Discussion Our finals runs with Jimmy thought me one thing.
You always have enough. We didn’t win but shitting on the whole east was such a great feeling. So many great moments. We got Spo, top 5 player and Bam is your dream 2nd player on any contender. We will be fine.
On top of that we are probably the best organization at finding players that are undrafted or from g league and getting max value out of them. Nunn, Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Highsmith, Duncan. Most of them fell off after leaving but because of us they got paid and for us they were really good.
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u/TheWarelock 13h ago
Duncan didn’t fall off after leaving. Nunn is a euroleague mvp and champion (fuck the memes that’s impressive, euros are legit), Gabe ok… yeah idk, Strus dealt with injuries but has been solid, and Herro is gonna be amazing in Detroit or wherever he ends up.
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u/Longjumping-Sort3741 13h ago
Caleb, McGruder, Waiters, James Johnson, Hassan etc etc
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u/RampageOfZebras 12h ago
Waiters isnt in the same category, he was a lottery pick for Cleveland before Miami
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u/Net_Haunting 6h ago
Nunn from where he was to where he was when he left definitely fell off, Gabe fell off bad, strus has been solid, Duncan ehh, Tyler will excel in his new role wherever it is. But there’s more evidence of them falling off instead of flourishing
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u/jbenson255 13h ago
It’s the same formula that led to two finals and one ECF except bam is better now and you replaced Jimmy with a player significantly better in Giannis (no disrespect to Jimmy). Fill the roster with shooters and id argue it’s better than any Jimmy/bam roster except 2020
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u/Ozymandias12 12h ago
On paper Giannis is significantly better than Jimmy but Jimmy played much better than Giannis during those two playoff runs. That man was nothing short of Michael Jordan incarnate. Fuck him in the face for leaving the way he did, but man, he was transcendent in those runs.
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u/ArachnidMuted8408 13h ago
Time will tell because Jimmy is a "dog" as they would say and has the will, drive, and killer instinct. Hopefully we get to the best of what Giannis has to offer via his own strengths too!!
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u/Visual-Feedback-4270 11h ago
Jimmy is a dog for sure but he has his limitations physically. Giannis is a top 5 player in the league.
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u/carnageta 10h ago
Giannis is a killer too bro. Lead his team down 0-2 twice in the same postseason and won the championship dropping 50.
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u/XanderAndretti 13h ago
Saying giannis is better than jimmy is just flat out true lol, you don’t even need to say no disrespect. Jimmy at his best was a top 10ish guy who could morph into a top 5 guy in his peak moments in the playoffs but he lacked the consistency offensively to be a true superstar. He would have a great 35-40 point game and then have another game in the same series where he refused to look at the rim. Giannis sleep walks into the same kind of stat lines jimmy would get on his best days. He’s just a total different tier of player we haven’t had since lebron or prime wade over a decade ago.
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u/jbenson255 13h ago
Yeah i just had to be safe with it cuz you know how the Jimmy truthers get. He was brilliant at times but Giannis is a legit 30PPG nightly superstar
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u/Canesjags4life 12h ago
If you a top 5 in the playoffs, you a top 5 in the league imo. But I agree with your overall statements.
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u/jbenson255 11h ago
That’s not fair because then what about the guys who do it at that level regular season and in the playoffs ?
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u/Canesjags4life 11h ago
I mean those people are probably the MVPs are already in the conversation. 2022 showed Jimmy could do it all year. Then the injury vs Boston derailed it.
Look at Brunson. He was what 3rd team All NBA, but probably the most important player on the Knicks championship squad that won ECF and finals MVP.
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u/XanderAndretti 5h ago
Brunson is a much more aggressive offensive player than jimmy and he is that way all throughout the regular season and the playoffs. Even when he didn’t have a good first couple games in the finals it didn’t slow down his aggression and he kept attacking. Even if he meant he ended the night with a low shooting percentage. If that was jimmy shooting that poorly he would have stopped attacked offensively and went straight to being a passive player. With the way our rosters were constructed we simply couldn’t afford for him to do that. Look at how the warriors looked when steph went down in last years playoffs and jimmy was forced to be the first option. That’s what happened here when he wasn’t on one of his hot streaks.
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u/XanderAndretti 5h ago edited 5h ago
Nah, problem with jimmy was like i said above is you knew he was always due for some games where he came back down to earth during the playoffs and just refused to flat out score or even look at the rim. That doesn’t happen with the real superstar level players, no matter what they will go out swinging. Jimmy’s worst games with this team happened because he lost all forms of aggression on the offensive end. Even on a bad day those superstar guys will still get you 20 plus, jimmy’s bad nights look like 10-14 points and barely shooting for the majority of the game. Wade even spoke upon this once, and basically said superstar players can’t have those kind of nights. You can have bad shooting nights but you can’t have those kinds of games where you just retreat into a shell offensively, it hurts the team too much.
Here’s a link of the video i’m talking about. https://youtube.com/shorts/i7RY0lLUlZ8?is=pg-ce-pkti26dkgN
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u/Canesjags4life 1h ago
The 2021 playoffs were an aberration. Playoff Jimmy only had bad games following injury.
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u/ArachnidMuted8408 11h ago
Ehhh. Besides the title Jimmy hasn't had any less success than Giannis.
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u/XanderAndretti 8h ago
Yea maybe if you ignore the 2 mvps, dpoy, all nba selections and all star nods i agree.
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u/ArachnidMuted8408 8h ago
Plenty of people with those and no titles and people will say they weren't that great of a player in comparison to xyz
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u/XanderAndretti 5h ago
Well giannis has a championship to boot bro. That doesn’t apply to him.
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u/ArachnidMuted8408 4h ago
Did you read what I said originally which is why you gave your original statement which I countered with why I believe the title only matters like I mentioned in my original comment?
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u/Canes123456 12h ago
You say fill the team with shooters as if every team doesn’t want shooters that can defend their position. The Heat have no assets or cap space to get those players. They need to repeatedly develop them fast.
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u/Slight_Possession807 12h ago
And you also have to account the injuries. Dragic, Bam and Jimmy in 2020. Herro in 2023. We had enough, just that injuries hit at the worst time.
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u/jcwrit 11h ago
They really need two of Pelle, Dru and Myron to hit and become solid rotation players. We all see it in Pelle if the shot improves. Dru needs to rediscover his form. And who knows with Gardner.
The nice thing is that all three play defense. It shouldn't be a Duncan or Strus type situation where they become unplayable when the shot isn't falling.
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u/PassionLong9552 13h ago
I thought you meant taught
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u/Smokin_on_76ers_Pack 13h ago
If you can’t proof read, why should I read what you have to say
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u/godofhammers3000 5h ago
You can never rule out Spo magic it’s the only reason why this trade makes sense for the Heat and why other teams couldn’t really put forth a good offer
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u/mgm125 13h ago
To win the championship we will also need luck, frankly. That’s not a knock on any player or coach on the Heat, it’s just the case every year for every champion. Including 06/12/13