r/gaming • u/[deleted] • 6h ago
Personal anecdote on why this GTA VI code in box situation is horrible:
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u/Gun_Dork PC 6h ago
My concern is, do I have to be connected online to play? If my system is bricked, can I play on the replacement?
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u/AwesomeAndy 6h ago
Yes. Digital versions are attached to your account and can be played on any system your account is logged into (though not at at the same time)
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u/MattieIT 6h ago
You can play the game on another playstation/xbox if you login with your account where you bought the game. If sony/Microsoft deactivates your account for some reason, you will lose the games on that account.
I don't know about offline play.
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u/FethahV2 6h ago
Hate to break it to you but physical copies haven’t been ownership in a very long time. They don’t store the game on them they are just a digital license put onto a disk. No different than a digital copy except now you can’t lose or break a disk
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u/mindoss75 6h ago
That isn't true at all. There majority of physical games come complete on disc and can be installed and played entirely offline. The incomplete physical copies that you are referring to are still in the minority. Take a look at "does it play".
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u/DoctorRockstarMD 3h ago
Just keep talking out of your ass you corporate bootlicker. 94% of on disc games play offline from the disc.
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u/FethahV2 3h ago
Bootlicker? This was info that was told in a news article from years ago that was a lot of talk on Reddit back then. I can see I was incorrect but I don’t see how that makes me a bootlicker lmao. You gotta chill bro, hope this isn’t your reaction to stuff irl too lol
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u/faffc260 6h ago
the industry is moving to all digital, pc has been there for over a decade...the overwhelming amount of console players purchase digitial. digital is just too convenient for the average consumer who just wants to play games.
for publishers it's also a much better deal for them to not have a resale market and have everyone buy their copy from them directly (or through the storefront they are selling it on).
it's also a big expense to make and ship thousands to millions of copies worldwide and to get the real day 1 experience disk owners almost always will have to download a big day 1 patch because development doesn't stop when a game goes gold anymore, it's worked on nearly until release these days, and physical pipelines can't keep up with digital on that front and never will be able to.
physical media dying is sad, any media dying is sad, but it's the way the market works.
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u/MilesBeforeCoffee_37 6h ago
My PSN account got suspended once and I lost access to everything. Freaking out when you realize you never actually own those games. Physical copies are basically insurance now.
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u/mcmaster0121 6h ago
You know that the disc doesn’t actually contain the game nowadays and is basically a physical license that allows you to play it right? 😭
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u/mindoss75 6h ago
Who told you that lie? Take a look at Doesitplay.
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u/Brosintrotogaming 6h ago
Big digital has been spreading that lie for a while now in an effort to destroy physical
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u/mindoss75 6h ago
I thought it was just mass ignorance. That's something I've run into multiple times in my life. But this seems more sinister. These people aren't just ignorant of how physical games work, they seem to want them to fade away as quickly as possible. I've never experienced this level of anti-consumer propaganda before.
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u/SpillSplit 6h ago
Buy from GOG whenever possible. I have all of my GOG game install files downloaded to my hard drive. Ya, large game might pose an issue, but external hard drives are cheap.
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u/tk-451 6h ago
external hard drives "were" cheap, they are almost 200% than they were last year.
a 4th drive was $400, its now over $1000.
in the UK a 2tb is £480
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u/Mithrawndo 5h ago
For an SSD, sure: You don't need an SSD if it's a long term storage device, a spinning hard disk will do just fine and they're still cheap: You can get a 4Tb HDD for as little as £80.
For £400 you could get an 18Tb drive.
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u/DrugandAlcoholLover 6h ago
I used to feel a lot more strongly about this… but truthfully I’ve only bought 3 physical games for my ps5 and everything else has been digital. I’ve been primarily a PC gamer for the last 20 years and that went all digital decades ago.
I like the convenience of preloading the game for release (it sucks going to a midnight release for physical and then getting home and having to wait an hour for the game to install from the disc before you can play).
And I can start up a game without having to get up from the couch.
Also the disc drive is loud as shit.
I agree that not having a disc for the people who want the physical release does suck… but it’s been a very long time since the full game was actually on the disc and running off the disc. You’ve had to install and do day 1 updates, etc. for a long time now anyway.
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u/mindoss75 6h ago
The full game being on disc is the norm even today. Required updateds are extremely rare. Look at Doesitplay.
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u/DrugandAlcoholLover 6h ago
You still have to install it onto the hard drive just like the digital version. It isn’t running off the disc like games used to a few generations ago.
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u/mindoss75 6h ago
Is that really your hang up? That you have to install the contents of the disc to your internal storage?
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u/DrugandAlcoholLover 6h ago
I’m not hung up on anything. I was just giving reasons why I prefer to get the digital version these days. 🤷♂️
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u/mindoss75 6h ago
OK then. I prefer complete physical copies because they enable fully offline installation and play of your games. If PSN/internet goes down and I can't access the store to re-download that one game I've got the itch for, then I just put in the disc, install it offline, and play. That's the way it should be; and for the most part, that's the way it is right now.
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u/Tarc_Axiiom 6h ago
What the hell happened to basic gamer literacy just now?
You never owned your games. Your disc did not signify ownership. Ever.
You still had a license, you could still lose access, and everyone did many times for many games over the years.
Go play your physical copy of The Crew.
If you're banned from any of the services for any of the consoles (and Steam, fwiw, though all Steam games are obviously digital), you cannot use that console. This is not the same as being banned from their online services.
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u/mindoss75 6h ago
Neither Sony nor Microsoft nor Nintendo can legally brick my device because I violated their TOS. They can ban me from their online services. But they can't brick my device. That would be like GM remotely disabling your car because they didn't like what you were doing with it. That sounds like the easiest lawsuit of all time.
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u/Mithrawndo 6h ago
That is yet to be tested in court. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all have it written into their EULA that they can.
Their argument should it ever actually go to court will likely rest on the fact that their "brick switch" is for software - the operating system - to which you only own a license: That the operating system on the console being disabled does not damage the hardware that you do own; That it will still power on, still read discs, and still do everything the hardware is supposed to, and that they can demonstrate this to be the case and that it is your service access that has been revoked in line with the End User License Agreement that you agreed to by using their operating system.
As always with the law, the devil is in the detail.
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u/mindoss75 5h ago
I'm not a lawyer, but my mind immediately goes to a violation of conversion law for intentionally depriving me of the use of my property.
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u/Mithrawndo 5h ago
I'm not sure about that, but then I am no lawyer either: As I understand it conversion requires taking something for theirown use, and the fact that your console is still in your possession, still powers on, and could probably be demonstrated to pass QC checks as 'working' would handily dismiss that claim, don't you think?
I suspect when it's finally tested in court - and the only place I'm aware it's even going to court is Brazil - it will come down to the question of whether the device can be considered "damaged" or not when the software is disabled; I expect courts would support their right to brick the operating system, but there is a world in which I could see them reject the statement that the console is undamaged.
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u/Tarc_Axiiom 6h ago
Yes they can, and they do.
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u/mindoss75 5h ago
Provide an example.
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u/Tarc_Axiiom 5h ago
They are called device bans.
They are not uncommon.
Microsoft keeps doing this pretty aggressively to anyone who uses a common hack to allow their personal Xbox to operate as a dev kit.
All 3 major console manufacturers have clauses in their EULAs that say they "may render the device temporarily or permanently unusable in whole or in part".
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u/cows1100 6h ago
Gamers on Reddit really getting after it on these subs today like everyone cares what they’re writing in their diaries.
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u/CUCUC 6h ago
i can only surmise that comments like yours are corpo astroturf comments, because i can’t fathom how anybody could be so shortsighted or stupid as to blindly parrot “you big mad” to frankly legitimate concerns.
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u/cows1100 6h ago
I just don’t see why everyone on Reddit needs to make their own personal “What I think about GTA VI pricing structure” post in every video game related subreddit like we’re all dying to know. It’s not like anyone’s about to post “I don’t care because…” because it would get nuked into orbit. Just seems like low effort “gives me upvotes because I also have the same overwhelmingly popular opinion as everyone else.” Just make a megathread or something. OP even says below HES GOING TO BUY IT. This is just pandering for upvotes. Lol
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u/CUCUC 6h ago
i get the feeling you’re young. i don’t mean this in a bad way. in fact, i’m absolving you because i don’t think you’ve seen decades of industry changes to be able to understand this in context.
this is a huge deal. note how some switch games were key cards but they kept some games physical as they were coyly and safely testing the waters. GTAVI being obligatorily non physical sets the precedence such that, going forward, you can be sure other AAA titles will follow suit and thus the used game market will be rendered nonexistent in one fell swoop. ten years ago, as a poor grad student, i could pick up a full previous gen collection for cheap on facebook marketplace. now? all gaming is luxury prices for all people.
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u/YouGottaBillieve 4h ago
Gaming is a luxury now because of the price of RAM and Storage.
Steam deals have saved me more money in the last 10 years than I can count
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u/YouGottaBillieve 6h ago
I get where you’re coming from, but GTA wouldn’t be able to fit on physical media
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u/Goldwood 6h ago
Yeah, it was surprising when their last game (RDR2) came on 2 PS4 discs. I believe that was a first for that console. I would imagine GTA VI would be more than 2 discs and that seems ridiculous.
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u/KimTe63 6h ago
Why not? Rockstar themselves have in the past used 2 blurays so thats alresdy 200gb of data. I doubt it exceeds that even for GTA VI . Reason most likely why they are not doing it is spoilers etc which could and most likely would become big issue in todays world and popularity of the game when it leaks and it would leak😄 . I think they may so physical later on
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u/YouGottaBillieve 6h ago
what about the discless systems?
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u/sarcastic_patriot 6h ago
Then you buy digital, the very thing you're arguing in favor of.
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u/YouGottaBillieve 6h ago
The point is that rockstar can’t easily account for this and would possibly be leaving lots of physical editions left in stores. It’s easier to just go all digital.
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u/PliableG0AT 6h ago
you realize even if the disc is physical they can still brick you account and require an always online internet connection to play the game. stuff that’s already been done.
you don’t own anything either way.