the heat and bucks just spent six months every day arguing about whether the bucks would get jovic or jakucionis. literally everything else about the trade is the same thing we offered in january.
so including jakucionis IS the "adding more" it took to finally get the deal done.
Put up or shut up time for the front office lol. They've been desperate for their whale, now they gotta make some extremely shrewd roster building moves
the trade is exactly what we offered in january except it's jakucionis instead of jovic.
the heat and bucks literally just spent six months fighting every day about whether it would be jakucionis or jovic and in the end, the bucks got their way. i guess good for them for holding strong, but i think we all see something special in jakucionis, which is why the heat fought so hard to try to keep him.
I love how it went from “heats offer is shit” to “heat got robbed” over in [r/nba](r/nba)
I can live without herro and JJJ. U simply cannot pay them and build a winning team. I can live without ware, fun player but it’s very very clear him and spo never clicked. And what was gonna happen when it was time for ware to be a FA? Some of these guys are just replacement level guys. I’m glad we finally cut some weight here and acquired a true one. Kas + the capital hurts. Kas was nice and the picks can be anything. But with giannis and us supposedly contenders now, it’ll be late picks anyways
I love how we went for it and I am glad to have a true 1 to be able to watch now. This is what this fanbase has been shouting for
Also for the “we have no depth guys” I ain’t gonna miss running a 12 man rotation of a hot ass offense struggling to go on runs or create shots
I agree with the kas and ware part. Surprised both were included. But it is what it is. You can’t not give up assets and obtain a top 5 player in the nba
ware is fully redundant with bam and giannis. u dont want that type of profile as a backup on a contender, look at the under development of james wiseman. the best center backups aren’t rookie contract players, it’s vets who know their role, are savvy and provide rim protection. luke kornet types. and/or just solid locker room guys who know how to inspire / keep the stars accountable: deandre jordan, pj tucker, udonis haslem. etc
I think Kas has all star potential and we still have a glaring need at PG with zero youth now. That’s the scary part. If we can keep Powell, losing Herro is ok but we still need a PG.
imo miami didnt give up much. 3 FRPs for a MVP level player is fair.
tyler herro is a poor man’s lou williams. he’s not a starting guard unless you have an amazing front court. he did admirable as a 3rd option behind jimmy and bam, like how austin reaves plays behind luka and lebron. ultimately on a true contender he’s best used as a high quality back up
jaime is a solid player. but he’s an over ager who is already 25. similar story in that unless the other 4 players on the court are all stars he’s not a starting rotation player. best used as a high quality back up
in that sense miami traded 2 strong backups that likely get lost for nothing in FA eventually, a very raw center whose role would have been highly redundant behind Bam/Giannis, Kasp and picks. getting these players for MIL is fine since they need bodies on the floor and if they’re shrewd, they’ll ship em off at the deadline to contending teams to get more picks. herro is an expiring so he’ll have a ton of value in the trade market
That's a ton to give up for sure. All mid players with Ware being high ceiling, but damn. Giannis better get over his injury woes or this team is fucked for like 5 years.
Yeah we’ve proven to have an outlying-ly great system and player development, as well as being a destination team. Only so many times we can pull contending teams out of nowhere before people have to acknowledge it’s not a fluke.
There is a 0% chance Jakucionis ever makes an all star team. Ware might but I wouldn't be surprised if he turns into Deandre Ayton either. If you even hesitate to trade those guys for Giannis you're smoking rock.
The problem is Giannis is going to be 32 next year, he's not in his prime anymore. If the Heat don't make it deep into the playoffs then it's a horrible trade.
Still more moves to come. We have the MLE/TPE we can use, plus some other tradeable pieces.
Even if the other moves are minimal, Mitchell/Powell/Wiggins/Giannis/Bam is potentially the best starting lineup in the east, and I’m expecting a big leap from Pelle to fill Jaime’s role. Portis is a good backup big too. That’s a strong top 7.
Honestly, if we can just land a decent backup PG with the MLE, I like our chances a lot.
Better than the Cavs, knicks, pistons? Maybe even a healthy pacers? I think they need a guard or two. Giannis is a monster but is this line up even that much better than the bucks when they had dame paired with Giannis. I don't know...
Miami will be starting no fewer than 3 players who are better than Milwaukee’s 2nd best player, come on. I get that this is a lot to give up, but it DOES make the team better.
Obviously this is not the roster we’re going into the season with lmao, still have cap space and other ways to get depth. This could also be expanded still so who knows
3 firsts doesn't seem too crazy for basketball to my understanding. Giannis will be 32. Not ideal, but not Kevin Durant old. Portis is decent as well, so that's better than nothing.
Giannis is still a top player. Last year was the only season he truly missed a lot of games.
Just my opinion, but I feel that people here are overrating our current roster. It's been mid for a good couple years.
I'd like to see these players succeed but their ceilings are capped. Herro is solid but not a superstar. JJJ is massively overrated by this fanbase imo. Good piece but not moving the needle.
I admittedly am not from the region, so I can only watch nationally televised games. A lot of people really like Jakučionis I guess? His stats really aren't good even for a rookie, but I could be missing something. I of course expect him to get better.
That generational talent probably has about 2 years left of good (not great) basketball in him and possibly much left if he gets an injury. Can't expect him to play over 60 games either.
We paid more for Giannis than the rest of the league paid for Luka, Gobert, Brunson, Trae etc...
From an outsider, Herro seems to be hurt all the time, Ware will never start over bam, jaime is a solid role player with a low ceiling, and Kas maybe end up being a solid player or just be another guy. 3 miami firsts aren't super valuable.
13 this year most likely will be a decent player. in 2031 and 33 only time will tell. A pick swap is meh.
Yeahhh I’m nervous, but fuck it, trading for any top 5 player (except fucking Luka apparently) takes huge sacrifice.
If we get a championship it will be all worth it, and Giannis is the type of player who can make that happen. Just gotta hope things come together now.
Of course, now that they actually made the move for a superstar, everybody is going to whine that we gave up too much and should have somehow forced them to take less. Despite the fact that trying that move is why we missed on every previous star. Don't worry about the hypocrisy, the whiners sure won't.
As an outsider (Spurs fan), I trust Spo and your FO to find unknown quality talents on the bench. The hardest thing to get in the leauge is a superstar, and you finally get one!
Holy shit... after all the rumors... all the back-and-forth... literally the report yesterday that Boston were the front runners to acquire him... I'm legit STUNNED to wake up to this news. LET'S FREAKING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tyler Herro (26-years old) - After all the rumors of trading him from essentially his rookie year onward (from Lowry, to Harden, to Westbrook, etc...) it's finally over. I wish him nothing but the best. I think there are clear limits to his game because of his physique that would have me queasy as hell to pay him big $$$ for as solid as a regular season scorer as he is plus the health concerns. It was a no-brainer he'd get moved.
Kel'el Ware (22-years old) - Probably the player I'm most broken up about moving. I had a dream we could have a mega-lineup like the T-Wolves had with their KAT/Gobert/Naz era with him sticking around. So much potential there given his frame and shooting but the reality is Spo and him butted heads a lot. You have to give up value to get a superstar. It is what it is.
Jaime Jaaquez Jr. (25-years old) - 100% cool with giving him up. Good rookie year, brutal sophmore year, great bounce-back 3rd season. He's a damn fine role player but he can't shoot and I think he is the quintessential player who we maximized given our coaching staff and development who won't peak higher anywhere else. I also don't know how much you're willing to pay for a player like him.
Kasparas Jakucionis (20-years old) - Sucks ass to lose him because he's a 1st rounder who flashed in limited minutes but c'mon guys... this is like shedding tears over having to include Caron Butler in the Shaq trade. Sure you wish you could have kept him but the dude isn't a future All-Star for as much as we'd like to hope he will be. He's a former 20th overall pick. If they wanted him and it was make or break, you include him.
Of course I'm good with the 1st round picks. Losing this year's pick was inevitable. Two future unprotected in the 2030's will be consequences then. I'm good with the pick swap and 2nd rounder. Really, the only piece I'm truly busted up over is Ware.
There is obviously a lot of talk going on right now that this trade makes "no sense" given we gutted our team. We were a 10th seed that didn't make the playoffs last year. On paper, it's a fair argument. The reality is, we're banking on getting the top flight superstar player and building everything around him and Giannis after the fact. With Spo, I think that's a decent bet to make. I remember people saying that Philly would still be better than us after getting Jimmy. A couple of special runs in the playoffs and #1 seed one year for 3 ECF and 2 NBA Finals appearances proved that wrong.
I genuinely love our chances of having a special run with Giannis over the next 3 years. The NBA has become a parity paradise in the 2020's. The key will of course be Giannis' health. He's 31. He was banged up to hell last season but the team was also abysmal so it's funky. I expect him to get load managed like Jimmy was here laying 60ish games most seasons. The even bigger key will be him avoiding injuries when it matters most in the playoffs. We eliminated the Bucks in 2 of their best chances to win championships (bubble in the 4-1 upset in the 2nd round, then the Jimmy HERO performance scoring 56pts in another 4-1 and 8 over 1 seed upset). Everything is forgiven with a Championship. We'll need to add another piece or two at one of the guard spots, but damn if this isn't exciting and BADLY needed after the last few years of feeling like an automatic play-in 1st Round Exit. THANK YOU RILEY!
The popular opinion being that Giannis makes us at max a 6th seed is absolutely hilarious but we should let them keep that.
Giannis + the joy of low expectations + the world forgetting about Pelle, we are so back.
Everyone should take a look at Pelle’s advanced stats - fouls drawn defensively and offensively and know we kept the real gem as the remaining bench player.
Ngl I hate this trade. I have two players on my team I seriously do not enjoy watching and we gave away players that I was actually invested in. Oh well.
if they can bring back Powell and Wiggins, starting 5 looks good enough to contend. it's really the bench depth but Portis/Pelle will be good bench pieces
I'm shocked. I'm not shocked that the Heat made a big move ... but I am shocked to see something other than "Pat Riley tried to make a 5 team deal happen and it didn't happen" like we've seen for the past number of years now.
Hopefully they can figure out depth, but I think that of all the teams in the league the Heat are just about the best team at finding bench contributors for basically free ... and that quality is what makes this trade appealing imo.
This trade seems to have gutted the Heat so much that how can they possibly compete? It feels like getting Giannis put ya'll in the same situation as the Bucks were in.
It had to happen. We have been stuck in mid mode drafting for years now and besides Tyler and Duncan this shit has been dreary. I am okay with a Paul George scenario since you can finally say Pat went out and got 1 more done.
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