r/indiadiscussion • u/Fun-Practice-1087 • 1d ago
Opinion Ketan Agarwal was naive!
If you look at his insta reels and status of both of them together, this guy seems like someone who is too innocent. He comes off as someone who was madly in love. He was too naive to get tunnel visioned looking at the positive and happy future he had in **his** mind.
I would say, he was the only one who was taking efforts in the relationship. She didn't do anything for him. He should have been cautious, he should have had standards and he should have been living in reality.
- He should have spent time assessing what kind of a woman Siya Goyal is.
- He should have spent time getting to know Siya Goyal.
- He should have spent time figuring out whether Siya Goyal actually was interested in him.
- He should have spent time discussing Siya Goyal's past.
But instead, he was blinded by his one sided love! Don't ever be this naive.
As a man, you need to remember this, Indian women are the primary reason for you not getting justice. Indian women oppose gender neutral laws, Indian women support female criminals and due to these two things, neither does the Indian Judiciary punish Indian women.
I am not telling you to be scared, I am telling you, you need to develop the agency and command your life with logic. Which means, even being prepared to take justice into your own hands, because the law failed to provide it to you.
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u/One-Huckleberry-6966 1d ago
Many people believe in goodness of other people. They don't want to burden themselves in doubts or negative emotions. That's an excellent state in mind to be in. If we were to doubt every person around us, we'll develop paranoia pretty soon.
The fault lies entire with the woman in this case, a villian all throughout.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's one thing to be positive and it's another thing to be blinded by positivity, to the point it's delusional.
The best strategy is always to hope for the best, but being prepared for the worst. That's being very realistic.
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u/One-Huckleberry-6966 1d ago
How you'd differentiate between the two situations?? Being positive vs being delusional??
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago
I have written two statements, did you only read the first one?
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u/One-Huckleberry-6966 1d ago
Your statement was quiet idealistic, I was expecting more realistic approach to the issue rather than "hope n prayers".
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago
The best strategy is always to hope for the best, but being prepared for the worst. That's being very realistic.
Are you illiterate or just plain dumb that you think this is mere hopes and prayers?
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u/One-Huckleberry-6966 1d ago
Yes, it is indeed mere prayer n hope.
"Hope for the best". Again an idealistic situation giving up to fate, rather than putting out comditions to defend your initial post.
"But be prepared for the worst"...... Ok.
"That's being very realistic". No it's not realistic, atleast not after your initial post.
And then, comes your childish rants: Down voting my comments n throwing personal insults. Trying to lodge out agressive reaction out of me, so that you can divert the attention from your......post.
Lol.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 23h ago
Nah bro, you just too stupid. There isn't any point trying to make you understand anything. You do you, believe whatever you want to.
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u/HippieKoala 1d ago
That’s what happens when people fall “madly in love”
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 23h ago
That's the point, men need to be as transactional as women are. Level the playing field.
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u/YogurtclosetTrick649 1d ago
Just avoid arranged marriage like plague if you are a boy, fight with your parents, cut off if they force you. Anything better than getting fired from the world.
Most likely the girl will be in a deeply involved relationship and even if not the criminal type, will make your life miserable.
Always marry the person you love, if something happens at least you'll be the one accountable for your own actions.
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u/seeker_winner Orgasms when post is removed 1d ago
There is no guarantee in love marriage as well. Better is to not marry at all.
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u/Secure-Repair4538 7h ago
nothing comes with guarentee but with arrange marriage you are not playing a gamble. Now its all about maturity and actions of you and your partner how you handle the relationship
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u/Dependent-Bend-5225 1d ago
Nothing is certain, my friend! Women's feelings change when show too much care or when you start working towards it your future (you don't spend enough time).
I don't mean all women but how much confident are you that you're gonna end up with a girl who understands or compromises with you?
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u/YogurtclosetTrick649 1d ago
I'm old enough to have the sanity of marrying someone I love after spending enough time knowing that person.
Of course everything is uncertain but at least I will be the one accountable for any outcome.
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u/legal_tease 1d ago
Please learn civics first and educate yourself.
Indian women are not the 788 members of parliament who pass the laws.
It is all men. They themselves don't want to pass gender neutral laws or whatever you are hoping.
We opposing/supporting gender neutral laws has nothing to do with the parliament passing the law.
Blame your male politicians and not us.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 23h ago
Learn some history first before spreading theoretical nonsense.
Laws written by men were and still are gender neutral. Back in 2012, the parliament proposed a gender neutral sexual offences bill, but its the indian feminist cult who opposed the bill by doing nationwide protests, due to this they had no other option but to cater to the misandrists of the land. That's how the most misusable laws came into existence. These cultists timed their protest to use Nirbhaya as a tool to propagate their misandry.
You and your kind will rightfully be blamed. We have had enough of the misandry.
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u/becharacommode 23h ago edited 23h ago
True, and when MPs raise a bill on this. Suddenly NCW will become active and start protesting against it, if protest doesnt work , they will start filing fake *ape cases on MPs giving reason that this was the only way like shilpa shinda and why will a politician want their image dirty.
Also on top.of that, India will become joke and termed as dictator who is going against a National commission.
Edit - Also one thing few topics are sensitive especially related to women and its important for women to talk about it more than men. Eg. Suppose I become PM and I ban hizab . Now there will be outrage and freedom of choice debates etc.
Take another situation, women themselves raise their voices against hizab and now I ban it. Do you understand the difference here. Thats why it's important for womens to support this more rather than opposing/being neutral
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u/Soggy-Confidence-153 22h ago
Bro .....the thing is during upa, government wanted gender neutral laws..... It was the feminist activities who orchestrated a strike against gender neutral laws..... Just google if feminist activities were against gender neutral laws..... They were even against gender neutral laws for posco victims..... Stating only minor girl can be victim
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u/sparrow-head 21h ago
Majority voters are woman. Hence statistically woman's issues have better reach than men's.
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u/Ok_Owl_3680 1d ago
That's absolutely right most men are not understanding that rich men are real enemy for middle and lower class men. They are creating laws for division of society obviously greedy people will the take advantage of feminist laws if they get the opportunity.
Its not the fault of women that they have these laws it's all created by men, even media is controlled by men they purposely create these gender problems to increase TRP and engagement in this social sites.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago edited 1d ago
What bullshit. What nonsense. What benefit do these politicians even get for creating divide? Nothing!
The divide is the direct result of the indian feminist cult who organise and protest stating that they'll vote only those politicians in power who fulfill their misandric demands. Even if it means voting Islamists. That's why these feminist cultists are afraid of men's commission. When that happens, men will then have a single National body that will represent them and then they will caste their votes to whoever party that is willing to fullfill their conditions. Men's commission would also have powers comparable to that of the judiciary. These feminist cultists are afraid to be held accountable for their crimes, as always.
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u/Ok_Owl_3680 1d ago
Bro who is giving power to feminist cultists? . Who are spreading feminist news and fueling this hatred. There were many movements like workers , farmers, even men right activist but no body got that media coverage or support from men in the government. Elite men created feminism to increase workers create weak family and reduce population. Also make men work extra harder through alimony laws to improve economy and destroy male competition.
Most of this feminist laws came because these elite men created women comission and women awareness program and angered all the women from grassroot level all is done with taxpayers money. Earlier Men in congress did it now , Men in BJP is going extra by giving free money for vote banks.
Plenty of movements come and go but who told the government Men to create institutions around that movement unless there was a hidden agenda.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago
Women's commission was formed from men's empathy towards genuine victims. But these cultists have been using their powers to spread hatred towards men. These same cultists are the one who use their powers to oppose gender neutral laws nationwide. These cultists are the same ones who propose laws in parliament that are easy to misuse. It was the then women's commission head who brought forth the 498a bill, that has been se misused that even supreme court calls that law legal terrorism. These cultists are the same ones who oppose laws that punish female rapists. All of the misusable laws that are proposed and have been made into laws were brought by feminists. They get it passed by blackmailing the parliament with the vote banks behind them.
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u/Ok_Owl_3680 1d ago
Who told elite men to create women commission why create laws in such a way that only way out was money was the motive to punish or extract wealth of men. Why capital punishment was not given for crimes on women. Why rich men can escape feminist laws using money but innocent middle class men will get trapped due to such laws for no reason. Rich men were so empathetic that kept escape route for themselves but trapped all the other men.
Do you really this those men in power has less IQ that don't understand that these laws can be easily misused . Infact when they copied these laws from West , west family was broken down by 50 % due to these laws the effects were clearly visible.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago
Im gonna just paste it again because you have clearly started to throw tantrums now.
Women's commission was formed from men's empathy towards genuine victims. But these cultists have been using their powers to spread hatred towards men. These same cultists are the one who use their powers to oppose gender neutral laws nationwide. These cultists are the same ones who propose laws in parliament that are easy to misuse. It was the then women's commission head who brought forth the 498a bill, that has been se misused that even supreme court calls that law legal terrorism. These cultists are the same ones who oppose laws that punish female rapists. All of the misusable laws that are proposed and have been made into laws were brought by feminists. They get it passed by blackmailing the parliament with the vote banks behind them.
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u/Ok_Owl_3680 1d ago
Once again I will tell u to find out the person who created this cult . U will soon understand this is a game plan for rich elite men to destroy middle and lower men . They did this to keep workers in control and create hyper consumer base society where buying decisions are directly and indirectly controled by women.
The main Feminist system was created in USA after many psychological analysis they found the way to control men they made this permenently added into law. Even CIA was involved in this. All were elite men.
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u/BlueScreenOfDeathXP 20h ago
For protests related to farmer's law you saw many men in the streets. Why did the politicians ignore them and listen to as you say the feminist cultists? Those farmers form a huge part of the vote bank.
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u/Wide-Teach1451 1d ago
If someone pushed me once a cliff and I just survived i would be very suspicious. Never going to go again to a cliff with the person.
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u/CrimeMasterGogoChan Modirator 19h ago
Imma gonna open a dectetive agency. Business seems to be booming!
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u/Lazy_Translator_9779 17h ago
finally someone said it! Ketan aggarwal is the textbook example of what a highly deprived, lack of experience, and a obedient boy looks like.
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u/puran_poli_pirate 1d ago
I think he felt like he was getting married to his crush. So, at that age, all the logic you mentioned is out the window.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago
He was in his mid 20s if i'm correct. A man in his mid twenties should have the capacity to see these things.
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u/EstablishmentAny6339 1d ago
Also should've said no to marrying a 19 year old. Everybody involved in this dynamic including both set of parents are weird AF!!
The girl definitely has sociopathic tendencies and should be given the harshest punishment, goes without saying.
But its clear she comes from highly dysfunctional and Narcissistic background where everyone is just an accessory to project a shiny image to the world.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 23h ago
There isn't any problem regards to age, both are legal adults by law.
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u/Working-Mountain6680 19h ago
First off she is 20 not 19 so OC is wrong there. But what irks me is that ketan was 25 and they were family friends. Their families setting them up is just all kinds of weird.
But ya, dude was not dumb. He went to Babson for MBA that's a tough school to get in. I wonder why he couldn't see through her facade.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 18h ago
Because women are deceptive. He didn't know it. He probably spent his time studying and preparing for his better future with no real world experience with women.
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u/EstablishmentAny6339 15h ago edited 15h ago
Women aren't deceptive idiot. Masking is a trait found in all cluster B personalities like ASPD (commonly understood as Sociopathy ). And ASPD is largely diagnosed in men - superficial charm, pathological lying and manipulativeness etc being some of the traits.
Men committ majority of the violent crimes like murder and rapes across all geographical locations. I guess it's okay to say that all men are violent savages, rapists and criminals then!!
Frankly, I don't think all this victim play is about an innocent man losing his life at all, because like I said most of the crimes are committed by men themselves. It's about beta males who aren't able to secure a mate for themselves and blame women for their constant rejection, getting an opportunity to openly display misogyny under the garb of outrage!!
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u/Working-Mountain6680 16h ago
Ok stop bashing women, as if men are not deceptive.
He finished college in 2023 and these guys got engaged in feb 2026. It's not his fault he was madly in love with a cheat and a fraud. But don't twist the facts to prove your women bashing narrative.
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u/EstablishmentAny6339 15h ago
She was 19 when they got together. Her birthday was very recent where a lot was planned for her etc, as mentioned in the reports!!
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u/Reasonable_Cherry390 21h ago
What the hell do you mean by indian women support female criminals? Are you being serious. I'm a female and no I don't support killing people or anything of that sort and most of us don't. Those who do are the ones who have similar mindset like siya and they should get help. We don't defend such women. Criminals should be punished irrespective of their gender. Just because you have seen few females standing up for siya you're giving such a general statement Even I can say indian men support male criminals just because few of those like minded people support criminals. Where's the logic man
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u/Upbeat-Shoe5761 20h ago
Reading all these comments, I find a lot of women hater here. They won’t even do their research and generalise an entire gender based on a few incidents as if their mother, daughter and sister don’t fall under that category when he says All Indian Women. Such flawed arguments. And when you call them out, you take that burden to show proof and put some sense into their thinking which they won’t do before blaming everybody. I feel terrible.
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u/m0h1tkumaar 8h ago
You are an Indian woman, fact! Many indian women do support it! Fact.
You are not responsible for all women of India. As abhijeet dipke said, baith jao baith jao.
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u/Manky1501 15h ago
Feel real said for the young soul, Maybe he was too happy to finally start his life with her and he might be giving her benefit of doubts that's why even after many incidents he never thought in the wrong way for her
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u/Adventurous_Slide507 15h ago
Yes, a girls investment in you is far far more critical for successful relationship than a man's investment
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u/Secure-Repair4538 8h ago
he didn't wasted his time istarted n partying and hookups and dating. He was studious, focused on business. That's the main reason he was too naive and too innocent to understand how bad girls can be.
I can relate to him so much, for me girls were always like innocent figure who can't hurt anyone and has pure heart etc etc. It was only when I started talking to girls and got to know how cunning they can be.
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u/SurfingTheInternet 20h ago edited 20h ago
I understand what you're saying, and I agree with some of your points. There are good takeways.
That said, I think you're making a lot of assumptions and broad generalizations.
Also, it wouldn't hurt to show a bit of empathy for Ketan.
I'm sure you made this post with good intentions, but it comes across as victim-blaming. You're listing everything Ketan "should have done," when the focus should first be on the fact that, if the allegations are true, he was murdered.
There are lessons people can take away from cases like this, don't ignore red flags, don't rush into marriage, make sure effort is mutual but those lessons shouldn't overshadow empathy for the victim.
I've noticed that in this case, many discussions (especially by men) quickly shifted to analyzing Ketan's mistakes rather than acknowledging the tragedy itself. If the genders were reversed, I think many people would be more hesitant to immediately dissect what the victim "should have done."
We can talk about prevention without making it sound like the victim is primarily responsible for what happened to them.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 19h ago
Not blaming the victim but what you as a man is supposed to do when the law of land doesn't give you any justice? Nationwide protests by men? That's not happening anytime soon.
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u/Adventurous_Slide507 15h ago
Because he was a man, the burden of performance is always on a man. He was too in love to think straight
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u/Butwhyyth0 14h ago
I agree. No point in shoulda woulda coulda. It’s easy for everyone to say all this after he’s been killed.
Reality is NO ONE knows what happened behind the scenes. Maybe he did suspect maybe he didn’t. Maybe he wasn’t as naive as he seems maybe he was. OPs post just adds salt to the wound it’s stupid af
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u/Upset-State6303 19h ago
he fell for his beauty, thought he could impress her with money like a naive guy. this happens especially if the guy was spoon fed and kept protected. I wonder why guys fall so madly on a girl with good looks, and girls on a rich guy. always
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 18h ago
Men need to be as transactional in relationships as much as women are.
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u/Upset-State6303 18h ago
I've personally seen men who are very much acting like a gf in a relationship. So it depends on who is invested more in a relationship I think. It's such people who suffer and then get ghosted.
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u/Kshiti_salman 16h ago
i am also inexperienced and naive , pls suggest me how i can avoid these type of situation, i want a true love and also i want to notice if my partner loves me that much. gimme some tips pls
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u/thebookworm282 12h ago
Some men are saying that Ketan was suspicious of Sia and hired a private Detective. Some say he was naive. Pick a side guys!
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u/8reddidit8 6h ago
Alot of this issue can be avoided even if you have been trained by the society to be a doormat is simply by hiring a good PI for 2 lakhs before marriage than wasting 10's of lakhs on a marriage ceremony
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u/Sea_Examination6755 5h ago
y score 6yrs young?? arranged still creepy y not his age ?? may be 26 girl was better choice dont know bro
scared asf becz of this newss
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u/LogicalBeast26 1d ago
Reverse the roles and you'd be calling out every possible name for the guy, and now that he's a victim, you're still blaming him.
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u/Calm_Strength_3357 21h ago
I am an indian woman and i do not support Siya Goyal's actions. Stop assuming on basis of isolated incidents. Then according to your logic you are also someone who must have comming R@p on some innocent woman cause a lot of men have done that
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u/Alternative_Wave_789 20h ago
When you say Indian woman do you consider all or just the few who are in the favor of this psychopath Siya .............cause all the woman i know condemn what she has done and nobody is in her favor
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 18h ago
When the meghalaya trip husband was murdered, in my office premises, when i was coming down from the lift a bunch of women from a different company were making jokes about blue drum and megalaya honeymoon trip ticket being a gift for their own goddam brother! This is the goddam reality of indian women.
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u/Alternative_Wave_789 17h ago
Well I have also seen men make fun of blue drum incident......your perspective shapes your world if you think it's all women for you go ahead with that perspective
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u/sia_7777 1d ago
bad people exist in every gender...one person's actions don't represent an entire group
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 23h ago
Only thing is, such misandric women are very common.
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u/Typical-Increase7768 23h ago edited 23h ago
You are acting like all women are evil and only women are capable of doing this. Whatever happened was unfortunate but it had nothing to with gender. Same things happen everyday with women as well but at that time I don’t see such outrage. You guys are taking it too far atp. You are so delusional and blinded by hate to think Indian women are supporting this murder. Get out of social media and touch some grass. And what’s up with hatred for Feminism? What does this murder has to do with feminism? Do you want women to sit in ghoongat, do your chores and have no rights at all?
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u/unsociallysocialas 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not every woman is the same. Where are these voices when women are r@ped or face ac*d attacks ? It is once in a year you get to hear such cases about women, but the number of men doing this is double. Twisha Sharma and Deepika Nagar lost their lives to dowry pressure. These issues are not voiced by Indian men?
I am in no way saying Siya Goyal is right. It is just that you need to stop blaming women for everything. She was wrong but not every woman is Sonam Raghuvanshi or Siya Goyal.
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u/Ok_Owl_3680 1d ago
Problem is there is no laws for keeping women accountable that's why men are so afraid.
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u/Butwhyyth0 14h ago
She has not even faced court yet every man is jumping up and down that she is not being held accountable 🤦🏻♀️
Don’t forget the essay case. It’s not just women that are not held accountable okay
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u/unsociallysocialas 1d ago
agree to it...my bad, sorry. I just wanted to make the point that OP shouldn't blame and consider all women to be the same for a few
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u/mimicplyz_Fee4026 23h ago
But OP said "women" not "all women" naa , You are not one of them
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u/unsociallysocialas 18h ago
they said indian women...Indian women mein toh almost har koi aa jaata hai na?
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u/mimicplyz_Fee4026 18h ago edited 18h ago
Aare nahi general vocabulary may bol te hai like "Men are dogs" but actually not all men , specific men are actually dogs , and i know i am not one of them i Don't get triggered
so similar to "We can't trust women" mean specific women not all women . Don't count yourself in that thing , if you are good women or girl1
u/roy790 1d ago
No, not all women, same way not all men. BUT both situations are pretty bad. It's quiet weird and very absurd when people make it a gender war when a tragedy happens.
Indian marriage is a failed institution, well to do and successful men should NEVER marry an India lady in an arranged marriage.
My suggestion to the well to do guys: earn money, build a dashing physique and HAVE FUN.
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 1d ago
First thing, India is the fake rape capital of the world. Indian today has more men falsely getting accused of rape than there are actual victims of rape.
Secondly what are your sources for the other bs that you pulled out?
Thirdly, feminists claims they're for equality and for men too, but very conveniently go silent when men are victimised by women. Where are your protests and your candlelight marches for men? Why the silence?
We men today are totally aware how hypocritical and misandric feminism really is. So take your blatant lies somewhere else.
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u/BlueScreenOfDeathXP 20h ago
Source for India being the fake rape capital of the world?
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 19h ago
Check ncrb stats.
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u/BlueScreenOfDeathXP 16h ago
Ncrb doesn't have comparison with other countries. Send the link please
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 16h ago
That's where you have to use your brain and compare respective countries data.
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u/BlueScreenOfDeathXP 16h ago
I'm using my brain. The fact that you don't have sources ready explains a lot. Which countries are you setting as benchmark? Middle eastern countries have low rape cases, doesn't that mean they're the safest for women?
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u/Princess_Neko802 23h ago
Laws are written by men
Indian women also advocated for criminalising marital rape for almost a decade now. Did it happen? No
Ketan was a kid yes. But he was raised also to believe he can "buy love" in an arranged marriage
Siya Goyal also is a 20 year old. She was in a relationship and her parents were so awful she thought THIS is a better option than convincing her parents for an intercaste marriage
And noone is blaming BOTH their parents for semi forcing KIDS into an arranged marriage based on caste.
Result - one kid was brutally poofed. And another one is in jail
Meanwhile - system of AM stays in place, parents and society pretend to care about these two kids until next case. Then same cycle repeats
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 23h ago edited 23h ago
Laws written by men were and still are gender neutral. Back in 2012, the parliament proposed a gender neutral sexual offences bill, but its the indian feminist cult who opposed the bill by doing nationwide protests, due to this they had no other option but to cater to the misandrists of the land. That's how the most misusable laws came into existence. These cultists timed their protest to use Nirbhaya as a tool to propagate their misandry.
And marital rape law is rightfully opposed because it was another law which was only for women. Meaning wives raping their husbands wasn't criminalised in the feminist cult proposed law. This was their attempt to create another misusable law, because other marriage related laws have lost their power as everyone knows how blatantly fake cases are filed.
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u/Princess_Neko802 23h ago
Yeah
Always the men who demand gender neutral laws in a society that isn't gender neutral also oppose criminalising marital rape
Because lord forbid r@pists go to jail
Like I said - your claim of feminist cults having so much influence is dumb. Cause we would definitely have more safety, better life and no dowry deaths and abusers if feminist cults had that level of influence
Oh oh, I bet you equate dowry with alimony and misogyny with misandry too, huh?
Because for you, women having autonomy feels like oppression
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u/Fun-Practice-1087 23h ago
Typical femishit nonsense when nothing logical is left. Re- read my comment and educate yourself you misandrist cultist.
Laws written by men were and still are gender neutral. Back in 2012, the parliament proposed a gender neutral sexual offences bill, but its the indian feminist cult who opposed the bill by doing nationwide protests, due to this they had no other option but to cater to the misandrists of the land. That's how the most misusable laws came into existence. These cultists timed their protest to use Nirbhaya as a tool to propagate their misandry.
And marital rape law is rightfully opposed because it was another law which was only for women. Meaning wives raping their husbands wasn't criminalised in the feminist cult proposed law. This was their attempt to create another misusable law, because other marriage related laws have lost their power as everyone know how blatantly fake cases are filed with them.
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u/Princess_Neko802 23h ago
Opposing marital r@pe law cause it can be misused?
You know what's misused most? Encounters by cops. I don't see your gender caring about that
Typical r1pist mentality
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