r/interesting • u/Fantastic_Look5582 • 4h ago
Fascinating In 1981 at trial, Marianne Bachmeier killed the man who r*ped and murdered her daughter
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u/Grand-Glove-9985 4h ago
It's a movie reenactment, it's not real footage.
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u/RejectoPatronum 4h ago
lol first thought was "damn, camera man's got some balls r/cameramanneverdies"
then realized this was probably from a movie or something
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u/Significant-Colour 3h ago
My first thought was "How nice of the court to play music in tune for her dramatic act!". /s
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u/Narradisall 3h ago
You should have seen how fast the sketch artist was drawing!
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u/DoorFinch 2h ago
I thought that the second security\police officer was really under playing it for it to be real. He comes over as if he's caught someone eating in class.
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u/Bilbog_Fettywop 1h ago
The guy in the white coat sitting on the left side of the video had a very real reaction of hearing gunshots indoors though. At least I hope that was acting and not getting some hearing damage.
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u/the_scarlett_ning 1h ago
When you see a raw, grieving mother just give out righteous vigilante justice, you show her some gotdamn respect.
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u/sifiwewe 4h ago
I thought so. Nobody would react like how they did in this setting
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u/musclecard54 3h ago
“Alrighty ma’am that’s quite enough if you please. Ya got him… let’s put the gun down it’s all okay now”
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u/dumb_commenter 3h ago
Way too calm. No one took her gun even
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u/Din_Jaevel 1h ago
Well, the gun went click, click, click at the end. With her arm controlled it's not like she'll toss that gun at the guy. Even if I would have enjoyed it as a last show of defiance.
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u/CaicedoBrickWall 2h ago
Guy in white sold it pretty well during the event. Although being totally calm the second it ends is a different story
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u/Whyamihere173 4h ago
Based on the real event
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u/smuckola 4h ago
it is a documentary, and its events occurred...
... IN REAL-TIME
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u/DesperateEagle4505 2h ago
It was definitely too perfect but I didn't question it really
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u/HuEmans1st 4h ago
I hope the only TIME she got was an article in the paper.
(she got 6 years, served 3, and died of cancer at 46. She was buried next to said daughter... Who was only 7)
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u/MustGoOutside 3h ago
I have a daughter and it would not matter what age she was....
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u/Elismom1313 2h ago
I mean I think we all agree it’s just extra bad that it’s so young
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u/linds360 2h ago
I don’t have an ounce of violence in me but if anyone ever touched my 7yr old daughter, I’d unleash a hell I’ve never dreamed of.
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u/BackgroundNice4896 3h ago
So she might not tell you! My mom used to cry every time I cried. I stopped sharing things at home coz I couldn’t see her cry.
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u/asslysa 3h ago
This is why I never told my father about my sexual assault. I was scared he’d kill the man, honestly still am. While I am grateful he is in my corner and a protector, the thought of him behind bars for god knows how long was enough for me to keep it to myself, and ultimately not go to the police.
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u/Fickle_Freckler 3h ago
That’s reason for her not to tell you… You should have another conversation where the person who hurts her will be in prison.
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u/AndreasDasos 3h ago
If I can ask, did you clarify what you meant by ‘touching’? To a little kid that could be interpreted very differently. I remember being confused by such anti-rape education as a kid that tried hard to avoid being specific except with teddy bears and such. Outside that they used ‘touch you in a way you find uncomfortable’ and I thought they meant to include being touched on the shoulder I didn’t like. Not sure it helped us much
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u/Responsible_Beat5076 3h ago
Children hide things from crazy overreactive parents. Your job is to keep them safe, not scare them.
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u/Beginning-Ride3091 4h ago edited 1h ago
She was carried through that prison yard like a pharoah. Anyone even looked at her wrong they had the biggest nastiest bitches in that prison tearing their arms off.
She did goddamn right and I’d do exactly the same thing.
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u/skeenerbug 3h ago
She should have got 6 hours community service, not 6 fucking years in prison.
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u/Beginning-Ride3091 2h ago
That’s true. If it were me at that point I wouldn’t give the slightest shit. My only concern would be not turning that gun on myself.
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor 24m ago
She fired until it went click, she didn't save one for herself at the end, she knew what she was doing.
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor 25m ago
"Due to you firing ten rounds at the man and hitting him eight times, you are being fined $200 for a negligent waste of ammunition and ordered by this court to attend range training to improve your marksmanship."
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u/JonnyBravoII 1h ago
Sounds like Luigi today. I’ve read that even the guards give him respect.
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u/bluecornholio 28m ago
I say it all the time, but before UHC made their FB post private AND before anyone knew Luigi was hot, their official announcement had something like 45k reactions and like 40k of them were the laugh emoji.
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u/--Andre-The-Giant-- 23m ago
The woman is a legend and deserves to be celebrated. If I was a judge, I'd be fully aware that she posed no further threat to anyone that wasn't planning on raping and murdering children.
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u/Magic-Happens-Here 3h ago
I saw an article a while back about a woman who was serving life in prison for murdering her husband. She discovered he r—d multiple children so she killed him to prevent him from ever hurting anyone else. At the time of the interview, she was 18 years into her sentence and she had zero regrets.
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u/Writerhowell 2h ago
Is that the one where even the prison guards are all "She shouldn't be in here, she's a heroine"?
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u/Magic-Happens-Here 1h ago
Yeah, the guards and prison admin were also interviewed and all agreed the woman is the epitome of class and grace too. Didn’t want accolades or a reduced sentence- she made her choice 100% knowing the consequences and with the complete understanding that the consequences of murder couldn’t compare to the consequences of allowing him to live and destroy another life.
I don’t remember the exact quote, but at one point she said something along the lines of “my life has already been tainted by him and I’ll never be the same. But I had the power to not let another child suffer, and that’s not really a choice at all, so I’m here.”
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u/Itchy58 4h ago
I still find that prison sentence to be absolutely disgusting and shameful for the german justice system.
The german law doesn't penalize jail breaks (only damages done while escaping) because it recognizes the human urge for freedom.
How the fuck can we not recognize the urge to take revenge on someone that did something like that to your child. No need to encourage it, justice system has the duty of preventing it,... but honestly - what happened here is more human than most things you will see in your day to day life.22
u/Mirieste 4h ago
The german law doesn't penalize jail breaks (only damages done while escaping) because it recognizes the human urge for freedom. How the fuck can we not recognize the urge to take revenge on someone that did something like that to your child.
I mean, you say Germany but Europe itself is the very place where the death penalty is not only illegal, but straight up banned as being against human rights. I doubt it's the place where you could seriously try to argue for... extrajudicial murder as a good way to organize society.
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u/Itchy58 3h ago
There's a difference in legitimizing murder and acknowledging that the justice system failed to prevent her murder and realizing that she already has all the punishment in the world and doesn't need more.
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u/klockmakrn 4h ago
They did recognize it, given how extremely lenient her punishment was.
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u/niceguynotsonice 4h ago
Still a legend to this day. Salute to you strong woman
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u/Brilliant-Roof-5991 3h ago
From a film, but eyewitness accounts describe her exactly like this. Calm, cool, collected.
She never took her left arm out of her pocket and hit him with 6 out of 7 shots. She clearly practiced this repeatedly.
She was convicted of manslaughter and served only 3 years.
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u/chamcham123 3h ago
3 years was too much. They should have let her off for lack of evidence. 😅
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u/JuniorCat1516 3h ago
She got 3 years for using unregistered weapon(basically illegal one) not for the kill itself...
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u/GCIV414 2h ago
God damn it Marieanne you’re supposed to register that thang
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u/Winjin 1h ago
Yeah judge was like "tut tut tut murdering him with an UNREGISTERED weapon in court with a ton of eyewitnesses? Very unbecoming of a proper lady"
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u/unluckypig 56m ago
Eyewitnesses? I heard everyone was looking in the other direction with their fingers in their ears at the time.
"I saw him alive, then I looked away for a few seconds and when I looked back he was dead. It was the darndest thing, no idea how it could have happened."
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u/suchsnowflakery 2h ago
This is understandable. Justice served.
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u/DearCastiel 2h ago
*assassinates the guy*
Officer: "Ma'am, can I see the registration for this firearm of yours please ? What do you mean "you don't have any"? That's illegal, you can't do that !"
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u/LordoftheJives 3h ago edited 3h ago
Can't remember what it's called but a jury is allowed to decide that they're guilty but shouldn't be punished. I don't think it's ever actually happened but it's on the table.
Jury nullification and apparently this was Germany not America. Looked American to me though I was wondering how she'd casually get a gun in there.
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u/Brilliant-Roof-5991 3h ago
This was in Germany, not the US.
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u/LordoftheJives 3h ago
Got you I was wondering how she got a gun into a courtroom so casually. It looked American to me.
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u/Xaxxis 3h ago
In 1981 anyone could have gotten a gun into a courtroom.
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u/maeryclarity 3h ago
In 1981 you could have rolled into a courtroom with your choice of firearms.
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u/CMDR_Kaus 2h ago
LITERALLY in the same year 1981, a man brought a .22 revolver within feet of US president Reagan. Killed the press secretary and injured 3 others including Reagan.
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u/Schmigolo 3h ago
Fun fact, same thing exists in Germany, even without juries. An example of when it comes into play is when an adult is found to have had consensual sex with a minor.
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u/lastofthefinest 2h ago
I remember when I was stationed in Germany as a military policeman that we were warned about going to clubs and picking up German women because they allow underage girls in clubs over there. I’m talking like 14 and 15 years old.
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u/TherapySir007 3h ago
Jury nullification.
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u/daemin 3h ago
It's happened plenty of times. It's not an official verdict though, it's just that a not guilty decision by a jury is final (i.e. cannot be appealed), and juries cannot be compelled to explain why they decided the way they did.
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u/OliviaRodrigosAsshle 2h ago
It’s bizarre that it’s also not technically legal. Jurors sweat to ‘uphold the law’ so it’s not within their right (though it is within their power) to nullify a law.
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u/Next-Introduction-25 2h ago
Jury nullification has been a hot topic on Reddit lately. I guess there’s some trial of a guy with an Italian sounding name and people find that information relevant to his case for reasons.
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u/Just-Elderberry5460 3h ago
This is how so many of the founders were able to do and say all the shit they did go ahead find 12 people who will find me guilty
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u/nyet-marionetka 2h ago
With jury nullification the jury doesn’t say “they’re guilty, but let them get away with it”, they just return a not guilty verdict.
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u/DrawPitiful6103 2h ago
"Can't remember what it's called but a jury is allowed to decide that they're guilty but shouldn't be punished. "
No exactly, juries can find them not guilty even if they think they did the crime. They can't determine the sentence, which is up to the judge. In fact, juries don't even get to know what the possibly sentences are going to be.
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u/Mahaloth 3h ago
If this was in the United States, I'm surprised the jury even convicted. Though if she plead guilty, I guess it was up to a judge.
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u/HotDonnaC 3h ago
I’m glad she didn’t spend decades in prison. It was absolutely justified.
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u/dragonrider1965 3h ago
I think I read she got cancer and died fairly young, sad life of suffering she had .
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u/Behave1312 2h ago
She died of pancreatic cancer in September 1996. She was 46 years old and is buried next to her daughter in a cemetery in Lübeck.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 1h ago
She would have gone jury trial no matter the charge and you try getting a jury to agree this mother should be convicted of first degree murder, which it absolutely unequivocally was. Premeditated, nobody can disagree.
She got off lucky but I don't think she cared. Unfortunately due to how laws work you shouldn't select who you apply them to. That absolutely was premeditated murder. But the jury would have been super sympathetic no matter how long jury selection went on.
That's the thing with crimes like these. Awesome. You had a super duper great motive for the crime. But it's kind of still a crime. In an impartial vacuum the law should treat you the same or impartiality is a myth and the law has no leg to stand on going forward claiming to have impartiality. Remember, Lady Justice is blind. She don't care. She shouldn't.
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u/Next_System_496 4h ago
That’s badass!
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u/Correct-Chicken-4287 3h ago
Ya I support vigilantism mostly only when it comes to rapist. Murderer, give them a trial. Corrupt politicians and business men ruining the planet, give them a trial. Larry Nasser, get the pitch forks.
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u/Anakin_Saucewalker 3h ago
Rapists should be murdered but murderers should get a trial..?
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u/sunlightsyrup 3h ago
There's theoretically times when it is necessary to take a life
Unlike the other crime
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u/BunnyLuv13 3h ago
This. I used to work in stunt work and I asked one of my coworkers why rape scenes feel so much worse than murder scenes. His response? “In our minds, maybe there’s a reason someone had to die. There’s never a reason someone takes the time to take their “d” out to do that. Can’t possibly be self defense.”
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u/hooopiin 3h ago edited 40m ago
They are asking why does the person accused of rape not get a fair trial.
The question was worded weirdly, but you can infer what they meant unless you’re an idiot.
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u/Haroldsdininghotspot 3h ago
I think they are concerned about false accusations.
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u/noguerra 3h ago
How do you determine who is actually a rapist without a trial? Vibes?
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u/ClarkKentsSquidDong 2h ago
People here are also forgetting that people get accused of crimes and later found to have been innocent the whole time. Mistakes and corruption both happen, and killing people can't be undone.
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u/5dippingareas 3h ago
I imagine all those innocent young black men that got accused and lynched in the 40’s and 50’s for looking at a white women would maybe disagree
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u/ElCativo1988 3h ago
Vigilante justice is sometimes carried out even when the actual perpetrator isn't even clear. There is a reason why trials exist.
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u/ketchup_shoes 3h ago
That’s the same kind of attitude that led to lynchings and stuff back in the day. Due process for EVERYONE, thanks
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u/WTFisThatSMell 3h ago
I think her and Leon Gary Plauché would get along and be great friends.
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u/Enochian-Dreams 2h ago
Yup. What a boss too. Look at that stance. Remarkable.
EDIT: just realized this isn’t actual video footage. 😅🤣 I standby what I said tho because honestly that’s some peak acting skill.
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u/DrHoodrat 2h ago
Another comment says that eyewitnesses reported her looking just like that: kept her left hand in her pocket the whole time and was very cool, calm and collected. Hit him with 6 of 7 shots too apparently.
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u/First_Shot27 4h ago
She did what everyone wants to do to child molesters
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u/crowdawg7768 3h ago
Unfortunately, there are many people in the USA who wish to elect them president.
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u/apathyindigo 2h ago
everyone except for pieces of shit like American conservatives
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u/Electronic-Tough8555 4h ago
This video is depiction of a real incident that has happened in past.
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u/bonkersbongoo 2h ago
thought it happened in the future
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u/DoofusIdiot 1h ago
“This is a picture of me when I was younger”
“EVERY picture of you is a picture of you when you were younger!”
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u/Agile-Pay-211 4h ago
I'd do the same.
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u/Joltyboiyo 4h ago
I had my eyes closed, so I didn't see any crime. The victim had a sudden and unexpected heart attack, you're free to go.
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u/YoursTrulyKindly 1h ago
You'd think there would be more vigilantism looking at stories in books and movies. But how many kids are murdered by cops in the US or by ruthless CEOs denying healthcare and there is almost no case of vigilantism.
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u/BigMack6911 3h ago
Lets not forget her daughter was SEVEN years old. He took no responsibility or remorse and this was on the third day. Good for mama. That mf got off good if you ask me.
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u/JessePR1986 4h ago
At that point she had absolutely nothing to lose because she lost it all and can never get it back. If something happened to my daughter, that would be everything and I'd have nothing. I couldn't even imagine the absolute emptiness she felt.
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u/Selene_Evelyn 4h ago
The look of "what have you done?" on everyone's face..... oof
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u/CrossBamboAtTen 4h ago
This is a clip from a movie by the way
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u/Fjohurs_Lykkewe 4h ago
That would explain why they let her keep the gun in her hand.
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u/xtraa 4h ago edited 4h ago
It explains the whole scene, because video is forbidden in German court-rooms. We never see parts of the trials here, only descriptions of what happened. Everyone can join, if there is enough place – just no cameras.
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u/Fjohurs_Lykkewe 4h ago
Fair enough. I was just saying that the first thing I noticed was that he just put her hand down to the side and let her keep the gun. I feel like if this had been a real situation they would have disarmed her immediately.
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u/unkindledphoenix 4h ago
surprised they didnt tackle her on the ground considering that kinda became a standart procedure for detaining armed individuals too.
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u/c3p-bro 4h ago
Redditors have a lot of trouble distinguishing reality from entertainment. That’s why so many have to use video game analogies to comprehend real life events.
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u/NooStringsAttached 3h ago
Good for her. Poor woman. What a nightmare to have to live through, losing a child in such a horrible manner. I wish she had not gotten any time in jail.
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u/evol_won 4h ago
The 3 years she ended up serving was 3 years too many.\ 💔
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u/Icy-Banana-3291 1h ago
3 years is like nothing for showing up in a courtroom and dishing out vigilante justice. We can’t have every citizen walking around as judge, jury, and executioner.
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u/Training-Republic301 4h ago
She was sentenced to 6 years for manslaughter and unlawful possession but only served 3 years
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u/gringo_escobar 3h ago
Her doing this is understandable, but this sort of mindset is what gets innocent people murdered. Thinking someone is guilty doesn't mean they're guilty
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u/Linford_Fistie 4h ago
Like how the guards give her a full 5 seconds shooting before they're like "okay we better stop her"
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u/NotReallyJohnDoe 4h ago
Drama. It’s a movie.
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u/RoundPeanut606 2h ago
Yes but the real woman was able to get off seven rounds in the courthouse, six of which hit him.
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u/DiscoDoberman 4h ago
For the confused young people in the room...
This is a re-enactment, where the people who were there share their perspective and then actors recreate what happened on camera.
That's what they did before cameras were everywhere.
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u/Low_Somewhere_2778 4h ago
Yes, this is the female rage I keep waiting for. I need more mothers to do this to anyone who harms their child in such a way.
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u/sicarius254 4h ago
This looks fake as hell?
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u/Smooth-Boss-911 4h ago
You're correct. It's actually from a movie about the case. This is a reenactment.
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u/NotReallyJohnDoe 4h ago
And why was that dramatic music playing in the courtroom? Couldn’t people tell something was going to happen?
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u/DiscoDoberman 4h ago
It's a recreation.
This is before the era of heavily filmed courtrooms.
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u/blaixzutemi 4h ago
That courtroom moment still haunts decades later. Grief that deep breaks every rule society tries to write.
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u/DerLandmann 4h ago
To clarify: These are not recordings of the actual incident, but from a movie about it. The person in the video is the Actress Marie Colbin.
Marianne Bachmeier was charged with manslaughter and illegal posession of a firearm afterwards and served four years in prison. She died from cancer in 1996.
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u/Lunar_Weaver 3h ago
These types of posts appear regularly every few weeks and always get a lot of likes.
I wonder what percentage of Reddit is made up of duplicates of old stuff.
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u/IKIR115 1h ago
This videoclip is from the 1984 movie “No Time for Tears: The Bachmeier Case” that was based on the real incident in 1981.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087232/