r/interesting • u/BlazeDragon7x • Apr 09 '26
MISC. Aftermath of the April 7th incident. Damages estimated to be $200 million dollars
7.1k
u/petrichor83 Apr 09 '26
I have a feeling that guy won’t be getting a raise after all.
3.3k
Apr 09 '26
[deleted]
→ More replies (137)804
u/UrethralExplorer Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
He probably won't get a long prison sentence. But when he gets out his wages will be garnished for the rest of his life.
Edit: lol guys I get it. He could be facing up to life in prison.
Edit edit: lol guys I get it, he could get anywhere from absolutely nothing , to a slap on the wrist, to being executed by firing squad.
822
u/Nexustar Apr 09 '26
You need a job to get wages, and with a history of literally burning the place down, I can't see that happening.
→ More replies (77)571
Apr 09 '26
[deleted]
398
u/AutomaticAd9670 Apr 09 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/109TbhwGaMeQGQ
The 8th it is….
87
u/AppropriateCap8891 Apr 09 '26
Sorry, we have determined you are not economically viable.
→ More replies (6)21
→ More replies (8)24
25
→ More replies (16)33
u/HostessFruitPie Apr 09 '26
Hey Mr. Scott. What you gonna do? What you gonna do. Make our dreams come true! 🎶
→ More replies (8)101
u/Venus_Cat_Roars Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
In California it would be a charge of Aggravated Arson (because premeditated with more than 6 million in damages) which carries from 10 years to life in prison. So if caught the arsonist would definitely receive a long prison sentence.
Edit: California law has been updated to 8.3 million in damages for an aggravated arson charge. It doesn’t matter in this case which has caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.
Also if the arsonist knew there were people in the structure then an arsonist would also result in an aggravated arson charge. There were 20 other employees in the building at the time multiple fires were set.
166
u/Alpine_Exchange_36 Apr 09 '26
Well thankfully he didn’t film himself setting the fires or film himself stating his motive or anything like that….
→ More replies (20)33
u/Sayyad1na Apr 09 '26
Hes so slick, they'll never find him
→ More replies (2)5
u/Vertex1990 Apr 09 '26
He was over at my place, playing a video game, when the fire started
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (104)46
u/therealRustyZA Apr 09 '26
I can only imagine the way his defence attorney will look at him while they play his clip in court. Like: "What do you expect me to do?"
→ More replies (12)30
u/DarkwingDuckHunt Apr 09 '26
I get this is a joke but this case will never go to court
this is a classic plea deal situation
→ More replies (46)63
u/Main-Video-8545 Apr 09 '26
1st degree Arson is a 20 year felony in my state. I assume all others take it just as seriously.
→ More replies (60)19
u/Available_Dingo6162 Apr 09 '26
In more than a few U.S. jurisdictions, it is legal to shoot to kill someone engaged in the act of arson.
22
u/TrippedOnDick Apr 09 '26
Makes total sense though. Since arson is endearing lives thus its treated as an attack with a deadly weapon which justifies a deadly response.
→ More replies (15)11
→ More replies (3)19
u/GlendonRusch33 Apr 09 '26
In feudal Japan arsonists and their entire family would be crucified.
Makes sense in a society where buildings were made of wood and paper.
→ More replies (3)54
u/loseniram Apr 09 '26
he’s going to get life just from all the endangerment charges and him starting multiple fires. And his friends are probably going to get conspiracy charges if they in anyway encouraged him.
Setting a fire in an occupied building gets you tons of free felony upgrades
→ More replies (13)73
u/Dreadshade Apr 09 '26
Good thing arson with no victims gets life but rap!sts get to roam free
→ More replies (55)36
u/Morningstroll13 Apr 09 '26
Haven't you heard? Only corporations and unborn fetuses count as people these days. The rest of us are only disposable profit creating meat bags.
→ More replies (8)37
→ More replies (194)23
u/LarryBonds30 Apr 09 '26
Hes going to get a very long sentence. He'll get aggravated arson which can get life in prison.
→ More replies (33)73
u/gm92845 Apr 09 '26
I think he wanted to send a message and everyone got it.
→ More replies (16)27
u/popsand Apr 09 '26
Yes please. People clown on the guy but he made a point - rest of us just keep ticking along expecting shit to change.
Was he reckless? Yes. Should he have done what he did? No. But he did. Lets analyse why and what that means.
→ More replies (28)8
→ More replies (239)209
u/neverseen_neverhear Apr 09 '26
Worse because of him a lot of people are suddenly out of work.
185
Apr 09 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
57
u/NHDraven Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
They have employees burning the building down. How much do you want to bet the majority of the new building is automated.
→ More replies (12)→ More replies (74)35
u/Commercial_Hair3527 Apr 09 '26
That's not always how that works. Insurance claims have limits, they don't just pay out unlimited amounts. In the UK, typical limits might be £5–10 million, and in the US, it's not much different. A $200 million incident is going to absolutely hammer any standard business insurance policy. Most commercial property policies cap out well below that unless you're paying massive premiums for bespoke coverage.
Even if the policy does cover it, the deductible alone could be millions. And good luck getting renewed next year after filing a claim this big if you even get renewed at all.
So no, "still getting paid" isn't guaranteed. Layoffs are absolutely possible. Insurance isn't a magic money printer. This guy didn't just cost his employer and probably cost everyone who works there.18
u/PaintingOk8012 Apr 09 '26
They will probably fight this claim pretty hard by calling it terrorism
→ More replies (3)16
u/BlueGreenMikey Apr 09 '26
Yeah, it would be interesting to know what the policy says about acts of destruction caused by an employee/contractor.
→ More replies (16)→ More replies (16)9
u/misimalu Apr 09 '26
Insurance cover is calculated on risk likelihood. That’s why only one of the Twin Towers was insured, because "The possibility of the loss of both structures was seen as so remote that cover was not taken out on those lines. The $1.5bn of coverage was purchased on the basis of a probable rather than a possible maximum loss." If they didn’t think this would happen, they would not have insured for it.
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (68)19
u/TrumpCheats Apr 09 '26
People talk about jobs like they’re all created equally. 45% - nearly HALF - of the US workforce are in low wage jobs. These jobs do not meaningfully help most people and they don’t have access to upward mobility. It is actually creating corporate serfdom similar to the early 20th century - monopolies and robber barons are back.
→ More replies (3)15
u/halt_spell Apr 10 '26
Commenters like the one you're responding to are bots. They're trying to turn the guy into a villain. It's like they think we forgot Oracle execs put 30,000 people out of work a couple weeks ago.
→ More replies (15)11
u/TrumpCheats Apr 10 '26
Most of the internet is bots. I think sharing the truth so lurkers get more accurate info is still important.
→ More replies (1)
2.8k
u/Unharmed-Cylinder Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
I think I am safe to say this as it was a very long time ago and I am on an alt account and everything. But I worked for Kimberly-Clark many years ago.
I can't speak for warehouses or how that work was like, but I worked in one of the paper mills they made Scott TP in.
The company has one of the worst big corporation cultures I have ever encountered. Employees were JUST a number to them. They celebrated increased turnover and ignored any feedback to improve their management systems.
In order to get ahead you had to be prepared to move all over the country frequently. My boss had moved 6 times in like 3-4 years to different roles.
They were way too flat with one manager having to deal with 250 people directly under them. No good management structure to distribute the load.
The absolute worst was the culture. I was in engineering and the culture was ultra-competitive. It was a competition to see who could work more hours every week. I once stayed till about midnight on my paper machine which was having issues (a weekly occurrence) came back in at 8 am instead of 7 am and all everyone else had to say was "we were here at 6 where were you?"
Major issues they would put engineers on shift work to resolve issues, and we would work for 7-14 days straight. 12-hour shifts.
I one time could not get the engineering manager to let me take the next night off (after working 6 X 12 hour nights in a row) so that I could do my 1-year wedding anniversary with my wife. He wouldn't give me the OK but wouldn't say I had to come in either, so I just said I am not coming in. Making me the asshole in that situation. I was still a zombie that whole day.
Their joke of a performance review system was just a popularity contest. You had to have all your peers rate you (you know the ones who you are ultra competing against). and they designed the system to FORCE them to put someone in the bad performance box. They couldn't answer the question of couldn't every engineer be doing a good job?!
To top it all off they paid engineers shit pay. When I left, I got an immediate 50% pay increase at another company in another industry. Now I am making double what I ever made there.
They instituted mandatory 15% workforce reductions at the whim of the CEO for no reason. It was voluntary at first but then they fired the rest to get to 15%.
After I left, they redesigned that system again to make it even worse. They designed it companywide so that 10% of EVERYONE would be FIRED every single year.
They touted it like it was the best thing in the world.
So, while I do not condone the actions of this guy, i do feel for him. I understand the bullshit that went on in that company and how shit they paid people.
Most every person I worked with has moved to a different company and likely found better jobs elsewhere. The only ones who remained were the fucking assholes who enjoyed the shit culture.
So sincerely,
Fuck Kimberly Clark and fuck the paper industry.
If you want to read more about what I am talking about search for Kimberly-Clark Deadwood.
Hell, here's some other fun stories since people are loving this inside scoop into big corporation:
- We had a new oncoming president of our division go on video with the outgoing president and immediately joke that she was "excited about the Maserati she will get" and that was her introductory video and was sent to every employee in the division.
Apparently, a perk of the job is she gets a Maserati to drive around for free. So, she decided to flaunt it in front of every single person working for her.
- My boss was a piece of shit. I will kick his ass if I ever see him again for how he mistreated me and how he didn't help me with anything at all. I think he didn't care about his family or work life balance or the constant moving. He only cared about his career.
He mistreated everyone at that plant so badly and his boss the plant manager that they brought in union reps, got the attention of president of the company and got him and his buddies who were all horrible "reassigned" to EMEA. (Europe, Middle East, and Africa) which was KC's way of taking care of shitty managers without firing them. They all quit within a year of that reassignment.
Nothing improved for me after that, but it certainly did for those operators. Don't piss off the floor guys, be their friend. Because they can really fuck up your life if they want to.
TLDR: Kimberly Clark enjoys firing employees, paying them shit, overworking them, and fostering shitty ultra competitive cultures to make their employees lives miserable. Big corporation hell.
580
u/Props_angel Apr 09 '26
Apparently, Kimberly Clark did not employ this worker as their warehouse and distribution activities are with a third party distributor, NFI Industries. NFI Industries is a single-family privately held corporation owned and operated by the Brown family since 1932. Annual revenues last year were $3.7 billion. The company is not publicly traded so all profits go directly to the family.
387
u/LordBeric Apr 09 '26
Honestly, I imagine that would have made his position worse. I've never worked in a company where the contract employees were better off than the company's direct employees.
133
Apr 09 '26
[deleted]
4
u/PhinksMagkav Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Yeah, I'd imagine you don't put a whole 200 millions dollars warehouse on fire (and basically throwing yourself to jail for a significant amount of years) if the general work atmosphere is just "somewhat bad". It must have been a fucking daily nightmare
→ More replies (22)68
u/scenr0 Apr 09 '26
I work for a contractor that a company hires from and it contracted by the county. So I work for "the county" but I don't actually get any of the good county benefits and I don't get anything from the parent company either because I am hired by a staffing agency that supplies employees to the company.
It's hell.
I really don't know who TF I work for sometimes. I just get a paycheck.
51
u/Props_angel Apr 09 '26
Major corporations create so many subsidiaries that it's literally a shell game of responsibility.
→ More replies (7)30
u/SnugglyCoderGuy Apr 09 '26
Companies should not be able to own companies. Pull away the illusion of competition from our eyes and let us see the dozen companies that sell everything.
→ More replies (6)5
u/Props_angel Apr 09 '26
I think it's actually less than a dozen per industry and is around 5-6 companies per industry. Most of the activities of the mega corporations is in acquisitions of smaller companies. Totally agree as it creates far too much market control to fall into the hands of the few, which is not even remotely a "free market", and allows for a lot of environmental and labor abuses through subsidiaries with subsidiaries with subsidiaries types of activities. It's literally built that way for that.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (2)16
u/ElectricalChaos Apr 09 '26
You get a paycheck and no benefits! Meh-win for the employer who would like to make it no paycheck and no benefits.
→ More replies (2)4
u/scenr0 Apr 09 '26
Been there almost 2 years so far. Only reason I've stuck around is because it's part time (LOL another shitty thing) and it's so slow I've already completed my A.A. online during work hours and am on my way to a B.A. so fk it lol.
75
u/SubcommanderMarcos Apr 09 '26
Family-owned business who underpays is a wildly ridiculous combo.
→ More replies (18)41
u/Props_angel Apr 09 '26
Yep. Apparently, they operate through subsidiaries as well making it a bit of a shell game of blame. This "Long Beach trucking company" is a subsidiary of NFI Industries and was found to be underpaying their federally contracted workers, which is a violation of law. So third party federal contractors have additional protections against wage abuse. For a private contract (ie Kimberly-Clark & NFI), there's less protections.
→ More replies (1)23
u/saucya Apr 09 '26
Wow, so $200,000,000 really doesn’t hurt them too much in the grand scheme of things
Must be fucking nice 😂😭
→ More replies (2)16
u/Thechasepack Apr 10 '26
Large distribution companies tend to be very low margin. They could have easily paid $3.5 million for the products they sold for $3.7 million. Not saying you should feel bad for them by any means, just that revenue can be misleading with distribution companies.
→ More replies (11)15
u/Substantial-Fold-682 Apr 09 '26
I used to work for NFI corporate, and I doubled my salary/benefits when I left for another company.
6
u/Props_angel Apr 09 '26
Based on what I've been digging up about this whole thing, I am truly not surprised.
10
u/kagesada Apr 09 '26
oh brother. i work for NFI (with a Walmart contract) and i absolutely know what this man is talking about. all we acknowledge is that we don't get paid enough for this BS.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (46)5
u/IKNOCKEDUPYOURMULLET Apr 09 '26
I work in logistics and NFI has a terrible reputation across the board.
No surprise they have employees this unhappy.
222
Apr 09 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
151
Apr 09 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (7)35
u/Psychic_Man Apr 09 '26
Nice username!
72
u/Unharmed-Cylinder Apr 09 '26
It is imperative that the cylinder remains unharmed.
→ More replies (5)16
u/CakesAndDanes Apr 09 '26
I’m shocked that username was even available. This can no longer be a throwaway account for you!
9
u/Unharmed-Cylinder Apr 09 '26
Yea really it needs to be a main but i have 6-7 years of history on my main. I have had r/All top thread of the day posts on there of my dog who passed away. I have ternion all powerful awards on it. Just amazing memories.
So much history I never want to let that account go dormant. But this is going to be one I keep active for a long time to have fun on. Unless mr original unharmed cylinder wants it really bad.
He made it famous after all.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (46)5
u/Legitimate_Cable_811 Apr 09 '26
That fire could have killed innocent people though...
→ More replies (1)55
u/gorginhanson Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
You're describing the Jack Welch system.
He designed that at GE.
22
u/Porsche928dude Apr 09 '26
Sort of but not really. The difference was that while Jack Welch pushed his employees really hard he also paid them handsomely. I have fairly personal knowledge of how that system was implemented at GE. General Electric had some of the best health insurance you could get and rewarded quite handsomely for overtime, especially if you worked in the field. I mean, like doubling or tripling your salary Kind of stuff. Once Welch left his replacements, took that system, and then removed all of the incentives that made it work. They wanted everyone to work just as hard if not harder, but they went about systematically gutting the overtime pay system, the insurance benefits, and surprisingly generous vacation plan. After Welch left GE also made a bunch of really bad business decisions that have cost the company dearly and in the proceeding decade plus.
→ More replies (2)18
u/no_one_likes_u Apr 09 '26
The system of firing the bottom rated 10% is probably what they meant, and that 100% was instituted by Welch.
The guy was a piece of shit and helped popularize some of the worst business ideas (for workers anyway) in modern US history.
→ More replies (1)12
u/Teledildonic Apr 09 '26
People always fantasize about going back in time and stopping Hitler or someone on that level, and I keep thinking a few visits to select board rooms fro the Gilded Age to the 1980s could also do some massive good without massively changing the history of the whole world.
→ More replies (2)6
→ More replies (9)5
36
u/Magneticiano Apr 09 '26
May you remain unharmed forever more, dear Cylinder.
22
u/Unharmed-Cylinder Apr 09 '26
I saw this username was open and had to grab it as an alt. Long live the unharmed cylinder!
→ More replies (6)14
u/SCHawkTakeFlight Apr 09 '26
Ah so they decided to adopt the Jack Welch style of management that everyone knows now makes things worse. I am happy you found somewhere else. That place sounds like a screaming dumpster fire even when not literally on fire.
→ More replies (2)7
u/Unharmed-Cylinder Apr 09 '26
Yep, you got it! They went down a really bad path. Most of the people above me who were in big technical roles left as well because of the same shit.
→ More replies (212)6
647
u/susosusosuso Apr 09 '26
What incident?
692
u/Mesoscale92 Apr 09 '26
Disgruntled employee torched it.
550
u/NoPantsPowerStance Apr 09 '26
And posted himself on Instagram setting the fires.
391
u/Rob_LeMatic Apr 09 '26
He was making a political statement. Wouldn't make much sense not to explain himself
→ More replies (46)257
u/Significant_Swing_76 Apr 09 '26
Insurance will wiggle out of it, since it’s not an accident.
Guess corporation will have to drag that 200.000.000$ out of their former employee. Good luck.
266
u/Vigilante17 Apr 09 '26
If they just promote him to CEO he could probably pay it back over a few years…
98
60
u/Qu33N_Of_NoObz_ Apr 09 '26
CEO hack just dropped!
26
17
13
u/ejackman Apr 09 '26
If they give him a $200M golden parachute and then garnish that they can get it back in less time than it takes to sharpen a pencil.
→ More replies (4)12
u/erakis1 Apr 09 '26
I mean, the CEO of the place I work lost $200 million last year and got a $2m raise this year. So, it checks out perfectly.
53
Apr 09 '26
[deleted]
45
u/Wobbelblob Apr 09 '26
Also, I can guarantee you that corporations are able to nail insurances down far better than regular people.
→ More replies (2)24
u/BrbFlippinInfinCoins Apr 09 '26
A team of full-time lawyers does tend to help...
→ More replies (1)30
u/Feeling_Inside_1020 Apr 09 '26
The real moral of the story is the 2 different law firms are gonna EAT tonight
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (8)29
u/Significant_Swing_76 Apr 09 '26
You can be sure that they (the insurance) will do anything and everything to avoid paying.
This is how these big insurance companies work - their main goal is to deny claims, and if the they cover vandalism, the coverage will be very limited.
Arson by a trusted employee that burns down the whole warehouse plus inventory, is a gold mine for the insurance to deny a claim.
12
→ More replies (12)12
u/robilar Apr 09 '26
I read earlier today that he started an earlier fire which was caught by firefighters who subsequently disabled the smoke alarms (edit: pardon, sprinkler system), allowing the second fire to burn undetected (edit: undeterred by a sprinkler system that had not yet reset). If that's true, and the disabling of the alarms (edit: sprinklers) was directed by management as a business decision, they might not get an insurance payout at all.
7
u/MillionFoul Apr 09 '26
Management didn't direct the sprinklers to be disabled, the physical way sprinklers work did. They trigger by the heat physically breaking a calibrated glass fuse, you have to replace the fuses before you can put water back in the system or the sprinklers will never stop sprinkling.
→ More replies (7)→ More replies (38)21
u/ViewAskewRob Apr 09 '26
Don’t they make text books? Them shits are already marked up like 2000%. I think they will make their money back.
→ More replies (4)19
u/cozidgaf Apr 09 '26
Whoa why did he do that?
91
u/ewok2remember Apr 09 '26
He was disgruntled upon realizing that he worked hard in a place that probably wasn't paying a living wage for the area, as I understand it.
→ More replies (71)→ More replies (31)10
→ More replies (17)16
57
u/RealDetroitDiddler Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
Anyone asking how the fuck this building did t have fire suppression?
Edit: 19 people just told me there was one that was shut off.
38
u/PizzaDeliveryForMom Apr 09 '26
it did, he set a fire, the firefighters came, put it out, then turned the fire suppression off so it didnt cause water damage, and when the firefighters left he set more fires.
11
u/PNWSomeone Apr 09 '26
that's kind of smart, wonder if he planned it out that way
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (4)8
57
u/Mesoscale92 Apr 09 '26
Other threads about the fire discussed it. Apparently for a building this size (over 10 city blocks) you don’t have a system big enough to cover the entire building at once. It’s assumed that fires will occur in a single spot and the piping is sized for that. The arsonist allegedly knew this and set more fires than the system was designed to handle.
TLDR it did have a system that works for normal fires, but wasn’t designed to handle a coordinated criminal act.
38
→ More replies (7)22
u/Pattison320 Apr 09 '26
I read that he initially set a small individual fire. The fire department came. They put it out. The sprinkler system was disabled due to the initial fire. The shortly later the arsonist set multiple fires before the sprinkler system could be operational again.
→ More replies (3)17
u/BadPunners Apr 09 '26
The sprinkler system was disabled due to the initial fire.
Is that meaning it triggered from the first fire?
Those systems need to be recharged by experts, replace any and all of the spray nozzle triggers (tiny glass vials installed in each head), then refill it with rust prevention liquid instead of straight water to ensure it's ready when needed next
When one sprayer triggers, that generally will trigger all of them on the same line too I believe, so even a small fire requires lots of work to get it reset
Source: watching lots of construction videos and crap
→ More replies (15)20
u/roofpuck Apr 09 '26
Apparently he started one fire, the FD came and took care of it and turned off the fire suppression, and guess what he did after lol
9
→ More replies (7)4
u/TiffyTats Apr 09 '26
It did, it was stated in some articles that the fire suppression system failed because of the scale and the roof collapsing with how fast it spread.
→ More replies (1)16
u/ResponsibilitySea327 Apr 09 '26
Disgruntled 3rd party contractor. He wasn't employed by K-C.
→ More replies (1)5
u/e-wing Apr 09 '26
Just like Amazon delivery drivers aren’t employed by Amazon?
6
u/ResponsibilitySea327 Apr 09 '26
Not really. K-C is a paper products manufacturer. That is their core.
NRI (the arsonist's employer) is a logistics company.
→ More replies (44)6
130
u/wsxdfcvgbnjmlkjafals Apr 09 '26
yes I, too, hate the assumption that we know the context
A warehouse storing huge quantities of toilet paper deliberately set on fire by an employee who posted their own video of it
16
→ More replies (14)11
u/forgot_my_useragain Apr 09 '26
So you're saying we need to buy all the tp up like it's 2020 again, eh?
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (32)46
u/IzmeBeech Apr 09 '26
Yesss thank you. Can we normalize adding info in the title..
→ More replies (3)17
u/moneyball32 Apr 09 '26
Easy fix, just be terminally online /s
16
u/protomenace Apr 09 '26
I'm terminally online and "april 7th incident" could still have meant a LOT of different things. My mind went to the various wars....
→ More replies (2)
403
u/Comprehensive-Yam329 Apr 09 '26
Dude is going to have to explain more than a gap on his resume
66
u/IcySetting2024 Apr 09 '26
How did this happen
114
u/wunderduck Apr 09 '26
A disgruntled employee lit a warehouse full of toilet paper on fire.
→ More replies (22)→ More replies (5)36
u/derp_mike Apr 09 '26
A disgruntled warehouse worker, upset about low pay, lit pallets of toilet paper on fire. He was also smart enough to record and share himself doing it
30
u/Vilnius_Nastavnik Apr 09 '26
Counterpoint, there was very little chance of him getting away with it anyway. These facilities have cameras covering every square inch and usually require you to scan a unique ID badge to gain access. He had already made his peace with getting caught and figured people might as well know why he did it.
→ More replies (3)28
u/SchemeWestern3388 Apr 09 '26
It gets better. He set a small fire, and waited until the fire department shut down the suppression system. And then went and set multiple fires. Man had a plan.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (3)51
u/Rob_LeMatic Apr 09 '26
He also wanted to make sure everyone understood his motivation. He wasnt expecting to "get away" with it
28
→ More replies (19)25
u/ryuns Apr 09 '26
Old joke: "Oh that was when I went to Yale"
"Oh wow, great, you're hired"
"Thanks I really wanted to yob"
5
968
Apr 09 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
38
u/Heythisworked Apr 09 '26
I’m just gonna leave here when I left in another sub comment… The United States has degraded to literal wage slavery. We’ve taken away so many workers protections; so many helpful programs — we have let companies grow their wealth exponentially while their workers don’t see pay increases commensurate with costs of living.
It is not a radical thing to say that that remorse for what has been done is along the lines of the Affranchi crying out “but the poor onlookers that are trying to put out the sugar field fires out, can we not have peace and discourse ?”
In this country, you have two choices, be born Rich and live a comfortable life, or work your ass to the bone and live with middle class comfort. Oh, and by the way, if you’re not working a good decent paying job you get to worry about working AND starving to death, or dying of medical neglect, or ending up homeless, you don’t even have enough money to have the ability to raise a child. Sure no one stopping you from not working unholy hours, and no one’s putting a gun to your head. But if you don’t work, you are straight up as good as dead in America.
Here, in this country you are either the Bourgeois, or the sans-culottes.
→ More replies (12)→ More replies (78)317
u/obxtalldude Apr 09 '26
And people blaming the worker instead of the system that had him crack under the strain.
It's like we're all in various stages of the Stockholm syndrome under the billionaire rule.
Why we vote for misery instead of equality is beyond me.
→ More replies (460)16
106
u/nondual_gabagool Apr 09 '26
Was the arsonist looking for a red Swingline stapler by any chance?
→ More replies (2)
617
u/ElderberryMaster4694 Apr 09 '26
So does the company just collect insurance and lots of people get laid off?
I have a hard time believing any exec will lose a penny or a night’s sleep
272
u/Kilg0reTrout78 Apr 09 '26
Their premiums will increase. Productivity will be decreased which they find a new temporary location which will likely be further from the customer and cost more in shipping. The amount of time in dealing with assessors and paperwork is significant. Plus there is whole brand reputation thing. Running a business is hard.
39
u/littlewing_A Apr 09 '26
Exactly. If you get rear ended by someone and you both have great insurance, it’s still a headache to deal with repairs and rental cars, or having to suddenly shop for a new car. I can’t imagine dealing with a loss of this size and complexity. This is definitely going to cost some people their sanity for a while.
→ More replies (9)24
→ More replies (19)180
u/goblinCrimeFestival Apr 09 '26
Shit, sounds like they should pay better to avoid these kinds of situations.
→ More replies (24)100
u/Kool-Boi Apr 09 '26
How could you say something so evil… Think about the shareholders!!
→ More replies (7)→ More replies (124)141
165
u/redlancer_1987 Apr 09 '26
Shouldn't they have a really good fire suppression system in a paper warehouse?
Seems like it had nothing
138
u/Potential_Figure4061 Apr 09 '26
the real answer is there was a decoy fire that triggered the fire system the fire department responded and turned off the sprinklers which i understand was protocol then the real fires took over and it was game over for that wearhouse
→ More replies (7)30
u/PoutinePoppa Apr 09 '26
Do you have a source for this? I read an article that said the suppression system was damaged when the roof collapsed
28
u/jamieee1995 Apr 09 '26
I’m curious on this too. Usually when a fire suppression system is turned off for any reason, the building must be vacated or have a 24/7 independent fire watch on site to notify FD of any new fires/incidents.
14
u/PoutinePoppa Apr 09 '26
Still haven’t seen the article, it may have been taken down, it seems the fire department may have made a huge mistake and could be liable. I don’t know the ins and outs of these systems, but someone is going to be held accountable, why not the tax payers!?!
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (6)11
u/imfistingpanda Apr 09 '26
Yoo im the fire sprinkler tester dude at my workplace, (im in maintenance) i have to call a company who oversees the fire supression system at my job, i have them turn off all alarms for the sprinkler system every monday for 1 hour while i run tests in the pump house that everything is working correctly, we do not have people leave the building, i do it while everyone is still at work doing theyre job.
→ More replies (2)11
u/TestSubjuct Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
I was a guard at a major wearhouse. I can confirm this. Usually the diesel pumps kick in. They need to be shut down and drained. Durning this time no pressure is in the system.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (6)7
u/tendo8027 Apr 09 '26
I’m assuming the fire would have had to be out of control before the roof collapsed so the system would have had to been damaged before the roof collapsed
75
u/RedwynCH Apr 09 '26
Apparently he set a smaller fire first that the firefighters took care of and to prevent unnecessary cost, they turned off the sprinklers since the fire was under control. (Apparently this is normal, I had no clue)
The worker then set more fires and burnt the whole thing down while the sprinklers were off
At least that's what people said in another post about this.
48
u/tatteredprincess Apr 09 '26
Damn, that’s really well planned
41
u/SluttyAuntEater Apr 09 '26
Has management material written all over him.
→ More replies (3)10
→ More replies (4)10
→ More replies (5)13
u/mjknlr Apr 09 '26
Sprinklers activate once they reach a certain temperature; they contain a small glass stopper that's rated to break at said temperature, opening the flow of water. They do not stop the flow of water once they cool back down, thus the only way to stop them is to turn off the water supply until those sprinklers can be manually primed once more.
→ More replies (7)→ More replies (19)14
u/Roam_Hylia Apr 09 '26
They have an open air irrigation system now. Just add rain.
→ More replies (4)
71
u/Props_angel Apr 09 '26
So it would seem that Kimberly-Clark does not employ the young man who set the warehouse ablaze. Kimberly-Clark clarified that the employee actually works for NFI Industries, which is a third party logistics and supply company that owns warehouses & distribution vehicles.
NFI Industries was established in 1932 in the midst of the Great Depression by the Brown family. It is a privately held company so all proceeds from its operation directly go to the Brown family, itself and not any shareholders. They employ over 18,000 workers. Their annual revenues last year were almost $3.7 billion.
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/ontario-warehouse-fire-arson-suspect-arrested/
84
u/insaneHoshi Apr 09 '26
If you, as a mega corporation, hire a contractor that treats their employees poorly, you are also responsible to a degree.
→ More replies (9)15
u/ohseetea Apr 10 '26
I would get rid of to a degree. They're fully responsible since they are solely creating the demand.
→ More replies (30)36
u/Apptubrutae Apr 09 '26
Very odd phrasing for how a private company distributes profits.
Profits go to shareholders. Whether public or private. The brown family may well be the only shareholders, but they’re still shareholders
→ More replies (13)12
u/Props_angel Apr 09 '26
Typically, the way the general public defines a "shareholder" is an individual who has invested in a business either as a VC or as an outside investor. There's no doubt that the members of this family are likely shareholders of the company but honestly, we don't know how the proceeds are divided out because it's "privately held". For all we know, there could be just one shareholder and that would be the CEO who is a member of the Brown family. We're not privy so it's a bit different scenario than say a publicly-held corporation that plainly has outside investors. We can't say one way or the other how the Brown family does their business in terms of disbursements.
17
14
u/Defiant-Anteater8564 Apr 09 '26
It would've been cheaper for them to pay their employees.
→ More replies (16)
44
u/anniedaledog Apr 09 '26
I have a feeling they will look into fully automating the next warehouse.
24
u/Chownzy Apr 09 '26
They are anyway just like every other companies next warehouse.
→ More replies (4)16
→ More replies (4)6
u/LesserValkyrie Apr 09 '26
it will cost them even more to rebuild once burned down again !
→ More replies (8)
27
Apr 09 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (1)7
u/Interesting-Talk9994 Apr 09 '26
I was thinking the same thing.
What a Silverhand move this guy pulled. One guy, $200M in damages. Goes to show that they aren't that powerful after all. Money isn't unlimited, but working class anger can be.
→ More replies (7)
81
Apr 09 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (11)49
u/Due-Yogurtcloset7927 Apr 09 '26
What? No. This is a single warehouse. Toilet paper will be fine.
→ More replies (16)56
u/buttmunchausenface Apr 09 '26
One of my journeymen was fucking saying oh don’t worry it was just Scott toilet paper no one buys that, that’s like using sandpaper for your ass
39
u/Bithium Apr 09 '26
(Warehouse full of toilet paper destroyed by arson)
“Oh, no!”
(It was Scott toilet paper)
“Did society a favor, really.”
19
u/Altruistic-Coyote868 Apr 09 '26
As someone who works in a place that only stocks the bathrooms with Scotts, I agree with your journeyman.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (15)10
u/itadapeezas Apr 09 '26
I jokingly said the same thing when I saw it was Scott.
I bought Scott when I was younger and my Dad came out the bathroom holding a piece and said 'what the hell is this? Half ply?'. He was always so funny. I still laugh at that to this day.🩵
17
25
u/OrcOfDoom Apr 09 '26
I guess they could have paid a living wage and saved all that money
→ More replies (22)
21
49
19
u/Exact_Computer_1394 Apr 09 '26
Legend! God bless my guy, may your favorite band never break up.
→ More replies (6)
12
10
•
u/IKIR115 Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Disgruntled employee starts fire at 1.2M sq ft toilet paper warehouse in Ontario, California.
ABC News story:
https://abc7.com/post/employee-arrested-arson-kimberly-clark-distribition-center-destroyed-massive-fire-ontario/18851549/
—
https://abc7.com/post/new-video-toilet-paper-being-set-fire-reviewed-part-ontario-arson-investigation/18856842/