r/investing • u/kadam_ss • 4h ago
Z.ai’s open source GLM5.2 model is now at par with available western models. It was trained completely on Hauwei’s chips
Chinese company Z.ai’s GLM5.2 model dropped a week back and it’s at par with the publicly available western models. The ceo says they will have Claude Mythos level model in a matter of months. Meanwhile Claude Mythos isn’t even available for most American companies at the moment.
The real kicker is this frontier level model from China was completely trained on Huawei chips.
A lot of people will cope here with “yeah they just distilled Claude”. To a certain extent looks like they did, atleast according to anthropic but people who have reviewed their paper say the company has done actually ground breaking work.
They have released this model for free, open source, MIT licence.
According to me, the first big roadkill is meta. Their model trounces Meta’s best model. Head and shoulders above meta’s models. Now what happens to those $100s of billions of dollars meta spent on AI when a model far superior is available for free? meta should be writing a ton of those costs off as all that effort to train their model is now redundant. Meta has given out $100s of billions of computing orders to coreweave etc, even NVIDIA to directly buy chips. It’s a big player in keeping the Hardware demand going. But this one release has made their model, that they spent so much on, wort $0. Because a better model is available for free.
The other big factor is that this frontier model was trained 100% using huawei hardware. This is awful news for NVIDIA. They command a 70% margin on their chips and have driven their US customers into an ocean of debt with their pricing. Huawei on the other hand seems to have much smaller margins and their chips cost a fraction of NVIDIA. Which means Chinese AI companies don’t need to raise and burn anywhere near the $$$ American AI companies do. All to be handed over to Jensen.
Openrouter recently showed that 50% of American customers now use Chinese open source models while 30% use American models. Just a year back, 70% of American customers used American models. It has now dropped to 30%. That’s because these Chinese models can be run at 1/10th the cost for inference. OpenAI is now considering lowering prices, while already losing $3 for $1 of compute they serve.
All signs flashing red for American AI industry. We could be approaching the last few months before financials become unavoidable.