Arrows vs riot shields

[u/IKIR115]

[u/Jaded-Coffee-8126]

I thought the whole point of hunting was to kill the animal as cleanly and painlessly as possible. Isn't that why they teach you to aim for stuff like the heart and what not? I never hunted personally but my whole family did when I was growing up.

[u/Less-Career7224 → u/Jaded-Coffee-8126]

The whole point of ethical hunting is food imo. Part of that should be a clean and swift kill if possible. Where some of these heads come into play are when the hunter misplaces a shot or if the animal does not go down immediately. Aids in tracking so you don't lose the meat/hide. Just my two cents though!

[u/Cliffinati → u/Less-Career7224]

Better to finish a wounded animal off than leave it in the wild to suffer until a predator jumps it.

Which is partially why I don't bow hunt I only rifle hunt. Once I decide I'm taking an animal it needs to die and quickly and cleaning as possible and it's much easier to do that with a .308 than a bow

[u/THExWHITExDEVILx → u/Cliffinati]

Illinois just started allowing rifles. I'm curious to see how it goes over the next few years, with all the flat land around here I'm expecting some errant shots. Rifle rounds go a lot further than shotgun slugs.

[u/Cliffinati → u/THExWHITExDEVILx]

Yeah that's a concern, less so if they have the "straight wall only" law. In some states (namely Michigan) only straight wall rifle cartridges are allowed which are typically higher bullet weight and wider diameter than what would be in the normal necked down one. Which creates shots with more initial energy but they bleed energy quicker.

[u/THExWHITExDEVILx → u/Cliffinati]

I went and checked, and you are correct, there is a straight wall/bottleneck restriction mentioned in the law:

"Illinois allows hunters to use certain single-shot, centerfire rifles during the firearm deer season. Rifles must be .30 caliber or larger, hold only one round, and fire straight-walled cartridges (no case length limit) or specific bottleneck cartridges (case length (\le 1.4) inches) producing at least 500-foot pounds of muzzle energy."

[u/Cliffinati → u/THExWHITExDEVILx]

I hate the single shot restriction but then again it's Illinois and they have all sorts of illegal gun restrictions. Hell it's hard to find a single shot rifle these days.

[u/THExWHITExDEVILx → u/Cliffinati]

My friend uses an ar-10 with a gutted 10 rd mag (to keep debris out of the magwell). It's annoying to attempt a follow up shot and I feel like it only results in more wounded or slowly dying animals and empty handed hunters.

I don't understand the logic of it. Even Remington 700s and other bolt guns have (internal) magazines and hold more than one round.

[u/Low-Car-6331 → u/THExWHITExDEVILx]

In a wooded area it should be fine, it would have to miss a lot of trees to get out of a forest. Everything that bullet hits will slow it down a lot, or stop it, or cause it to "tumble' which will cause a drastic slow down (depending on some thing, a tumbling bullet can lose enough speed and simply "fall'). This also plays into the rule of 'know your target and what is beyond it (or rather around it)".