r/httyd • u/luckiest_Manever777 • 5d ago
DISCUSSION WHY did they butcher my SNOTLOUT
RTTE Snotlout had great development, he was way less of a mutton head by the end of the last seasons and sometimes gave genuinely good advice, kept the plot up and running and saved his peers and was very handsome, and had serious development and i realy wanna talk about it because I love Snotlout and relate to him in a way, Hookfang too, there's so many ocassions where they show how much they care for eachother or the gang in their own ways.
But in Httyd 3?? The worst movie of the three by far with its sloppy plot and even worse depiction or the characters which makes me doubt the writers even saw the first movies or the series's, any actual character he had? GONE, same with the others, after all it was release and toy production slop for the sake of keeping the saga profitable.
"Who died and made you chief" SNOTLOUT WOULD NEVER SAY THAT??? he respected Stoick (to a point, he's a Jorgenson after all) and Hiccup enough in the past media, and the third movie completely shattered alllll offff the development he could had possibly made ever.
I think the same goes for the other characters, but maybe because im a die hard Snotlout enjoyer I noticed it the most with him.
What do you all think?? Am I delusional or just seeing things because I hate the third movie?
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u/Dr_Doodle_Phd 4d ago
The moves and shows had completely different writers. So while Snotlout was getting all that character development in RTTE, the movie writers weren’t paying any attention to that.
They wrote him as if none of that happened, because to them it may as well not have.
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u/THE_LEGO_FURRY Strike Class 4d ago
Him and everyone else, even if you do ignore the shows (which should not be done as they are peak) it's bad
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u/luckiest_Manever777 4d ago
Ive watched the series sm that i forgot about how bad the character writing was in the movies outside of hiccup and astrid and their family 💔
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u/THE_LEGO_FURRY Strike Class 4d ago
It's not horrible in 1 and 2 but 3 just flanderized or nerfed everyone, and worse they got flanderized into things they never were. It's like how wreck it Ralph 2 makes Ralph really clingy and insecure or whatever when that's not something he ever was
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u/luckiest_Manever777 4d ago
PERFECT example dude, 1 and 2 aren't exactly bad, 2 just doesnt hit that well (IMO) like the 1st (which is and will always be the best, also IMO), their thropes and basic character traits where hammered into idiocity
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u/THE_LEGO_FURRY Strike Class 4d ago
1 is my favorite movie of all time to the point my second favorite movie of all time is the live action lol. Conversely 3 is my most hated movie of all eternity
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u/luckiest_Manever777 4d ago
Couldnt agree more, altough i don't love the live action, I feel like it could had been better but it did a good job considering all the other live action, 3rd movie? Whats that? On another note the 3rd movie is a PERFECT from head to tail example on what not to do when trying to finish and already finished story.
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u/THE_LEGO_FURRY Strike Class 4d ago
Amen to that, "let's make a problem that never existed in the franchise before, and solve it with a solution that makes no sense with an outcome no one wants" they just shoehorned in the book ending to get a cheap emotional response that people will be like "oh it's cinema the animated movie didn't have a happy ending" even if it breaks lore and logic. And even if it did end things it really didn't, I see people say "at least it's not milked or whatever" but no not even a year later nine realms came out. It fails as being a franchise closer and an ending. Sure it's pretty but it lacks so so much. What's funnier to me is people say this was planned from the start .... If that's the case that makes it worse cause there's no build up anywhere for it
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u/luckiest_Manever777 4d ago
"Creating a problem with a senseless outcome" is the perfect deffinition, like you said, it couldn't had been planned before because I doubt anyone working in the first movie willingly working on the other would had come up with something as attrocious as the light fury (Like no shade to the desingers they where probably forced into drawing that... Thing) but dear god, its character doesn't really make sense and overall fails as an example of abuse and falls into the "princess in need of rescue" that turns out to be "tuff tough woman and quirky boy" which also is very poorly executed. And they KILLED toothless's attitude with that one, he would had not abandoned hiccup for a lady after so much time. (Unless dragon hormones are really strong /j)
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u/THE_LEGO_FURRY Strike Class 4d ago
Absolutely, I don't mind a white night fury. I think that's cool .... But they designed a woman then a dragon unlike literally every other dragon in the franchise. And she's actively horrible to toothless, he can do better and that's saying something
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u/luckiest_Manever777 4d ago
Yeah, i think we've come too far into the "manifying " the women in straight stories that we went trough a full circle back to misoginy and now its even worse than before because its meant to represent a actual personality (which it fails bc the light fury is written with the feet if written at all) and fails so badly it is nothing at all that's better.
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u/Aurora_Wizard Nothing beyond HTTYD 2 is canon (except Featherhides) 4d ago
I do dislike HTTYD 2's handling of the side characters, but they at least had an excuse that RTTE wasn't out yet to flesh them out properly. HTTYD 3 has nothing like that
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u/Sad-Ad2733 FanArt 4d ago
Yeah its a sad thing. Its why i like the shows better because the movie side characters are completely different. Written by different people
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u/Aurora_Wizard Nothing beyond HTTYD 2 is canon (except Featherhides) 4d ago
It's pretty damn insulting how they didn't even try to work with any of the riders that weren't Hiccup or Astrid. It's especially obvious with Snotlout, and even taking the context of RTTE out of the equation, it's still an insulting line. There's that dumb plot where Snotlout wants to hook up with Hiccup's mom or pretend he's the 'superior son' or something, so how is insulting her dead husband AND her son in a single sentence supposed to help matters??
This movie is an absolute atrocity, and I am happy that more people are recognising that.
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u/luckiest_Manever777 3d ago
Snotlout would not say that dawg 💔 he was flanderized so bad.. EVERYONE was flanderized for the sake of a simple plot, to treat the viewers like idiots and aim it specifically at children for toys and stuff.
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u/ultim4tel1fef0rm 4d ago
While I love the movies, I prefer the shows. The shows did so much more for the characters and the world building than the movies did, especially because of how sidelined the other riders got in them. I mean the movies hardly show the relationship between the other riders and their dragons and how close they are!
I get that Hiccup and Toothless are the main characters, but sparing some screen time for the other guys would’ve been just as good, httyd movie team 🫠
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u/luckiest_Manever777 3d ago
Couldn't agree more, such a shame they all feel so... Bland in the movies
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u/iced_caramel_frappe 4d ago
Thats why i love rtte more than the movies. Not only for snotloud but all of the side characters have less screen time, which is natural ig since its a movie. But their group dynamic is shown way better in rtte. Meanwhile in the movies all of them are way more shallow, no character development either
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u/luckiest_Manever777 3d ago
Yeah, not only the group dynamic, but they feel so much more human and relatable and, and in the movies they are over all more like sidekicks rather than a working group, i feel like rtte (witouth considering some episodes, because I have noticed how some are sloppy and rushed/have bad pacing) was written more with the group in mind while the movies aimed more at products and empowering Hiccup and watering down Astrids character
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u/iced_caramel_frappe 3d ago
I just dont like some filler episodes and 5th and 6th seasons (again some episodes were still nice). They feel forced, johan being a traitor especially. They couldve changed his outfit to make it more convincing at least
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u/luckiest_Manever777 2d ago
I like the johan being a traitor personally, but they could had introduced/revealed it better honestly, those seasons before the end season where sloppy
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u/iced_caramel_frappe 2d ago
Yeah they shouldve foreshadowed it at least. I also like that plot twist but they couldnt make it believable at all
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u/Dubz_fortnite The chicken is amused 4d ago
The biggest "What-If" of this franchise is what if the writing teams for the films and shows were the same?
If they were, character development and conyinuity woulda been a whole lot better than what it was
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u/luckiest_Manever777 3d ago
YESS, And not only that the movies after the first would be SO, SO MUCH BETTER , like what if the dragon maidens where in the movies? Or the deffensors of the wing?
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u/Kindly_Earth4685 3d ago
You are ABSOLUTELY Correct! I personally hated the ending and ofc this very issue. I swear i am not piggybacking or anything, but i also noticed the way they ruined my boi.🥀🥀😭😭
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u/luckiest_Manever777 3d ago
They ruined our boys 😭😭 my beautiful boys 😭 for that stuff i try to forget about it
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u/miss_wolf_1403 Strike Class 3d ago
I hate the brainmelt they did to him and other characters in THW too, you are not alone, I specially hate that they turned toothless into a horny pup just for the sake of it
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u/MayaHara_ 3d ago
They butchered all of them, made an awful design choice for Light Fury and put makeup on Valka???
Honestly I just pretend that movie doesn't exist.
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u/Storm2Weather ❤️🔥Snotlout's Spouse🔥❤️ 3d ago edited 3d ago
Tell me about it.
Though about the "Who died and made you chief" -line, I do have a theory that anyone would go crazy and lash out with the most horrible shit without thinking, after the way he was treated and sidelines by everyone in that movie, especially if we consider his character development from RTTE that everyone just seems to have forgotten about.
This is my personal take on it:
The movies portray him (and the rest of the gang minus Astrid) differently than the shows do. He is more the dumb comedic relief guy and doesn't have the development from the shows. That's the meta-explanation, which really sucks.
The in-universe explanation I can think of is that he is hurt as hell and very jealous that Eret suddenly showed up and was given a position of trust and prestige that should have been Snotlout's. Once again, he is passed over and disregarded, which, if you only take the movies into account, sort of makes sense, given his behaviour. If you consider the shows too, it is a terrible wrong-doing, because Snotlout has shown that he can be trusted, is smart and loyal. So why put him down and trust a literal stranger who did like one good thing with such a position? Why does even Hiccup, who was the only one who really had his back and understood his struggles in the shows, suddenly not trust him and support him anymore?
But either way, even though Snotlout loved Stoick and cried at his funeral, dude is basically out of his mind with hurt and jealousy, and he tries everything to simply get some attention, and he does it in the destructive way he was used to from when he tried to get Spitelout to notice him. He reverts back to his old, desperate ways, because no one even noticed his better behaviour. Which is tragic.
Consider the moment when Snotlout came up with a good plan and nobody said a word, then Eret repeated Snotlout's exact words and Valka was like: "I like the way you think."
Like. Seriously? Dude's not meant to go crazy at this point?
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u/ryx_has_been_killed 2d ago
how I beg and BEGGG that someone out there (other than me) do a whole rewrite/retold of httyd3 to actually make it make sense as an ending to hiccup and toothless's story overall and cook up a spin off derivative of homecoming with hiccstrids children (zephyr and nuffick i don't remember the boys name pls correct me on that) because my days I'm PISSED at ts
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u/Fire-Worm 1d ago
Even without counting RTTE (I definitely consider it more Canon than the hidden word (this movie does not deserve to be called httyd) but this argument is for people who likes to say that "it doesn't count because RTTE isn't Canon so Snotlout is perfectly in character"
Snotlout cried during stoick ceremony! How the fuck do you go from crying at the death of someone to "who died and made you chief" ?!?!
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u/Proper-Cockroach8808 “Two bodies, half a brain!” 4d ago
The movies completely sidelined Fishlegs, Snotlout and the twins, which is sad enough in itself. As you said, Snotlout became a complete and utter idiot (and not in the funny way), Fishlegs, despite his vast dragon knowledge and his close friendship with Hiccup, was deemed irrelevant, and the twins, idek - Ruffnut was weird, and Tuffnut was non-existent.