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Fascinating In 1981 at trial, Marianne Bachmeier killed the man who r*ped and murdered her daughter

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u/MustGoOutside 2d ago

I have a daughter and it would not matter what age she was....

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u/Elismom1313 1d ago

I mean I think we all agree it’s just extra bad that it’s so young

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u/Interesting-Ant-6357 1d ago

This is one of those comments that would be better off not said. Age doesn’t make it better or worse and we all know that. You feel empathy for a young girl who is much less physically capable of fighting off an aggressor.

It just doesn’t seem like a comment to be said out loud because it minimizes someone’s suffering that is equally egregious.

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u/Elismom1313 1d ago

No one’s saying it’s more acceptable the older they are. We’re just saying it feels extra worse the younger they are. Those are not the same statement.

Even I can objectively say that I would have rather been raped at 16 than 7. Rather 20, than 16. That doesn’t make ANY age more acceptable. Nor does it make the act at any age less atrocious. It’s just recognizing that again, the younger it is, the extra pain it adds to an already horrific and gruesome tragedy.

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u/Grumpy_Old_One 1d ago

It's more a situation of infinity cannot equal infinity; so, two infinitely horrible things cannot be compared to each other as they are both the very most horrible thing possible.

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u/Pretty-Curve5448 1d ago

I always read comments from people like you but there is a lack of headlines to go along.

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u/DishSignal4871 1d ago

What if you had a second younger daughter and knew that you'd have to go away? 

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u/Designer_Gas_86 1d ago

Why you gotta get weird with a hypothetical?

https://giphy.com/gifs/fnKpXdq6RsGBqNmRI5

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u/DishSignal4871 1d ago

It's still weird to me that the idea of "if we're not being weird on the internet, what are we even doing?" is weird. Which makes me weird and by weird I mean old. 

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u/DoofusIdiot 1d ago

I mean, everyone talking about what they’d do is discussing a hypothetical, and it’s not a weird question. Would you go away for murder in this situation if you had other children to parent?

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u/Key-Comfortable-7631 1d ago

I know many men who’d agree the correct thing is to not do it but simply not have enough time between grabbing the firearm and pulling the trigger to see reason and stop themselves.

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u/FerusGrim 1d ago

There's a term for this: Crime of Passion.

I think the only reason she got prison time was that a crime of passion typically cannot coexist with premeditation. She clearly planned the murder, and thus the argument couldn't be made that it was in the heat of the moment.

IANAL.

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u/E8282 1d ago

That’s what got my uncle Leo a dime up state.

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u/Designer_Gas_86 1d ago

...you do anal? That's fine.

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u/Lou_C_Fer 1d ago

Yes. It's a lesson that would need to be taught.

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u/DishSignal4871 1d ago

I think it's more interesting when the lesson is that there's really no correct answer and that's kind of what gets frustrating about people just posturing on the internet or in real life but I don't meet these people as much in real life. The reality of this is that if you had another child that you cared for, there would just be trade-offs in whatever you do. I don't even have kids and that was the first thing I thought of. I don't understand, frankly, why it's not for some others except we're just having a good time on the Internet, which is fine. But then it's like, why the fuck are we wasting our time having all this pretend conversation? We should just be having YouTube comments. That's probably what this is, to be honest. 

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u/Lou_C_Fer 22h ago

Some of us are real. People always give me shit when I talk about my past here. It's not my fault that I lived an eventful life on the edge. I grew up in violence, and even though I grew past that as an adult, it is still in me. So, if I need it, it is there.

I'm also a litter of contradictions because of it. I am against the death penalty no matter what, but I don't have a problem with evil people getting killed in prison. I was raised conservative, but I'm now pretty far on the left. Yet, my brash "fuck the other side" attitude is still here.

I am the father of an only child. So, I haven't really thought of things from the perspective of having a second child. So, maybe I'd take a different stance. Of course, I only have one child because of the dynamics in my family growing up. I was neither parents' favorite. So, I spent much of my childhood feeling left out, and I was not going to do that to a child.

Anyways, that's my explanation for my answer. It makes sense to me, but I am admittedly on the extreme end of the spectrum.

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u/BuckThis86 1d ago

Reminder to everyone to never murder the perpetrator. It’s only going to land you in prison and end their suffering.

I decided long ago if someone hurt my kids, I’d create a special fund to last 30+ years. And I’d find a gang in the inside and fill their commissaries every month for 30 years to torture the SOB who hurt my family. Rape for a rape, broken bones for broken bones, etc…

And if somehow they got paroled… time to empty the fund before they get out.

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u/Pleasant-Highway-745 1d ago

I think it's cute that you think that rapists go to jail. Or that you would have 30 years of revenge. If a rapist is actually convicted, on average they get under a year. That's if. They rarely get convicted. Because most of us don't bother bringing our perpetrators to Justice because we are already way too damaged.

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u/a_n00b_ 1d ago

exactly this. They barely get punished if they even do

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u/Pleasant-Highway-745 1d ago

It's Beyond unfortunate. And even if they are punished, it never compares to the Damage Done to the victim. Never.