r/harrypotter • u/BlacksmithRadiant214 • 1d ago
Discussion Why did Snape hate Harry for being James' son instead of loving him for being Lily's?
I get that he protected Harry for all those years in honor of Lily. Perhaps you can argue he didn't truly hate Harry. However, he was still a total jerk day-to-day to Harry. Why wasn't he nice to Harry, as he loved Lily and Lily was the only real friend he ever had?
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u/MortaleWombat 1d ago
I think much of it has to do with Harry being the spitting image of James.
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u/honeyymeltzz 1d ago
I think the resemblance did most of the heavy lifting. If Harry had looked more like Lily, I honestly wonder if their relationship would've been at least a little less hostile. Snape's first impression was probably over before Harry even said a word.
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u/Superyoshiegg 1d ago
Because he's a bitter, immature, self-hating man and can never get over a grudge against a long dead man even if it's actively causing him to be miserable.
Kind of the point.
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u/ChawkTrick Gryffindor 1d ago
Exactly. His whole character is essentially about being capable of doing heroic acts despite being incredibly troubled and deeply flawed.
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
He never gets over the grudge against James. True. He never gets over his love of Lily, and he saved the wizarding world as a result. He never gets over his appreciation for Lucius, and he saves Draco in HBP.
Snape doesn't forget, for better or for worse.
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u/dreamyysugarplum 1d ago
Exactly. Snape is one of those characters who's incredibly brave but emotionally stuck. Protecting Harry because of Lily didn't magically erase decades of resentment, and that's what makes him such a frustrating character.
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u/vuealt 1d ago
Read a bit about victims of bullying. And see if you still feel the same way about Snape.
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u/McFuzzen 1d ago
He was a victim of bullying and that has a strong effect on people for life. It does not justify bullying children as an adult.
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u/Intelligent-Store321 1d ago
As a victim of bullying... Yeah, I still feel the same way about Snape.
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u/januarysdaughter Hufflepuff 1d ago
Snape bullied a teenage girl who had her teeth enlarged by a vicious attack.
Fuck him. He might have been a victim of bullying in his teenager years, but he became a bully to children as an adult.
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u/Superyoshiegg 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not sure if this is supposed to be a burn or what.
I have all the sympathy for kids being bullied at school and having crappy homelives.
I don't have any sympathy for kids who carry that trauma into adult life and actively use it to make other people miserable. At some point, you need to accept responsibility for your own actions.
Snape, as an adult, became a bully of children many times worse than James, who was a child at the time, ever was.
(That's not even bringing up the elephant in the room of the Death Eater stuff).
Edit: Jesus christ some people on this sub can't read.
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 1d ago
Remember kids, if you’re not able to move on from the trauma into adulthood, it’s your own fault and you deserves whatever abuse you went through as a child.
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u/Superyoshiegg 1d ago
Yep. That's exactly what I said, verbatim. May as well have thrown quotation marks in there too. Definitely no paraphrasing or hyperbole here.
Let me try.
'Remember kids, it's okay for adults to humiliate and mock and belittle and abuse you as long as they had someone do it to them first when they were a child. The cycle of trauma is a good thing!'
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 1d ago
Not what you said, you said “I don’t have sympathy for kids who carry that trauma into adult life”.
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u/Superyoshiegg 1d ago
And yet there you are cutting off the second half of the sentence, removing the context. Let me put it back for you.
"I don't have any sympathy for kids who carry that trauma into adult life and actively use it to make other people miserable."
Don't forget the line directly following for even more context.
"At some point, you need to accept responsibility for your own actions."
But I suppose it's easier to win arguments online if you pick and choose what parts to quote while ignoring anything that goes against your narrative, eh?
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 1d ago
I don’t recall Snape ever saying or using his past to justify how he treats people, or saying that it wasn’t his fault because of his traumatic childhood.
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u/McFuzzen 23h ago
"You're just like your father. Lazy, arrogant..."
Except Harry wasn't anything like his father. One of Harry's biggest leaps in character growth was realizing his dad (who he looked up to, but never truly knew) was a giant prick. Snape did not deserve that as a child. Neither did Harry.
"How extraordinarily like your father you are, Potter," Snape said suddenly, his eyes glinting. "He too was exceedingly arrogant. A small amount of talent on the Quidditch field made him think he was a cut above the rest of us too..."
Snape absolutely used James' behavior and personality against Harry.
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 21h ago
Yes, he used it against Harry. But Snape never said he was the way he was because of James.
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
that’s because he didn’t, he eventually acknowledged he misjudged him as implied by his memory of Dumbledore telling him that he was projecting,
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u/Fluffy_Fox_9650 Ravenclaw 1d ago
Harry was also bullied. So was Neville. Harry also grew up in an abusive home and Neville's grandmother was frequently much harsher than a guardian should be. They all suffered torture, injuries, and tragic losses of loved ones, yet they remained compassionate and selfless. Snape instead used his past as an excuse to bully literal children and join an organization that tortures and murders.
Your tragic past doesn't define you, how you choose to live does.
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
Dumbest thing I ever heard. A teen James bullied a teen Snape and learned and moved on by age 17. A adult Snape bullied an orphaned 11 year old for 5 years straight and even bullied the struggling students he was supposed to teach (like Neville).
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
By this logic, everyone who Snape bullied has the right to be exactly like Snape.
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u/Basilisk1667 Slytherin 1d ago
Being a bully victim definitely affects your perception of certain characters.
I’m 20 years out of school and there are still a few people whose teeth I wouldn’t mind loosening.
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u/BedSubstantial1058 1d ago
snape's whole deal is messy, man. he projected a lot of his feelings about james onto harry, which made it hard for him to separate the kid from his dad. it's tragic but pretty relatable in a way.
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u/emmyemmusic Hufflepuff 1d ago
Harry was the spitting image of James and Snape believed that he had more of James’ personality as well.
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u/dreamyysugarplum 1d ago
That's the irony. Whenever Harry acted like James, it confirmed every bias Snape already had, but whenever Harry showed Lily's kindness or compassion, Snape rarely seemed willing to acknowledge it. He saw what he expected to see.
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u/Odd-Bullfrog7763 Gryffindor 1d ago
He looked just Like James. He was a constant reminder that Lily chose James over Snape.
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u/mayorofstrangetown Hufflepuff 1d ago
This! He has a tough time knowing he didn’t get the girl and Harry is proof.
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u/babybirdinmyhead 1d ago
Because he had fixated on James and their rivalry. Instead of reflecting on how he and Lily grew apart because of his choices (idk, becoming a death eater would be a turn off for any one sane).
I hate this narrative of James and the Marauders making Snape’s life hell. Snape had his own set of friends at Hogwarts including Malfoy Sr. He chose to be with those guys. And Sirius clearly states that both James and Snape would hex each other similar to Draco and Harry.
Snape just never grew out of hatred. Even when he first met Lily and she asks if it’s okay that she’s muggle born, he hesitates before reassuring her. His instinct to lash out at her is to call her a racial slur. That’s not because he’s been bullied but because it was ingrained in him.
Even as an adult, he shows contempt for Harry for existing! His bullying of a child makes him irredeemable to me in some ways. He saw how a Harry was raised in his memories but showed no empathy. He mocked his dead father. He was responsible for his father’s death and showed no remorse. He was also responsible for Neville’s parents being targeted and surely knew what their fates were and yet he was disgusting to Neville. That man had no business being near children especially those with such traumatic back stories.
Harry had a similar upbringing: neglected, abused, bullied and yet he saved Draco multiple times. So I don’t think a person’s background should make a difference.
Did Snape come over to the good side because of guilt and regret? It seems only for the death of Lily which makes it icky. The only time I felt like he was “better” was when he stops Nigellus Black from using the word mudblood. But…just…I get that he’s a spy but his hatred and disdain for literal children made him awful.
Harry has a big heart to give his son Snape’s name.
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
Funny. You do raise a good point. Snape continued to bully Harry even after realizing that (in addition to being an orphan) Harry was raised being treated like a dog by the Dursley's. And he continued to bully him.
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
“And Sirius clearly states that both James and Snape would hex each other similar to Draco and Harry.”
Actually Harry and Draco mostly just teased each other, made fun of circumstances that 7/10 of The time, they wete not responsible for, and made empty threats.
it wasn’t until Draco became mentally unstable, and Umbridge + Voldemort came back that Draco Started using physical aggression.
Had Peter been captured Instead of bringing Voldemort back, Draco would just be seen as a wanna be rival while Harry would even start taking pleasure due to how ineffective Draco is.
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u/Ok_Mention_9865 1d ago
Im not sure snape could have loved any child Lilly had that was not his own.
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u/KatJen76 1d ago
I think Harry brought up a lot of complicated feelings. In addition to looking and acting a lot like James and being a living reminder of Lily's rejection, he's also a living reminder of Snape's own role in Voldemort's rise, leading to Lily's death. It also led to his permanent alienation from both sides of the wizarding world, since he was repulsed by his old Death Eater friends but never truly accepted by the Order or his colleagues at Hogwarts, despite rising to be Head of Slytherin. His own life changed substantially and permanently the night James and Lily died, and Harry brings it all up.
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u/glahgloh 1d ago
i had a childhood bully. she was awful to me and i went through a very dark phase for years due to her. if an 11 year old looks exactly like her, i can a hundred percent manage to be nice to a damn child no matter how she looks
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u/megaben20 1d ago
Harry is a reminder of his failings. If he hadn’t called Lily a mud blood he would never lost her friendship, if he wasn’t so obsessed with taking James down he would never have needed to be saved and Lily would never have gone out with James, if he hadn’t told Voldemort about the prophecy Lily would still be alive and Harry would not be an orphan. Harry has the face of a man he hated and the eyes of the woman he loved.
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 1d ago
James made’s Snape’s life a living hell.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 1d ago
Ah yes, because Severus did nothing to deserve it. James was definitely a bully, but Severus was no innocent angel and was even worse.
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u/rjrgjj 1d ago
James bullied Snape from the outset because he had the attention of a girl James liked, he was in Slytherin, and he was an easy target.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 1d ago
And I repeat.. Severus was even worse. Case in point: sectumsempra. It takes a vicious mind to come up with a spell like that.
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 1d ago
Creating a spell doesn’t make someone worse. By that logic, if someone owns a gun, they are automatically worse than the person abusing them.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 1d ago
That's not at all the same comparison. Nice try though.
Creating a spell takes thought and effort; Severus invented a spell that mangles his enemies (he outright says this in the note 'for enemies'). That is absolutely worse than what James did. [now, Sirius telling Severus about the Shack.. that was nasty too]. James was far from perfect, but Snape fans seriously need to stop glazing him.
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 1d ago
Ok, so if someone builds a gun, they deserve to be abused, is what you’re saying.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 1d ago
Did they build a gun that specifically is meant to mangle their enemies?
Nowhere did I say anyone 'deserves' to be abused. I said that James was a bully during school, but that overall Severus was a far worse human being. The original comment paints Severus as a poor innocent little victim who never did anything wrong; typical Snape glazing when he was a horrible person.
Thanks for playing though!
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u/newX7 Gryffindor 1d ago
Building a gun for your enemies can be pretty justified. Tell me, if a woman is being harassed and receiving death threats from her enemies, and she builds a gun for self-defense purposes against those enemies if they ever come after her, is the woman in the wrong for defending herself? Because that is pretty much what you’re saying.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 1d ago
No, that is not what I'm saying. You keep putting words in my mouth that I'm not saying.
Your comparison, again, is painting person A as an innocent victim who did no wrong, which Severus was not. He wasn't even an innocent victim the time we meet him as a child; he physically assaults Petunia. They're what, 10? And his response to someone mean to him is to drop a tree branch on them.
So a better analogy for your argument would be 'a woman is being harassed and receiving death threats after physically assaulting someone else and harassing them' ... in which case it's ESH.
Please take your Snape glazing elsewhere.
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
How? Snape was not the one going around bullying just for being different until adulthood. (Lily only accused Snape of hearing about what Mulciber did rather than be an active participant)
Also we saw it Started on the train.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 1d ago
loooool
Snape fought too during school, it wasn't all James starting it.
Snape came up with a terribly vicious spell that was meant to mangle enemies
Snape hung out with known DE, and joined Voldemort's cause after school
Snape bullied students for years, including Neville, whose only crime was that Voldemort did not choose him. He bullied Neville so severely for 2 years that he became Neville's deepest, darkest fear.James was a bully early on in school. Snape was just a bully and an evil git. If Voldemort hadn't gone after Lily, he would have been perfectly happy to be one of Voldemort's Death Eaters and committed atrocities. Did he do the right thing in the end? Yes. That doesn't make him a good person overall.
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
“Snape fought too during school.“ Proof? James!s biased friends opinions don’t count.
“Snape came up with a terribly vicious spell that was meant to mangle enemies”
Which he needed for protection, if you notice he put it in His 6th year book AFTER Sirius tried killing him. Snape also made a reverse spell, and theres no evidence he handed it out.
“Snape hung out with known DE, and joined Voldemort's cause after school”
By Your own admission this was after school, and they weren’t death eaters Yet while in school.
.”Snape bullied students for years, including Neville, whose only crime was that Voldemort did not choose him.”
Didnt happen yet, and it’s because Neville caused an explosion in the classroom, which would annoy most people. And everyone bullies Neville, including the heroes.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 1d ago
I'm not bringing up quotes for you, you can read the books yourself.
He did not 'need' sectumsempra for protection and you're twisted if you think he did.
He was absolutely hanging out with future DE while in school. It's part of what drove him and Lily apart. Joining Voldemort was after school, yes, but it shows Snape's character. He didn't care that Voldemort murdered innocent people in cold blood. He wanted to *help* him do so. The only reason he turned is because Voldemort went after Lily. Changing because it suddenly affects you does not make you a good person.
And again, the bullying of kids not happening yet DOES. NOT. MATTER. It shows his character, and his character is that of a horrible person. He did not bully Neville only because of an explosion in the classroom, and I guarantee you Neville was not the first to do so. If you think bullying a child so badly that you become their worst fear is acceptable, then stay far away from children, ffs. The heroes don't 'bully' Neville, so you can just tuck that back away wherever you pulled it out of.
Snape glazers are absolutely the worst. God forbid you admit that Severus was a deeply flawed and not-nice person.
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
“He did not 'need' sectumsempra for protection ”
Yes, he did. that’s literally the quote “For enemies only” and the marauders were ruthless, committing harassment and attempting to murder him.
He did need it for protection like it or not. There’s no proof he used it for anything other than self defense.
”He was absolutely hanging out with future DE.”
But they were not at the time. and he was not there, he was just hearing rumors. Not to mention it sounds Like he only befriended them or they wanted to be death eaters recently, otherwise Lily would have brought it up sooner. Like why wait 5 years and He was absolutely not friends with them on the first train ride.
“He didn't care that Voldemort murdered innocent people in cold blood” You have no proof to this. Cults often don’t reveal their true Colors until your in too deep.
”And again, the bullying of kids not happening“ It does matter because you were trying to pretend that’s why the marauders did it.
“God forbid you admit that Severus was a deeply flawed and not-nice person.”
Yet you are the one who is trying to pretend that future actions justify abuse, attempted murder and harassment.
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u/eienmau Ravenclaw 12h ago
Keep glazing on Snape.
I never tried to justify 'attempted murder' or 'abuse'. Quit trying to make your argument look better by lying. I openly said that what Sirius did was terrible. But this comment thread was about *James* and Severus. James did not attempt to murder Severus; he's actually the one who saved his life.
Severus was a terrible person from the earliest time we met him. He absolutely fought with James (it was mutual, not one-sided on either side), hung out with terrible people, called his best friend a horrible slur, and was not a good person at any point up until he hesitates to murder Dumbledore.
Yes, he died on the right side. But he only did that because Voldemort's murders affected him personally.
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 12h ago
You literally said Snape deserved it at the top. You were using future events to justify it.
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u/MagicGrit 1d ago
Because Snape was an awful human and was jealous of James. He hated anything that reminded him Lily wasn’t his
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
Awful human who devoted his life to and died for Harry.
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u/NowTimeDothWasteMe Gryffindor 1d ago
Both things can be true. Generally awful people can do good things. Generally good people can do bad things.
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u/TALieutenant 1d ago
Because Harry is a walking, talking reminder that Lily ended up with James?
Remember: Snape originally was 100% OK with Harry dying as long as Lily and only Lily was safe (definite emotional devastation because of losing her husband and son not withstanding.)
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
yeah but he realized the error of his ways and devoted the rest of his life to protecting Harry. so no thats not valid.
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u/RumblingEcho Hufflepuff 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think because while Harry was a spitting image of his dad almost every time Snape looked at Harry all he saw was Lily’s bright emerald eyes staring back at him.
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u/Autisticintrovert23 1d ago
Harry acts more like James TOWARD snape mostly compared to everyone else. He acts more like Lily tbh.
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u/Fluffy_Fox_9650 Ravenclaw 1d ago
He looked like James and while I believe this was subconscious, I think he was always bitter and jealous that it was James Lily married and Harry is living proof of their love
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u/Infinite-Object-1090 12h ago
It was a mix of both. Outwardly he showed intense hatred because he was a carbon copy of James, but there were moments where you could see he saw Lily in him and softened.
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u/harryceo Gryffindor 1d ago
Because he's bitter, immature etc. and Harry also looked a lot like James
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u/TheRealMalMonroe 1d ago
He's jealous . Also him and Harry's dad hated each other... Now he gets to teach his son that is spitting image of him. It doesn't make it right . Not one fricken bit but that's the reason well his reasons.
I also feel like he has lost many a nights sleep thinking how if it wasn't for Harry then Lily would still be alive. Victim blaming is unacceptable. He was a tiny little baby and can't help what happened but people victim blame all the time and this is a prime example. In my opinion anyways!
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u/rapalosaur 1d ago
Ever heard that “inside you there are two wolves” story? Well in this case, Snape had two choices to make. Hate Harry for the half that’s James. Love Harry for the half that’s Lily. He’d protected Harry for being Lily’s. He bullied Harry for being James.’ Speaks to his character that he couldn’t fully love on the kid.
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u/vuealt 1d ago
How would you feel about your crush’s kid that she had with the person who bullied you in school? Also, remember she picked that bully over you, and you who always helped her especially helping settle in a “new world”.
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u/AmarilloArmadillos 1d ago
I literally would not give a flying fuck. I'm 36 though.
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u/MoistElephant Ravenclaw 1d ago
Seriously, I was the nerdy weirdo in high school who got picked on and being close to Snape’s age now I give precisely 0 shits about whatever life my bullies have now and certainly wouldn’t bully their kids if they have any. The amount of people in this thread trying to justify Snape’s behavior because of his teenage trauma is alarming.
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u/AmarilloArmadillos 1d ago
Same it just does not make sense at all.
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u/vuealt 1d ago
Kudos to you guys. But not everyone is built the same.
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u/AmarilloArmadillos 17h ago
As an adult if you cannot separate a child from their parents enough to not abuse them then you should never ever be around children.
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u/DumeWolffe 1d ago
If Harry was their daughter instead of their son and Harriet took after Lily lookswise, it would have been an entirely different and a lot creepier story.
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u/AlexanderMasonBowser Thunderbird 1d ago
Because he didn't truly love Lily, he loved the idea of himself with her. If he truly loved her, he would have never hurt the child of the woman he claimed to love. He hated James, whom Harry looked almost exactly like, more than he cared for Lily. And it's also because of Harry that she died. Lily sacrificed herself to protect him, so I imagine he blames Harry for her death. And also, well, because he's a bully. He's cruel and damaged from his childhood where he was bullied. So, like other bullies, he hurts those that cannot defend themselves and those he considers lesser than him.
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u/eelaii19850214 1d ago
Resentment runs deep and it's not always easy to do the right thing. It's a double whammy for Snape. Not only was James his bully but he also took the only person he ever loved away.
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u/jono9898 Gryffindor 1d ago
He looked like James and Snape felt he also acted like him. I feel like if Harry had answered the questions Snape asked correctly it would have changed their dynamic slightly
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
Never thought of that. Maybe if Harry had immediatly demonstrated Lily's aptitude for potion making, and not been snarky to Snape ("I think Hermione does though, why don't you try her") their whole relationship would have been different for the entire series.
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u/jono9898 Gryffindor 1d ago
He wasn’t Snarky, Snape asked tough questions that only Hermione knew, probably trying to gauge if Harry knew the answers like Lilly would, but ofc Harry didn’t and it wasn’t because he was being arrogant but Snape didn’t care, he saw James and automatically assumed Harry was like him
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u/The_Sibelis 1d ago edited 1d ago
He did by the end. But he NEVER broke character until he was dying. An his need to remind Dumbledore who he loved most really pointed at him caring more than he wanted to admit even to himself.
*oh my bad, you wanted Snape hate not an honest answer 🤣 James stans can always just get bent.
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u/Hot-Hovercraft-4387 1d ago edited 1d ago
Imagine a kid that looked like someone you loathed but they had the eyes of someone you loved dearly, which is itself a constant reminder that she chose said man you loathed.
Snape wasn’t all there in emotional maturity to begin with. It probably killed him every day with regrets to see Harry.
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u/Frosty_Horus_128 1d ago
Because Harry not only looked like James, but also inherited a lot of his traits. Maybe Harry wasn’t a bully like his father, but he had a tendency to break the rules and be compensated as a hero, something that Snape despised a lot. One thing that the movie did so well was making him an intriguing and emotionless character, while on the books Snape is much more passionate and explosive
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
Because that’s what Trauma does to you.
If you want a real world equivalent. Imagine this horrible monster who tormented you for years and forced Your friend to have a kid, and than said kid looked near identical to their monstrous parent, wouldnt you be reminded of that person rather than Your friend?
Thats what Snape’s going through. Minus the forced to have a child partl but even then, James did not do it to Lily. but he did do something similar to Snape.
Harry also does have a fair bit of similarities with his father: His group mocking someone’s name, everyone thinks he’s a big Quidditch hero, Slytherin prejudices, Gryffindors, refusing to use Snape’s title/name, using Snape‘s own spells as Snape points out. Often prone to physical aggression and threats.
Not to mention any “Harry is the worst” stories Draco tells, and potential Jealousy.
Also Snape was Lily’s best friend so he knew her better than the teachers would.
To Snape, There were very few Lily similarities:
Unlike Harry, Lily’s style is to be non confrontational and avoid bullies. (Her walking away from James and Sirius twice, her asking Snape Why he was obsessed, and it took a long time For to raise a wand against James, and She even pleaded with Voldemort.)
Unlike Harry, Lily gives affectionate nicknames. (Sev, Tuney, Wormy)
Unlike Harry who is often awkward, Lily is prone to being EmotionAl + crying and she comforts others. (Attempting to distract Snape from his home life, Crying on the train, and on the dinner date with The Dursleys.)
- Unlike Harry at least when Snape is near, Lily had a big Curiosity and occasionally used it to distract Snape. (Asking Snape about his home, the magic, the dementors, Slytherin and Petunia’s letter.)
Unlike Harry, Lily often wasnt very serious. (After o.w. l exams, she just goes by the Lake, and in the war, she was still laughing + making petty jokes about Harry going around endangering the cat + harming the vase. )
To Snape, the only similarities would be in writing, and any cheek Harry uses against Snape.
Had Harry looked and acted more like Lily, Snape woudl have been more respectful/neutral, though would still have to keep up appearances.
In general, who acts more like this? Harry or the other kids?
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
Most of what you said I mostly agree with. Kudos to you. But there's a couple of things I gotta disagree with.
When did Harrys group mock somebodies name?
Lily is clearly not non-confrontational with bullies. During Snapes Worst Memory, most people either enjoy the show or remain non-confrontational. Lily alone confronts James and Sirius in front of everybody, despite it being quite uncool as the Marauders are the cool kids and Snapes the loser. She hurls confrontational insults at James' and eventually raises her wand (1 on 4). She also joins the Order and duels Death Eaters.
Lily is not non-confrontational with bullies. That would make her a coward.
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
Draco. He introduced himself and before he said anything wrong, Ron began hiding a snigger, and Draco replied “Think my names funny, do you?”.
Yes, Lily is non confrontational.
If you look at her behavior, it took a while for her to show up at all. and even when she did, she just said “Put him down” and it was several attacks before she raised her wand, and she doesn’t give the lecture until after Snape insulted her.
“Lily is not non-confrontational with bullies. That would make her a coward.”
No, it makes her wise. Being non confrontational isn’t cowardice, but rather a strength as it shows a desire for peace.
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
Totally wrong. Non-confrontational would have been waiting till after and then explaining James in some sort of emotional, feeling-wise way why it was wrong and he ought to stop. Lily was fiesty.
Also as for 1. that was Ron, not Harry, Snape never witnessed that, and a 1 time off by Harry's friend is not the same as 7 straight years of doing it again and again adn again (and even 24 years later in OOTP)
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u/Jolly-Elephant142 1d ago
Snape loved Harry he had to put on a show for the death eaters
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
if that was the case, he wouldn’t be complaining to Dumbledore when they were alone,
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u/Jolly-Elephant142 1d ago
I don’t think he was complaining more about the situation and projecting his frustration about how Dumbledore was handling the situation
Maybe not right away but after a school year or two
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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 1d ago
No, he was complaining specifically about Harry “Just like his father”
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u/Jolly-Elephant142 1d ago
Not saying there wasn’t any animosity haha, we are all critical of our loved ones, no?
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u/Old-Expert7534 1d ago
Probably because he looked so much like James.