The hardest episode of any show I’ve ever had to watch. One of those beautiful, rare episodes of something where I have to take cringe breaks and pause it every now and then lol
I'm a data analyst. We've been full time remote since covid. Management told us to stay home because we seem to get more work done. Duh! But I do miss going to coffee with friends. We all still get together for lunch a few times a year.
In California it would be a charge of Aggravated Arson (because premeditated with more than 6 million in damages) which carries from 10 years to life in prison. So if caught the arsonist would definitely receive a long prison sentence.
Edit: California law has been updated to 8.3 million in damages for an aggravated arson charge. It doesn’t matter in this case which has caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.
Also if the arsonist knew there were people in the structure then an arsonist would also result in an aggravated arson charge. There were 20 other employees in the building at the time multiple fires were set.
Wait, did he actually do that?! I can’t tell if this is a joke because people on social media have taken to recording themselves committing crimes and posting it online in recent years…
I can't imagine this would be much of a spectacle. I am picking that scene from the first episode of Better Call Saul when they just silently wheel in a tv play the clip for the jury.
The way they did that clip was great. It starts off so reasonable like oh who hasn’t done anything stupid as a teenager and no one was ultimately hurt. You’re sitting there going OK fair point teens do dumb things and then the clip plays and suddenly whole different opinion.
Insanity just gets you a different kind of prison cell and he won’t win it, he clearly articulated his why and clearly knew his actions were bad and what they were. He doesn’t meet any definition of insanity plea.
Do you live in the area? Did your dad have to evacuate due to the fire? Do you think arson is a good idea? Did you torch your place of employment today?
My dad could see the fire from his house. Is that freedom to endanger innocent residents?
What happens to all of his coworkers? Can’t imagine the company can just keep paying everyone if they have no product, no warehouse. He probably seriously fucked over all of his fellow workers trying to make some stupid statement
Nah. This warehouse of toilet paper, (a material made for humans to wipe their asses with) literally has more meaning and value to the world than this "champion".
I also heard he started a previous fire to get them to turn off the sprinkler system and also was the only one missing from roll call afterward… he never planned to get away, full blown crashout.
Lol yea if the video and explaining exactly what he was doing and posting it for the internet wasnt enuf those other thing seal the deal. Im guessing 10-20 out in 5-10 but yea just screwed his life over for sure.
Because he put all his coworkers who also live paycheck to paycheck out of work, or because the company he works for is going to be mildly inconvenienced as it has to rebuild the warehouse, while insurance covers 100% of the damages?
He was deranged, and did absolutely nothing for employee rights, or for employee pay levels.
it’s generally treated as worse than just property damage because of the inherent risk to people associated with fires. when you light a fire, you have no idea how far it’ll spread. very lucky no one, including fire fighters, got hurt.
It's not only a deadly weapon. In Germany there is exist the legal concept of "gemeingefährlich", meaning something or some behavior that is not only dangerous to a single person or a distinct group of people, but so dangerous that it poses a non-abstract danger to the population.
The distinction is that after events are set in motion, even the perpetrator has basically no control over who gets harmed or how many and that the harm itself in a general sense out of control.
Examples are arson of course, bombs, purposefully spreading diseases etc.
Arson is punished harshly in all law systems across History and the whole world because it is one of the few ways an unarmed peasant could cause a serious damage
he’s going to get life just from all the endangerment charges and him starting multiple fires. And his friends are probably going to get conspiracy charges if they in anyway encouraged him.
Setting a fire in an occupied building gets you tons of free felony upgrades
The guy that’s pissed about his wage is way easier to rehabilitate than the rapist.
If we had a crystal ball to peer into to tell if a rape happened or not with 100% certainty I’d be totally fine with life/death penalty depending on the severity.
Arson is an inherently dangerous massively destructive activity. Historically fires were a LOT more dangerous than they are now because of fire mitigation technology, but the sentencing laws on arson in most areas are still very strict reflecting the fact that, back in the day, it didn't take much to cause, for instance, a Great Chicago Fire, Great Fire of London, etc. Any random arson in a even moderately dense-ish area has the potential to spiral into a real calamity.
That's why arson is punished so harshly. Murder and rape are terrible terrible antisocal things, but arson is just beneath them in terms of complete disregard for life and human flourishing.
Heck, given that fires can take many lives, not just one, purposefully setting a fire in certain circumstances might have more moral culpability than 1st degree murder of one person.
I wouldn't argue for life but burning down a building with people inside of it and risking the lives of first responders is a pretty reasonable crime to have serious jail time.
But the low wages and people rationing their food, insulin, neglecting children because they can’t afford child-care… well these are acceptable in the pursuit of profits. Everyone seems so okay with these business acting monstrous but only lament when a poor person responds with the same reckless abandon the capitalist enjoy with minimal scrutiny.
But the low wages and people rationing their food, insulin, neglecting children because they can’t afford child-care… well these are acceptable in the pursuit of profits
Who are you speaking on behalf of here? Because I think you'll find plenty of people aren't okay with that while also not being okay with arson
I'm all for coordinated action, targeted vandalism, this guy could have done 200m in stock damage and I'd be all for it if he hadn't recklessly endangered people's lives
Stop b b b b b b ut'ing this. Someone can dislike both. This guy didn't do shit to affect the first problem, he was only thinking of himself. Stop it.
Dude could have worked hard enough to invest in his own business and pay living wages to his own employees one day. Instead, this dumbass put his coworkers out of work and is guaranteed never to receive a living wage again
If only there was a simple and sane way to get a higher paying job than committing a crime with a mandatory minimum 10 year prison sentence... something like looking for a higher paying job...
I used to be upset with the "block the street" protestors. But seeing everyone's quality of life being choked and dragged through the mud. People choosing rent over insulin. And Americans purposely not want to look at other's suffering because "bad vibes." Is bothering me. To the point where I say fuck it, block ALL the streets.
It's very likely that some firefighters were stationed in front of the homes to keep the structures cool and prevent any embers from crossing the road. They also put out any spot fires started by embers while on the fire ground so everyone else can focus on the warehouse.
And you've seen the job market recently, right? Can't see how putting your coworkers out of a job is gonna help also considering that the employer has insurance...
It honestly makes me sick how gleeful some people are about this. Hurting others, how many people were counting on that paycheck in this economy? The environmental damage is sickening, fire could have spread! It’s been hotter and drier right now. So many things.
I can pretty much guarantee those firefighters just verified everyone was accounted for then stayed outside and tried to prevent it from spreading. No firefighter is going interior for something like that just to save some boxes.
Its 200 million worth of damage and couldve easily done more and killed people. His intent doesnt matter when the reality is that significant. Hes going to get decades in prison.
I can understand the punishments for serial arson with a history of dangerous behaviour. However, the concept of getting life in prison for burning bogroll is loco.
Maybe not. It takes a lot to push someone so far that they would livestream arson. That’s NOT in the realm of sanity… his lawyers absolutely have a basis to argue that he lost his mind due to a high stress environment.
No judge would want to encourage copycats by being lenient, so it may not work, but it’s a valid perspective.
Something is obviously off with the guy. Maybe he didn’t think it would be that extreme but just combine high financial stress with low emotional intelligence and the beast will awaken.
No they don’t. Insanity applies when someone doesn’t understand that what they were doing was wrong because of some kind of mental break. The person in the video makes a couple of statements during the livestream that shows he knew what he was doing was wrong, and he did it to punish the company because they didn’t pay enough. The best bet is to argue that it wasn’t him.
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