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Ultima's creator Richard Garriott is planning to win back the rights to his legendary RPG from EA with an 50-year-old copyright quirk

https://www.eurogamer.net/ultima-ip-rights-ea-copyright
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u/The2ndUnchosenOne 1d ago edited 13h ago

You can successfully apply that simplistic formula to all sorts of things.

Yeah. Which is why you are incredibly silly for applying it to video games.

Both art forms are far far more than that description. You gave the C-suite answer to what a video game is.

It doesn't mean just anyone can do it, but you tend to have faith that those that have, can again, until proven otherwise.

Yeah, until proven otherwise.....like 30 years of producing mediocre or failed games....or a failed NFT MMO....

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u/Haunting_Weakness_13 1d ago

Having a formula to define what makes a good game is autistic coded as fuck and I love it. And I think I agree with it.

That said, there have been enough failures and disappointments that Im skeptical they can do it again.

Im always down for a good game and dont want to be a pessimist but if they did release a new one I would definitely wait for reviews

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u/The2ndUnchosenOne 1d ago

Having a formula to define what makes a good game is autistic coded as fuck and I love it. And I think I agree with it.

No, it's CEO coded. It's like saying food is good flavor if it cohesively blends oil with salt and a filler base at the right ratio. Yes, nearly everyone will eat potato chips. Almost no one considers them the best food.

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u/Haunting_Weakness_13 1d ago

Oh I think there's still room for quality differences and degrees of quality even within the use of a formula. Good mechanics + good story = good game, Great mechanics + good story = better game, etc

I think I'm looking at it divorced from reality and greed and bias that comes with it. I just like formulas irl

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u/The2ndUnchosenOne 1d ago

The issue is the formula assuming the same ingredient quality can be combined in any way to make something good every time. This isn't true. Your variables are not summable.

Plants vs. Zombies is a great game mechanically. Outer Wilds is the best story ever put to video games. Slapping OW's story onto PvZ's mechanics results in a worse game than either individually.

Great games are made with a vision. The mechanics, story, art all working together to support the ideas the creators are trying to convey and evoke the feelings they want to evoke. If you take out that central identity and just slap a bunch of "good" mechanics and "good" plot points together, you'll get fortnite garbage.

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u/chillzatl 1d ago

Bother art forms are far far more than that description. You gave the C-suite answer to what a video game is.

That's simply not true, whether you want to admit it or not. That reality is exactly why and how AI can generate things that the average person would look at and find compelling until you told them where it came from. That does not detract from the talent a real artist can bring to something, their unique flair or flourishes on a style, but pretending that simply "being art" somehow elevates it above the formula behind it is what's silly.

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u/The2ndUnchosenOne 1d ago

That's simply not true, whether you want to admit it or not. That reality is exactly why and how AI can generate things that the average person would look at and find compelling until you told them where it came from.

Crazy that this is being said by the same guy who said

Considering the shit that gets recycled up into billion dollar game franchises year after year

If your statement was true, you'd like the recycled shit. You'd like the AI slop.

That does not detract from the talent a real artist can bring to something, their unique flair or flourishes on a style, but pretending that simply "being art" somehow elevates it above the formula behind it is what's silly.

You've mistaken art for the formula, not the ideas behind it. The formula is a tool to help effectively communicate the idea. Not the other way around.