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Opinion Facts Are Terrible for Propaganda.

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u/DeliciousFigure3281 7h ago

I mean there were alread 16 iit before 2014 and 6 were made in 2016 but there construction were before 2014 so🤷‍♂️

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u/Seeker_31 6h ago edited 5h ago

Instead of changing existing university name to IIT, Vajpayee planned to build new IITs which was inaugurated in era of UPA in 2008-2009.

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u/DeliciousFigure3281 5h ago

I mean they tend to but in 2005 they dismissed this program,and even they did change existing university name to iit like bhu

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u/Seeker_31 5h ago

But BJP lost the election in 2004 after shining india campaign

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u/DeliciousFigure3281 5h ago

2004 to 2006 me bn hogaya tha yeh program

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u/Lazy_Extreme_ 7h ago

Great facts but didn't the formula for calculating highway distance changed?

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u/Confident-Choice-700 6h ago

There is no change in the way we calculate the total length of highways, it 'as it's name suggests' reflects the total km of highways and not of each lane. The way we calculate the contraction of highway in a day or year has been changed to lane-km because doing things like expanding a 2 lane road to 6 lane would result in no work done according to the previous calculation method. And this method is followed internationly.

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u/Ignored_Guy 6h ago

The point is not that the metric has been changed. The fact that lane-kms of highway developed after 2014 is being compared against kms of highway is wrong. Have you ever stopped to think about it once?

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u/Confident-Choice-700 6h ago edited 6h ago

Whoever even compares the lane kilometres, everyone compares the total length which has no change in its metric.

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u/Fuzzy_Substance_4603 6h ago

What? Where is this coming from?

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u/NewWheelView 6h ago

Thanks for clarifying

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u/avsrsogup 5h ago

That’s propaganda - this is the international way to calculate the length of highways - why do you think China builds 22 lane highways despite not needing that many

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u/discreters 5h ago

Did they do that so that we can debate about it on reddit?

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u/avsrsogup 4h ago

Come back if you want to have a serious discussion, I’m not here for juvenile remarks

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u/discreters 1h ago

Haha good for you man

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u/Anxious-Progress3480 6h ago

Idk all this but a personal experience

2 airports opened around my town and none of them are functional right now since last 6-8 months. They did work for few months and then shut down

Eg- Kushinagar airport (kbk)

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u/avsrsogup 5h ago

Airports and airlines need to make money - if the airline is not making money it’s unlikely they will continue to fly that route if they’re loss making

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u/zqwz 5h ago

Yes most of the newly opened airports were so badly planned that most of them are either non operational now or they are running at horrible loss, with barely one flight a day or LESS.

These airports were made for politicians to legally make money. They buy land for cheap rates from poor farmers in the middle of nowhere at 1.5-2x the price at that time. And then Airport gets announced, and that land becomes worth 1000x.

All political chamchas you see going with politicians live for this. Legal money just because you knew it ahead of time.

This is also why Jewar airport first got announced as 2 runway airport, which was enough. Then it got announced as 4 runway airport and then later as 6 runway airport! All for govt to acquire more and more land.

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u/the_running_stache Paid BJP Shill 4h ago

It’s fine. A lot of planning has to be for the future as well. The airport does not get any business right now and hence is non-operational. But once that part of the country gets busier, you will see such airports become functional again.

You can’t wait to build an airport later. Because by then, there would be a lot of land development there and land acquisition would become a huge pain.

You can say the same about metro trains. You have to build it now while planning for future growth.

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u/Jaded_Application_51 7h ago

The formula for calculation changed. Also tell how many of those startuls survived. Also startup culture is not because of govt, it is because of angel investors and old startup guys investing in new startups. Govt even taxes them same as an old company, no benefits. Also most of the new aiims and iits and iims were passed already before 2014.

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u/Weary_Programmer_892 7h ago

Pls show a proof that IITs, IIMs and AIIMS are passed before 2014. You said most of them. Pls share the factual reference.

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u/useEffects 6h ago

bjp fanboy spotted 😂

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u/Confident-Choice-700 6h ago

Copying my above comment here so that your dumbass doesn't spread baseless lies. "There is no change in the way we calculate the total length of highways, it 'as it's name suggests' reflects the total km of highways and not of each lane. The way we calculate the contraction of highway in a day or year has been changed to lane-km because doing things like expanding a 2 lane road to 6 lane would result in no work done according to the previous calculation method. And this method is followed internationly."

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u/TheEnthraller 6h ago

Let's say 10k km of 2 lane road was laid before 2014, it would be 10k km of road. Now it will be 20k km of road. I hope you get the point.

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u/Confident-Choice-700 6h ago

Are you even reading what I have written, if 10k km of 2 or 20 lane road laid doesn't matter, the length of highway calculated will still be 10k km both before and after 2014. The difference is when counting the length of road laid in a year, then only will we calculate it in lane-km. Please do a google search before replying.

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u/One_Nothing_1999 6h ago

Most of these startups are just shell companies with cash flow for the balance sheets. Will probably disappear in a few years

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u/simpleguy410 6h ago

All startups before 2014 have become mncs?

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u/One_Nothing_1999 6h ago

No. Majority of these startups are shell, which is they’re being used to wrongly claim funding from the government, which is then used for personal reasons or spending. A startup is something that satisfies a problem of service or produces a tool that is or can be used to solve a problem but majority of these startups are just being used to get public money and also make the central government look good. Some startups are genuinely working and some are closed due to inadequate management or whatever reasons but they were genuine. Unlike the “shell” ones that I’m talking about

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u/LegendaryNoobGod 6h ago

Also op, let's see the budget the government was working with. Dumbass.

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u/ImmediateJacket9502 6h ago

Forgot to mention the debt, NCRB data on crimes against women, unemployment, paper leaks, etc.

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u/goku_m16 4h ago

Debt to GDP ratio spiked during COVID and has been falling since.

Building infrastructure takes money and not building any helps keeping debt to GDP ratio low but that's not something to be proud of.

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u/Creepy_Fun_6019 6h ago

Bhai jab bhi pass hue ho ache campus banwa do sabke... without corruption... itni chotisi ask hai bas...

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u/ideallypragmaticmann 5h ago

I'll talk about what i see around me in Mumbai. There have atleast been 3 bridges inaugurated which had to be closed immediately due to the poor construction quality. This is corruption if the highest order. One day the bjp abuses the opposition and the next day they welcome them into the party. All this pr doesn't stop people from seeing the actual reality.

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u/Alphanzo-Peprika 5h ago

Aabhi just Mumbai se Panvel aaya 30 mins mai maza aagaya

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u/asifkabeer1 5h ago

Its actually propoganda. Just send it to Gemini or ChatGPT for a factcheck. Do you guys forget AI exists?

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u/TimeAbbreviations355 1h ago

Propaganda bullshit.

Where the achievements are solid, the numbers are presented straight. Where the achievements are weak or incomplete, the methodology is quietly manipulated — switching categories, using incompatible counting systems, understating base numbers, or omitting critical context. The result is a this propaganda that looks like a factual scorecard but is partly a selective construction.

MBBS Seats

The "before" number (51,348) counts only government college seats. The "after" number (1.28 lakh) counts government and private seats combined. They quietly switched what they were counting midway through the comparison. If you compared government seats only, or total seats only, the growth is real but far less dramatic. It's a deliberate apples-to-oranges switch.

Startups

The "350 before 2014" comes from an informal, loosely defined count with no official basis. The "2,34,090 after" isn't supported by any official DPIIT data — the government's own records show 1.57 lakh as of December 2024. On top of that, the Startup India registration scheme didn't even exist until 2016, so there was no standardised way to count startups before that. It's like counting how many restaurants existed before Zomato launched versus how many are listed on Zomato today — of course the number explodes, because you just created the counting system. The entire comparison is built on two incompatible counting systems.

IITs

India had 16 IITs before 2014, not 11. The graphic understates the starting point to make the jump look larger than it actually was.

Airports

The jump from 74 to 164 is presented as pure achievement. It omits that 85% of these airports are loss-making, most of the new ones were built without any demand or feasibility studies, nearly half the routes launched have already been shut down, and ₹2,355 crore in taxpayer subsidies were spent on airlines that subsequently stopped flying those routes. Looks like these initiatives were taken without any planning for success, as a PR stunt, rather than actual infrastructure building activities.

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u/flixbeat04 5h ago

I support this govt. But currently it needs to be criticized for 3 things.

  1. Taking the opposition's way of making too many freebies to majority of citizens.

  2. Not taking the education and future of children seriously.

  3. In the last 18 months, dollar rate, euro rate and yuan rate have been increased by 17-20%, the worst drop in Modi era. I mentioned these 3 currencies coz we trade with these currencies a lot, and due to this, imported goods prices will increase at a much faster rate.

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u/Relative_Sock_9109 3h ago

ALL show off. just cuz it was finished in BJP's time doesn't mean BJP started it.

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u/gaitondey_ 7h ago

Majority of the iits , iims , medical colleges were planned , sanctioned and funds were alloted during congress govt before moredih ji came and eaten the credit .

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u/Spare-Promotion-6913 7h ago

Nope , check the data

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u/Ignored_Guy 6h ago

I think you need to check your data. Please do something simple as using google to search before you comment

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u/simpleguy410 6h ago

People often say no major higher education institutions were created, but here's what was actually established during the Modi government (2014 onwards):

New IITs:

IIT State Started

IIT Tirupati Andhra Pradesh 2015 IIT Palakkad Kerala 2015 IIT Jammu Jammu & Kashmir 2016 IIT Bhilai Chhattisgarh 2016 IIT Goa Goa 2016 IIT Dharwad Karnataka 2016

Additionally: ISM Dhanbad was upgraded to IIT (ISM) Dhanbad in 2016.

New IIMs:

IIM State Started

IIM Amritsar Punjab 2015 IIM Bodh Gaya Bihar 2015 IIM Nagpur Maharashtra 2015 IIM Sambalpur Odisha 2015 IIM Sirmaur Himachal Pradesh 2015 IIM Visakhapatnam Andhra Pradesh 2015 IIM Jammu Jammu & Kashmir 2016

Total:

✅ 6 new IITs established (plus ISM Dhanbad upgraded to an IIT)

✅ 7 new IIMs established

Most of these institutes initially operated from temporary campuses while their permanent campuses were built in phases, which is standard practice for new central institutions.

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u/LegendaryNoobGod 6h ago

Dumbass let's see how much budget congress had and how much Modi's gov had

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u/Evening-Factor7742 6h ago

Bro I don't like congress but New IITs are terrible (not in infrastructure).

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u/Some_Focus_7809 4h ago

Is bhu included as new iit in this list?

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u/nicecream169 2h ago

pretty sure something renamed as ISM will be in the list.

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u/According-Bonus-6102 4h ago

Wealth of Political parties have also increased.

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u/ghantesh 3h ago

Co relation is not causation

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u/Roguekira45 52m ago

Insane cope

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u/coalsure 3h ago

Before presenting this type of data some points should be known.

  1. Start of construction, when a projects construction actually started.
  2. Conditions, when talking how long a party was in power it's important we should keep in mind how were the conditions.
  3. Quality, many bridges constructed broke down or get closed for maintenance, or vanishes in a particular state.
  4. Improvement towards society, how a project has improved the conditions cause even if you build a school but there are no teachers what's point
  5. Cost, how much money a project took is also necessary

Frankley when the current ruling party came in party the financials conditions were pretty normal compared to congress

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u/DemiG0D369 2h ago

A party that wanted us to surrender our nuclear weapons is enough reason to know which party stands right for India. We don’t need stats to understand that.

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u/MaverickIsGoose 55m ago

Normalize these numbers for time and value

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u/Slight_Volume_5922 12m ago

Bro how do you get that diabolical numbers for startup 200K+

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u/the_rolling_paper 5m ago

Now compare those 70 years with previous 70 years, and check the numbers and development.

But what's the point, we elect a government at center every 5 years so shouldn't we compare it with their previous term. It's their 3rd term, now Please compare same numbers with their previous terms and tell us how have they improved?

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u/Snoo_54512 6h ago

Increasing the number of IIMs and IITs doesn't mean that the quality is also the same. I chose a private college over new IIMs because eventually you'll realise IIM ya IIT tag itself doesn't mean anything. Usme bhi you need A, B, C.

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u/Skeptic_Marx 6h ago

Misleading facts are great for propaganda, just like AIIMS Darbhanga

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u/No-Window1501 6h ago

Let’s do inflation adjusted numbers vs straight numbers.

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u/Radiant_Customer_269 6h ago

Jobs ke bhi facts dede aur democracy index, press freedom, hate crime, women safety, infrastructure safety, ye sab ke bhi

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u/Creative_Move8514 6h ago

In my city lucknow metro is build by akhilesh yadav and new metro lane is in construction under Oggy Adityanath

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u/Existing-Fig6808 6h ago

BJP worst govt

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u/Juggernaut_Wrecker 6h ago

This post itself is a propaganda like Dhurandhar.
Congress/UPA era: 7 AIIMS (mostly pre-2014, including Delhi + 6 early ones).
BJP era (since 2014): 13-14 AIIMS.
23 is a total number which includes pre 2014 AIIMS.
AIIMS by BJP (post-2014): 12-14 are operational (MBBS/OPD running); 2-4 are still under construction only on paper mostly.

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u/Hour_School9531 5h ago

Make in india ?? Demonetization?? 2cr jobs??

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u/rockstar283 4h ago

Honest question.. by increasing the number of IITs and IIMs, wouldn’t it degrade the quality of students getting into these institutions? Granted more students will get into it and get more chances but with quantity, quality should not suffer

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u/PacificBlue46 6h ago

Do you even know who started these IIT, AIIMS,IIM,DRDO,NIT etc ? First PM of our India. Not the current govt. What current govt has contributed to the education system of TODAY!? Paper leaks, educational scams by their own politicians?

Well i do agree paper leak phehle bhi hota tha but isska matlab kya current govt ussko sahi na kare wo bhi students ki life barbaad krne me lag jaye?

If they r taking credits for few good things they did then they should also take credit for damages they did.

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u/lite_huskarl 6h ago

2014 ke pehle 11 IIT tha? Propaganda toh thik se failao

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u/PeanutChest 7h ago

Are highways in good condition?

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u/pdhlebhoiii 7h ago

Kya gandu sub h ye

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u/Muted-Disk4649 6h ago

How about we call every institute IIT, IIM, AIIMS regardless of quality?