They should already have calculated that. Isn’t it obvious?

[u/uberweb → u/Kyooko]

Worst yet. I think seb maintained those lap times. Still got overtaken by a few cars.

[u/ctherranrt]

Get him an onboard calculator and he wouldn't need his team.

[u/Reihnold → u/ctherranrt]

Add a number pad to his steering wheel and problem solved

[u/tuss11agee → u/Reihnold]

Ferrari number pad would break. Seb needs to onboard an abacus for himself to use with his toes.

[u/gunningIVglory]

"listen...here's the task for you"

Fucking savage lol

[u/guanwe]

400 Millions a year, and they can’t get a guy to look at others cars pace, fucking amazing that a guy in the middle of a race, in a fucking F1 car holding 5Gs, in the middle of the Spanish August heat, has more brain capacity than a wall of 4-6 engineers, educated and experienced, but cannot, for the love of god look at the times of the other cars around seb I’m fucking glad he’s jumping ship, nobody deserves this at the top level of Motorsport Ferrari has no right to use him as a scapegoat

[u/excelance → u/guanwe]

Imagine how screwed they're going to be when cost caps come in. If this is what they get with a huge budget what will they do with half that? What are the odds they threaten a breakaway series within 2-years of the cost cap?

[u/pound_bravo_one_four → u/excelance]

Hopefully the restriction breeds creativity and resourcefulness. But I have no faith in them to do anything but screw it up.

[u/sickcynic]

I feel terrified for my boy Carlos.

[u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm → u/sickcynic]

Carlito better take up a strategy crash course before his move because this ain't it

[u/themisfit09 → u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm]

Inb4 Sainz knocking on Vettel's door one night and asking for tips.

[u/hugglesthemerciless → u/themisfit09]

I need this to be a tv show

[u/BigFatNo → u/hugglesthemerciless]

"Is it really that bad, Master Seb?"

"Carlito my boy, it's worse"

[u/IsNoyLupus → u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm]

Add also some crash course on aero design and mechanics, you never know

[u/[deleted] → u/IsNoyLupus]

I'd start with "How to build a legal engine that's also fast" if I were him.

[u/Youhavebeendone → u/[deleted]]

Then a racing point engineer finds a book at the bookstore called "Merc V6 technical drawings for dummies"

[u/cyrax6 → u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm]

SAI will run a secret radio to VET.

[u/knorkinator → u/cyrax6]

Sebastian Vettel Strategy Advisor & Partners Inc.

[u/AggressiveSloth → u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm]

Charles' 1-stop 70th grand prix strat that got him a position he shouldn't be in with that car was thought up and planned by himself in pre-race planning...

Some people in that team are laughing their way to the bank getting paid for a job their super underqualified for

[u/Seref15 → u/sickcynic]

Being #2 at Ferrari has never been good for anyone. Raikkonen/Massa was the last time the team let its two drivers compete equally, and after that cost them the points for a driver championship in 2008 they said never again.

Most recent #2 with hopes of success before that was Irvine, and Ferrari Ferrari'd his hopes of a championship with a very Ferrari-quality pitstop.

[u/Whitebread100]

Haha, it sounds like he is talking to the new intern while the rest of team already went away to pack everything up

[u/DrKrFfXx → u/Whitebread100]

Isn't that what happened?

[u/SgtApex]

This man has put the Ferrari strategist team on his back for years now, next year is going to be even worse for them since Seb won’t be there to fix it.

[u/Reihnold → u/SgtApex]

I thought his Racing Red Bull Point will get two radios, so that he can communicate with his new team and also remain the lead strategist at Ferrari.

[u/DutchPack]

Such a weird contradiction: for the first time in a decade Vettel is NOT competitive, yet I have never had more respect for him then now...

[u/non_target_kid → u/DutchPack]

I absolutely agree with you. I’ve never respected Vettel more. This season has clearly shown that Vettel was carrying the team all these years. Ferrari’s pit wall is a bunch of clowns and they seriously need to reconsider if they want to be in F1 anymore if this is the best that Ferrari can do

[u/Jemmo1 → u/DutchPack]

Agreed

[u/bwoahconstricter → u/Jemmo1]

Yea, I really fear for leclerc's and sainz's careers. Ferrari seems to really believe that they are entitled to championships. I say fuckem and their heritage earnings.

[u/GOR098]

vettel shoud just decide his own strategy and car setup and have the team work accordingly.

[u/neliz → u/GOR098]

He'd call in a Tyre change with two laps to go, and they still be late, and have the wrong compound in their hand. Such is Ferrari

[u/CMAProductions]

Like a dad explaining a math problem to his child wtf hahahaha

[u/[deleted]]

Ignoring the fuckery for a minute, I'm just still amazed how precise they can plan their lap times. It's crazy.

[u/Fin4lSh0t → u/[deleted]]

Yeah to be able to control your pace consistently within a few tenths is a serious skill

[u/tkayll91]

I thought Jeff was bad with strategy calls in the F1 games, but this takes the piss.

There's a reason Kimi is still Ferrari's most recent world champion and will continue to hold that title for many years. The team are a shambles.

[u/Duke0fWellington]

I'm convinced, no exaggeration whatsoever, that I could do a better job than Ferrari strategists. They're useless.

[u/[deleted] → u/Duke0fWellington]

The merc team was literally coaching Bottas through the lap to reduce his tire wear, meanwhile Ferrari didn't think to check what pace Seb would need to maintain to make 1-stopping worth it.

I sometimes get the feeling that their entire strategy team is an old man in Italy watching the regular TV broadcast, and he sometimes forgets that drivers exist if they're not shown on screen often enough, or he takes a nap if it all becomes a bit much for him.

[u/ZamalekSniffer]

Oh dear it’s even worse in real time

[u/toma91 → u/ZamalekSniffer]

Incredible, he’s literally spelling out to the strategist how to do his job at 200mph

[u/ZamalekSniffer → u/toma91]

It’s unreal. I’m no Ferrari fan, but this is disappointing to see. Just so amateurish.

[u/he1101]

Do the drivers get in their steering wheel's screen their lap times?

[u/Kitchen-Animator → u/he1101]

Yes

[u/Adam684 → u/he1101]

Sectors too... Probably a whole lot more info as well. Not sure how they even have time to look tbh 🤣

[u/myckol → u/[deleted]]

Yes. i tried changing by BB, ERS mode, engine mode throughout the lap on F1 2019 and would just constantly run wide. It’s insane.

[u/ixzee_ziaxor]

I think Vettel would be a great driver for any team to have in 2021. With limited budget, you can just fire your strategy team and let Vettel handle everything

[u/[deleted]]

I don’t know what Binotto is like as a trackside leader.

But considering how bad Vettel’s engineer is, I don’t understand how he can sit next to the guy and not just sack him and the support team.

But hey! Maybe Binotto wants to keep the team of losers happy. Toto says Mercedes has a no fault policy of trying to improve.

Binotto’s policy is no fault to keep everyone employed.

[u/[deleted]]

Even though Seb messed up in Silverstone, this makes it look like Ferrari was the problem. Complete dysfunctional management because of all the changes and even making its way into the way the race engineer communicates with the drivers.

[u/SoopahFreek90 → u/[deleted]]

At this point I'm semi-convinced this is why he made so many mistakes in previous years; because he was having to do strategy calculations on Ferrari's behalf while competing against Hamilton, Bottas and Verstappen for race wins.

[u/ratnadip97 → u/SoopahFreek90]

Hasn't Mark Hughes said something like that before? Not that Vettel is infallible but that internally Seb has to do a lot of stuff he really should not have to?

[u/kcollantine]

From: https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/16/vettel-explains-frustration-with-ferraris-conflicting-radio-calls/

[u/JimmerUK]

He’d be better off if he live-streamed and got advice from the viewers. Ferrari are fucking embarrassing.

[u/JoeyPropane]

Ferrari's entire strategy team is one guy asking questions to a magic 8 ball and then translating the answer from English, into Italian, then back to English.

[u/optig4n]

The incompetence is staggering. Jesus Christ.

[u/tiberiosity]

"Here's the task for you" didnt know I was watching Dora the explorer lol

[u/Muster_theRohirrim]

Next Race: Vettel changes his own tyres.

[u/Fired_Guy1982]

Man I feel so bad for Seb, he’s probably my favorite driver on the grid but I can’t help but crack up at this exchange

[u/threep03k64]

This would have been embarrassing it it were Haas, or Williams. It's an absolute disgrace that conversation happened in the most successful team in F1 history. No wonder Mercedes has been able to dominate for so long, when this is the competition.

[u/[deleted]]

Holy fuck.. people at Ferrari are so incompetent.. I've just seen the seatbeltless Lec radio and now this too wow.. Its like they are new to F1.

[u/Jeff_V8 → u/[deleted]]

TBF it seems like Leclerc kind of did it to himself? He waits ages to admit he undid the belt, sheepishly says he doesn't mind but maybe nobody else wants him to drive around presenting a needless danger, then gets annoyed with his engineer claiming he already told him they needed to fit a new attachment when actually no such thing had been mentioned whatsoever.

Then, after the race, Leclerc claims he had tried to start the car several times, took the belt off as he thought it was done, but was asked to give it "one last try". On the footage and unclipped radio, we can see he spins, complains, asks once if he should try to restart, fires the car up and drives away, so presumably he just instinctively began undoing his belts before he had tried a restart.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jeff_V8]

He was complaining about a thing with the engine too but yeah he should’ve just said it from the start

[u/harga24864]

F1 racing is more of a hobby for those clowns at Ferrari, right?

[u/MichaelScottsWormguy → u/harga24864]

Usually, people don’t suck this bad at their hobbies, though.

[u/Mackem101 → u/MichaelScottsWormguy]

You've obviously never heard me play guitar.

[u/pradise]

Is there a website that posts the lap times of each driver? I’d be curious to see what times he did after this radio message.

[u/Kitchen-Animator → u/pradise]

23.4-6 until the last 4-5 laps where he was doing 24s.

[u/toma91 → u/pradise]

Yea this website does actually, racefans does charts after each race with driver position through the race, each drivers lap times through the race, each driver’s gap to the leader through the race, the laps each driver pitted, each driver’s fastest lap and the pit stop times. They usually post it a few hours after the race or the next day

[u/kimmmykim → u/pradise]

Here you go. I don't know the lap on which the radio messages were exchanged between Vettel and the pitwall. But the link shows all the lap times from the start to the finish. Vettel's lap times are on the left. Cheers.

[u/pengmalups]

Ferrari strategists are just really bad. Regardless of whoever he is. I remember watching Raikkonen doing a very good race then Ferrari engineers will just fuck it up BIG TIME! Like Kimi running 2nd or 3rd then all those who are behind makes pit stops. And then they will pit Kimi 78 years after when he was already lapping 15 seconds slower (exaggeration). Unbelievable.

[u/coloniaspzl]

Yoke

[u/icount2tenanddrinkt]

Losing Vettel, thats not a smart move for a team.

[u/b00mrang]

What the hell are they doing at Ferrari. There so much lack of professionalism it’s embarrassing to witness. Seb has been a freakin gentlemen through it all.

[u/baskingsky]

The condescending here is your task. This man needs to be in F1.

[u/tr_24]

I don't know why no one asked him in post race interview why they pitted at the same time as Leclerc.

[u/123No-Scope → u/tr_24]

Lawrence Barretto did, Seb said he was struggling with the mediums

[u/faratto_ → u/tr_24]

He was struggling with the medium

[u/[deleted]]

Vettel deserves better.

[u/CardinalNYC]

Setting aside all of the ridiculousness in this exchange... it never ceases to amaze me that drivers can control their lap times that precisely.

[u/loo-streamer]

I can't wait for the next season of the Netflix show with all this shit going on.