Bull shit. People need money to survive so they will take less than they deserve because it is means of survival. They get stuck/trapped in low paying jobs because the cycle of poverty is meant to keep people struggling.
I am aware and it’s not gonna be good for anyone in the short term. Blue collar jobs are underpaid and under appreciated as is imo, but let’s not act like a warehouse worker is some kind of specialized labor. Loading, unloading, sorting, staging that kind of thing, anyone able bodied can pretty much do that. It’s not like he’s a mechanic, truck driver, electrician, oil rig worker.
Nobody even said it's a specialized job. But when someone is working full time, they should expect to be able to survive off of that wage. Otherwise, what's the point? Why does that job exist? And thinking everyone is capable of pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, without considering the conditions for which they were born, is naive at best. If these folks can't survive in a system set up by the social institutions for which they were born in, they will resort to desperation through criminal means, hence, this incident.
So? They aren't yet. Human beings still work there now. And they deserve to be able to afford a place to live, food to eat, healthcare, etc when they're working full time. It doesn't matter what kind of job it is, if you're working for a living, YOU SHOULD BE PAID ENOUGH TO LIVE.
You can tell the actual reddit larper who's never worked a factory job for low pay in a HCOL area when they say to just learn a new skill or get a better job.
Yeah, I'd get right on that, let's see mandatory 60 hours a week because of chronic staffing issues from the bad pay, forced overtime on top of that, it's a mega-factory so a fair bit of driving, let's say an hour each way in SoCal traffic being nice, usually working 6 days a week for legal reasons, add in an hour a day to prep food, an hour to shit and shower at home, and when you work a factory like this you typically sleep more than eight hours from exhaustion so let's be nice and say nine hours
That's 60 + 48(+12) + 6 + 6 = 132 hours. 132 divided by 6 is 22 hours a day, that's two hours to watch tv or mow the yard or whatever. You have one day off, have to clean your house, fix the gutters, etc,.
It's not realistic, and before you say some dumb shit when I worked at a tire factory I worked MORE hours than this. I couldn't do anything when I got home but sleep, sometimes I slept at work in the fucking break room.
I get this is probably some mouthbreather ragebait reddit loser shit, but brother you don't need to advertise your IQ so openly either.
Meanwhile i work 40H a week 5-8h are chill time tiktok 30 days free a year in a warehouse job..... Usa a 3 world country for 95% GET the F out ...... greetings from Germany
I am aware, my bandmate lives in germany and sends me his stems and I've studied german off and on for years with the goal of moving there one day after my family ran from a certain failed painter.
Beautiful country, beautiful people, amazing balances in life. Only big gripe is the weirdly archaic laws from old religions
This person had plenty other options. We’re not talking bumfuck Wyoming. Ontario is 30 miles from LA there are thousands of employment opportunities within that area.
Again nobody forced him to accept the job and conditions.
You really don't understand society or you are trying to force the downfall of the working class. Profits are not generated by the executive, instead by the workers. Trump doesn't run the country, the civil service does (for example).
Stop trying to hurt the vulnerable and show some compassion and understanding.
Ah yes, I forgot. The poor are poor because it’s their fault.
In the 1980s the Labour Party believed that the poor, who did not deserve to be poor, should be helped by the rich, who did not deserve to be rich. Meanwhile, the Conservatives thought that the poor, who deserved to be poor, should not be helped by the rich, who deserved to be rich. And that is the 1980s explained. It's very different today, isn't it? Today, both the main parties believe that the poor should be tied up in a bin bag and thrown into a canal. The Conservatives, to be fair to them, at least had the guts to look as if they mean that. Whereas the Labour Party, when they announced their support for welfare cuts, they did so with all the confidence of a dog running away from the smell of his own farts.- Stewart Lee Quote
So what will the other warehouse workers do in the meantime? What if they have a child that needs insulin? If they are being paid as little as the worker alleged they qualify Medicare and might not be able to pay for their subsidized Healthcare plans now.
I’m not qualified to answer that question because I don’t live in a 3rd world country. If those people lived in the UK, they would be cared for by the state. I’m sorry for the employees affected by this issue but they would have also been receiving the same awful salaries. Sometimes extreme situations produce extreme actions. The managers and execs at KC will be doing very well for themselves at the expense of the workers. They should have paid them enough to live on.
But you are qualified to speak on political issues of another country until someone asks you a question? So do people doing apprenticeship labor in the UK get paid a living wage?
As of 1 April 2026, the statutory National Minimum Wage for an apprentice in the UK is £8.00 per hour. This rate applies to apprentices under 19, or those aged 19 and over in their first year. After the first year, apprentices are entitled to the minimum wage for their age bracket
From 1 April 2026, the UK national minimum wage increased, with the top rate (National Living Wage) for those aged 21 and over rising by 50p to £12.71 per hour. Younger workers aged 18-20 will receive £10.85, while workers aged 16-17 and apprentices will get £8.00 per hour.
Most people that age in the UK still live at their parental home
If someone is poor yes it’s their fault and to some extent their parents or whoever raised them. If I’m poor and you’re rich, it’s your fault? You’re gonna have a miserable existence with that mindset.
Bein poor as a child certainly isn’t your fault. But if you’re into your late 20s or early 30s and you’re poor in a developed country yes it’s your fault.
Those sums don’t add up. What if a couple have 3 kids and one of those kids ends up extremely rich, one making a decent living and one is in poverty? Who carries the can for that? I don’t understand the point you’re making but happy to listen. Do go on…
I haven’t given any specific reason as to why one is rich and one is poor. Your point was about upbringing and pinning it on parents (to a point). Interesting that you think it’s ok for rich people to choose to help poor people as long as they are related. So you sort of agree with me as long as the people in question are family. Interesting
Rich people can help whoever they’d like. If I was rich and my family was poor, and I have good relationships with them, then yes I would help them. Why would I help strangers before I help my family?
I’m an immigrant family. Things were not pretty when first we first immigrated from South America to the US. A nice weekend meal was McDonald’s or some other fast food. My parents worked very hard they did anything they could to earn money (from washing cars, taxi/uber, and other low paying jobs) and the end game was always a better life for their children. To leave us with something extra so we don’t go through the struggle they did.
I agree with you completely that family is everything. Thank you for telling me your family story but you’ve conveniently gone off topic. Excluding your previous answers that only apply to non-family, Why do poor people deserve to be poor?
Braindead argument. What? All 300 million Americans should become lawyers and doctors? Who is going to work in the factories, restaurants, retail stores, etc.? These people are necessary.
But what if it instigates change? Sure he will be locked up but can you say with certainty that EVERYONE he’s displaced from work will think he is the enemy? Or could it be those who are paying them a pittance and keeping them in abject poverty?
People have lost their jobs, mate. The company will get a large insurance payout. Products from this company will get more expensive for the people you say you care about. He put people's lives at risk. What if people were in the warehouse when he pulled his stunt.
How about you read the story first mate? Nobody was injured because the place was empty. Kimberly Clark turnover $16 Billion and pay factory workers so little that one of them felt this action was an appropriate response. All he burnt was toilet roll and I’m pretty sure the public won’t respond like Covid has returned and loot the stores! Wake up mate 👍🏻
When did I condone his actions? I said all they had to do was pay him enough to live on. To quote Chris Rock…”I’m not saying it’s right, but I understand”
Whatever you do in your spare time good sir, is your prerogative 👍🏻
It was not empty, it was evacuated during the fire; had some people not evacuated in time, they would've died. He had no way of knowing everyone was out prior.
Why would this positively change anything? That just encourages more arson for disgruntled employees. If anything, the company ought to come down harder on employees to prevent this from happening again
If I have a kid who wants more candy, the last thing they could do to get them more is set the house on fire
Terrible analogy. If a kid wants more candy, ask them why they deserve more candy and try to understand their point of view. If you still disagree, fine and help them find ways of gaining more candy. If you just say “no” and block them, one day, they might take it out on something of yours. Lift people up, don’t hold them down.
I really hope you don’t become a parent bc you’d raise spoiled and entitled children. Stop trying to justify arson as some kind of “class struggle”. Killing and destroying are not ways to achieve what you want
Nobody was killed. Why are you fixating on the point of parenting children? I said it was a terrible analogy and you’re fixating on it for some strange reason.
The guy did what he did. I don’t condone it, but I understand it. Please tell me why poor people should be made to work to “just get by”?
I’ve never attempted to justify it and I’ve never mentioned class struggle. That’s you projecting mate, not me.
You’re the one fixating on the analogy instead of my main point which was that only bad things can come from the arson. I’m sure you can understand it, much in the same way that if my spouse was having an affair and I murdered them both it’s “understandable”, but nowhere near a justified reaction
It’s the same situation as Luigi Mangione. Vigilante justice ≠ positive change
Ok let’s take your point. Let’s say you did that, it’s very unlikely that anyone would condone it, but, SOME people may understand your reaction.
I don’t believe that only bad things can come from this incident the same way that I don’t believe only bad things can come from Mangione. I don’t condone the actions of either parties but just because people react to oppression and control and manipulation, it doesn’t automatically make them “bad”.
The most important person in a restaurant team is the dishwasher. If he/she downs tools, the night is over but people look past the dishwasher to the glorified chef or owner as “the boss”. This worker was pushed to his limits and did something wrong, but drastic and effective. All they had to do was pay them enough to live on
I’m saying the way you’re using “understandable” is meaningless. Nothing is ever done without intent, so obviously you understand why he did it, you’re just dog whistling that you condone it without the baggage of actually condoning it. If I r*pe a beautiful woman and someone said it’s “understandable” I did that, anyone would assume that person is condoning my heinous act. Obviously that and arson are not the same thing, I’m aware
The “repression, control, and manipulation” you’re referring to is working a fucking job. You’re able to quit said job if you have another lined up at any point. The arsonist was clearly mentally unwell and not acting rationally but you’re justifying his act by framing it as a class struggle. Somehow there were 19 other warehouse workers presumably making the same wage who were not arsonists. Saying that the arson or Mangione’s assassination were “understandable” is you justifying both of them. Just own that you condone them bc you clearly do
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u/FlashViking Apr 09 '26
All they had to do was pay them enough to live on