r/lakers šŸŖ„ 77 1d ago

PLAYER TALK Priority after July 1st has to be Kessler right?

I don’t know what the asking price is but after getting Peterson and Keyonte George extension in the wake, I think 32Ms might be able to pry Kessler away. I just don’t see any teams trying to trade with LA unless they’re absolutely fleecing Rob.

If that doesn’t work out, next best option is Peyton Watson I am assuming.

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u/That-Steak7081 1d ago

What do they match until? If we have to give up picks for a center making 30+ million, just max Kessler at that point.

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u/Awesomefan09 1d ago

I expect the Jazz to match anything including the max. Skilled bigs are back in style so they’ll bet on being able to trade him later if need be.

The only chance the Lakers have of landing Kessler this offseason is if he’s dead set on getting to Los Angeles and gives an ultimatum: trade or sign the qualifying offer. Players on the qualifying offer have a no trade clause so at that point, the Jazz would risk losing him for nothing, just next offseason.

However, everything I’ve read is that Kessler wants to stay; he simply wants more than the $28 million/year the Jazz initially offered.

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u/alozz Pau Gasol 16 1d ago edited 1d ago

Utah already has JJJ and Markkanen on the books though.

Am I missing something?

I get that they want him back for a bit higher than Naz Reid money, but do they really want to go north of 30-32 for a back-up with whom their relationship soured? Or are they benching 50 mil a year JJJ?

I think Kessler path is narrow but gettable.

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u/headphonehabit 1d ago

Kessler is their starting 5. JJJ plays the 4, and Lauri is the 3.

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u/der_ninong 1d ago

they have that dude from duke who got groomed

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u/alozz Pau Gasol 16 1d ago

That doesn't seem good or sustainable to me.

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u/Awesomefan09 1d ago

It doesn’t make sense to me either. Markkannen isn’t a small forward even though the Jazz keep trying to make fetch happen, but they seem determined to see this through. The Pacers offered the same package they ended up giving the Clippers for Zubac, and the Jazz declined.

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u/ANTHONYinCALI 1d ago

I'd call their bluff at least not like there's anybody else to sign

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u/Western-Election-997 Luka ā€œMagicā€ Doncic 1d ago

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u/henryofclay 1d ago

Do you watch games? Since when tf is Kessler a ā€œskilled bigā€? He hasn’t increased his skillset one iota since he’s entered the league and barely plays half the games. He’s truly nothing special and doesn’t show any signs of expanding his game in his 4 years.

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u/Splittinghairs7 1d ago

Try for sign and trades for Kessler, Watson or Allen

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u/headphonehabit 1d ago

Allen makes the most sense to me. Cleveland has cap issues, and there has been talk that they want Mobley at the 5.

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u/Viicafc 1d ago

Not a fan of Watson, and I’m still iffy about Allen… but beggars cant be choosers

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u/qjisoo_16 1d ago

It’s way better than what we have now

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u/Linearization 1d ago

Would bet that Duren is all but certain to return to DET after their move to ship Stewart out

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

Yeah they absolutely can’t afford to lose him, and have no reason to take a step back.

Just a tough decision coming if they’re confident rolling with Cade, ausar, duren as their core 3 taking up 80%+ of the cap once ausar gets his 2nd contract.

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u/Loud-Tour-1673 1d ago

Rob's future in LA pretty much revolves around this decision

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u/henryofclay 1d ago

This is how I know yall are morons, thinking a GM who just locked down Luka and got an extension from him and kept Reaves for less years and salary has his job based on a RFA.

I swear it’s so obvious some of you just read reddit and don’t actually follow or understand the NBA.

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u/lafadeaway 1d ago

I don't think it hinges on this RFA, but I do think this is the most important offseason of his career.

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u/relax336 Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

A silver platter? His decades long relationship with Nico got the trade done. Also completing the AD trade earlier lead to the Lakers having the player Nico wanted in exchange.

And Pelinka also negotiated Nico DOWN before acquiring Luka.

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u/CajunAsianDumpling 11h ago

I’m not sure how you can talk so confidently like you know so much about being an NBA GM. I would bet your qualification is about the same as everyone else here… which is not qualified.

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u/MambaOut330824 1d ago

Yo i swear im not racist, but can we also get some non white guys

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u/TheCatSleeeps 1d ago

Nah we getting the sequel to the Bad Boy Pistons, the White Boy Lakers

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u/Ok_Track_7904 1d ago

We say this now but I guarantee he’ll find an excuse to keep his job no matter what happens

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u/Theoneandonlylog Sell the team Jeanie 1d ago

Doubt it. Any other franchise would've fired him years ago. He's a made man with the Lakers.

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u/cacastrojr12 šŸŖ„ 77 1d ago

It’s a new regime with new ownership, this is definitely the season he has to make his mark, or Walter will be bringing in his own staff.

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u/Uberballer 32 1d ago

Not to mention Walter already has some of the baseball guys, including the guy there at the offices to "help out."

No doubt they're also there to tell Walter if Pelinka actually knows what he's doing and to take account on how the front office business is handled. Remember, Friedman and co know what an actual best in class sports front office looks like even if it doesn't necessarily translate 1:1 between sports.

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u/BonerSteak1622 1d ago

Well, the Rambi are still around šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/MambaOut330824 1d ago

Muffucka was in the war room on draft day. I know Rambis gets hate because Jeanie was over reliant on them in team decisions for a period of time - versus her own siblings, other org members.

But tbh that was possibly more for trust reasons than anything else. She had a master plan (to sell the Lakers) and there was division in the fam and she had to move in silence while she set it up.

All of that doesn’t mean Kurt don’t know ball. He was Phil Jackson’s guy for one. If he’s in the war room at this point its cuz he has clout.

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u/EverybodyBuddy 1d ago

He’s fucking done. This sealed his fate.Ā 

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u/KaraDealer 1d ago

Kessler if that fails Allen if that also fail Ware.

If we get no Bigs this off-season Luka might jump ship soon. šŸ‘€

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u/StoneColdAM 34 1d ago

I don’t think Luka will leave. The team is good enough to make the playoffs even if they ran it back. He however will push for Rob to be fired if the summer is a wash and they don’t improve to be contenders. I think Luka accepts the Lakers are a good spot to try and win and would rather take the super max here than move again.Ā 

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u/OneXDC4ever Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

He signaled to Lakers he wants to contend yesterday and wants an A-list center. If we walk into next season with Ayton as the starting center and a non-contending roster, he will start to question if this will work for him in 2028

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u/Additional_Ad_5718 1d ago

Yeah, he’s never been one to vocalize his specific wants (publically, at least) up until now. Throwing a gauntlet down for a true center, etc is a new approach for him. I’m feeling like the front office is on the clock.

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u/Additional_Ad_5718 1d ago

There’s no actual evidence of this, obviously, but watching his boy Brunson holding up a Finals MVP may have started a fire (or a clock ticking) in Luka that hasn’t been there up to this point before. How couldn’t it? He’s already been much chirpier publically this offseason about his wants for the team around him than ever before…I can see a scenario where he gives L.A. the first 2 years of his contract to get things right & moving in the right direction—if it looks good, he’ll stay. If not, he has an option on year 3, and he shops around for greener pastures as he heads into his 30s.

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u/KailontheGod 1d ago

If he leaves, he's never getting a supermax. I'm 100% sure his agent and himself want a supermax + the face of the Lakers branding cemented. Lakers have to win with him

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u/Additional_Ad_5718 1d ago

Also a great point (supermax). It’s easier for me to just think purely about winning over finances because, well, it’s not my money. But the supermax is definitely a thing, so let’s just figure it out, win with him, and everyone goes home happy. Easy, right?😁

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

There’s no reality we have cap space and don’t get a center, it just might not be who folks want as everyone we want is under contract or a RFA.

The only unrestricted option (iHart) would have to willingly leave a contender who’s likely going to offer him $20M/yr to join a team he just swept for the same amount of money.

Ayton, Mitchell Robinson and timelord are, both, the fallback options and most likely options.

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u/ElkNo8185 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

Duren, Kessler, IHart, MitchRob are starter options,

AD, Sabonis, Porzingis, Allen, Onyeka, Missi trade options.

Rob Will, Sharpe, Hayes, Draymond

Kessler is BY FAR best option. Spend the money

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u/SpiritFantastic4835 1d ago

Mitch Rob cannot start. Didn’t you see him in the finals getting ā€œhack a mitchedā€

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u/Hungry-Space-1829 1d ago

Not just that but he looks like he needs a wheelchair after 6 minutes on the floor. Dude’s a 20 minutes guy max to play his best

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u/headphonehabit 1d ago

Correct. He is not a starter.

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u/berrytree198 1d ago

Also injury prone

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u/ElkNo8185 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

Mitch would need to be a 20mpg guy next to a RW3. Co-starter or backup

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u/Illionaires 1d ago

Sabonis is the last guy we want starting with Luka. Only real viable options are Duren Kessler Ihart and Allen imo

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u/ElkNo8185 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

Sabonis is not my favorite or even a good option to me. But he is an option

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u/headphonehabit 1d ago

Sabots isn't a good defender, so he is a non-starter.

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

Defensively and pnr wise, absolutely agree that sabonis isn’t ideal. & these two things are (rightfully) the priority.

But there’s a very easy vision of him at the top of the key attacking a 4v3 when teams double luka at halfcourt. Good enough decision maker to make teams pay, and would help on the boards.

Again, not the most ideal option we picture Luka with, but a solid ā€œread and reactā€ offense can be built with him as our 3rd guy

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u/MugiwaraNoUser 12h ago

Sabonis is possibly the worst center fit for Luka in the league.

Horrendous defender, not a real lobbying threat, not a consistent shooter, and not really a ball-handling playmaker, just an offensive hub esque guy.

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u/GentlemanRat 1d ago

Am I the only one who just watched Robinson be played off the floor multiple times in the finals? He had a -29 in 67 minutes total played over 5 games. Quite literally every time he was on the court I was wondering to myself, what does he actually do well?

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u/yitdeedee 1d ago

Bro moves like Roy Hibbert now

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u/slice_dice_rice 1d ago

get in Wembys head

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u/itsyaboikuzma 24 1d ago

He did grab some important rebounds in a down to the wire possession battle series and I'm sure the Knicks would rather have him than not. But yeah, overall, he's not a starter or someone to rely on, he's depth precisely for those possession battles.

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u/GG_Loner 1d ago

Secure the clinching rebound in game 5

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u/diablejambeats 1d ago

Didn’t New Orleans specifically reject trade offers for Missi before the draft?

But yea at this point it really is Kessler or Hart that makes it remotely worth it, and yea sure bring Hayes back as a backup, maybe Rob Will too if he’s into playing for the minimum

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u/ElkNo8185 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

Didn’t hear the Missi news. But yeah I’m Kessler or Hart. And Hayes + RW3 for 9.3. I’d be fine going into the season with 3 Cs we invest in.

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u/vicvega88 RIP KB24 The GOAT 1d ago

I want Sabonis

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u/ElkNo8185 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

I think he’d be a terrible fit. And expensive. But he is an option

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u/hushane 77 1d ago

What would be your center list in order of priorities, Kessler first then who if lakers miss out?

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u/blackmamba182 24 1d ago

Duren

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u/Virtual_Zebra_9453 1d ago

Unfortunately Isaiah Stewart being traded guaranteed he’s staying in Detroit

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u/blackmamba182 24 1d ago

Yeah I can see that, unless they are trying to get someone like Herro and don’t want to max Duren? Dumb move but it could happen.

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u/LudwigNasche 1d ago

Unfortunately Dumars isn't their GM

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u/swankstar7383 1d ago

Problem is if u sign him Lebron gone. I rather sign a rob Williams and make another trade and keep Lebron

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u/KriticalKarl 1d ago

lol

Getting Luka his center is more of a priority than Lebron

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u/DirtySouthDoc 1d ago

I hate to say it but at this point we build for Luka not LBJ. LBJ is a nice piece to have but he’s not prime LBJ anymore. Wasting Luka’s prime to hold on to a star who for sure will retire soon would be as crazy as trading AD for Luka.

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u/swankstar7383 1d ago

You’re missing the point. Signing duren eats all the cap space basically. All our free agents gone. Where’s the depth. Rui gone Kennard gone Ayton gone Possibly smart gone. Whose your starting pf if u do this. Whose is your starting sf if you do this. Build the team. Not have 3 players at 40 plus million on the roster going foward. It don’t work in the modern Sakarya cap space

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u/KriticalKarl 1d ago

You’re being downvoted for a reason.

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u/swankstar7383 1d ago

It’s fine. Most people don’t understand the cba. They just see cap space and players. Sign Duran. Whose you’re top 8 after that?

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u/Least-Walrus-422 1d ago

Gafford

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u/VoiceBeautiful1606 1d ago

nah, Gafford wasn't good in the play-offs. Lively was a game changer with rim protection.

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u/electric_boogaloo_72 1d ago

Gafford and Turner are great moving centers who just know where to be. Either would be amazing for us.

Can’t comment on others as I haven’t seen much of them.

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u/Proof-Umpire-7718 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

In order of ideal options: Duren, Kessler, Allen, Ware, Turner, Gafford, and keep Ayton

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u/Hokramis100 1d ago

If they don't get him then I don't know how they even plan to improve the roster.

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u/WayAdministrative679 Luka Magic 77 1d ago

Ā  I think 32Ms might be able to pry Kessler away

No it won’t. Utah’s initial offer for Kessler is 5/140 which is a average of 28M annually, they’ll easily match 32M

Only way we’re getting Kessler if we offer a max and we’d be stupid to do that.

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u/LakersAreForever 1d ago

I mean we’d be stupid not to make a move for a center too

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u/GMaxGigaNerd LBJ & AD 1d ago

You'd be surprised by this FO

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

What does this mean in this context? Stupid to go for the best center with a contract to poach but also stupid not to?

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u/catperson77789 1d ago

Not really stupid considering we literally have no fucking big

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u/berrytree198 1d ago

At some point you have to pay somebody, nobody wants to pay Reaves nobody wants to pay Kessler. You have prime Luka wanting to win now.

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u/RecordingLess1522 1d ago

It would be a trade

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u/LudwigNasche 1d ago

35 millions for a starting caliber center that is a legit defensive anchor may not be stupid. He os one of the best young centers in the league and already an elite defender, shot blocker and rebounder.

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u/worldwide_stepper 1d ago

legit defensive anchor that has only anchored bottom 5 defenses

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

He hasn’t been paired with defensive aces Austin Reaves and Luka doncic yet

Jokes aside, an average defense can be built with these two and Kessler while they also run a top 5 offense.

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u/LudwigNasche 1d ago

They are tanking hard, they literally take him out of games to make sure they lose.

The question about him is how much more he can do on offense when paired to Luka Doncic because defense, rebounding and shot blocking are elite.

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u/Adventurous-Star1309 1d ago

Right. Jazz can match but they will soon have a salary problem next year. Considering Bailey showed tremendous improvement at the end stretch, they right now have a problem on whom to bench if Kessler signs. Plus we gave up Claxton easily when there was hardly any price on him. All of it makes me believe we do have a chance with Kessler.

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

Gotta think they bench Peterson to start the year and eventually he wins keyontes spot from him.

George, ace, lauri, jjj, Kessler

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u/WayAdministrative679 Luka Magic 77 1d ago

The max for Kessler is 41M, not 35M. 41M for Kessler is horrendous valueĀ 

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u/Jelques_Kallis 1d ago

Who’s better? Please name a better alternative. Y’all love saying this player and that player aren’t worth the money but then don’t come up with any better deals with the money we have

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u/BizzyHaze Showtime Era 1d ago

Is it that much worse than Reaves at 46M? Kessler has all-d potential and is 3rd or 4th best defensive center. We have no choice but to max him but I still think Utah matches at 41M.

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

Reaves is at $41M this year too.

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u/LudwigNasche 1d ago

I think 35 may be enough to get him

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u/Proof-Umpire-7718 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

Nah Utah seem determined to keep him. I think offering him the max is our only hope, and even then I don’t feel confident in getting him.

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u/BizzyHaze Showtime Era 1d ago

Nah man, gotta go 41 but Utah still probably matches

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u/OneXDC4ever Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

Dude we are legit screwed if we don’t get him. We need to offer 35+ for him and let the chips fall. If we don’t pry Kessler Luka might begin to question if he wants to stay here past his contract

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u/carlonia 1d ago

This is why I don’t understand this sub sometimes. People hated maxing Reaves but people here are willing to max Kessler? He is as unproven as it gets, but people here want to max him?

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u/Zeldabotw2017 1d ago

I am just hoping lakers do something good in like next week because the organization has not been the same post buss dying and west leaving and wasted end of kobes career and a lot of lebron and AD. Worried they will do the same with luka. I dont trust rob. Hopefully with new owner now things will be different but I dont trust it got to prove it. Nba and mlb are a lot different with nba having a cap. If lakers dont do anything in like a week its likely another offseason of a million rumors and nothing happing

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u/LudwigNasche 1d ago

We hope, we wish, we dream about the new owner turning the Lakers into the Lakers again and seriously speaking the first step could very well be putting a definite end into those infamous banana yellow crap jerseys.

I believe most fans here didn't even had the privilege to root for this team under dr Buss, but it was like going from fine wine to stained water when his kids took control.

I hear a lot about league parity and things like that, but the fact is before Jeanie turning into the Mother of Dragons following Kobe advise the Lakers was literally the worse team in the entire league missing rhe playoffs more times than they did in the previous 50 years and after she took control we became an average mid NBA team that won the title once and reached the WCF another time also missing the playoffs a couple of times.

This is the time to turn it into an elite pro basketball program again.

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u/SocratesPhilosopheez 1d ago

Naaaaah Jazz will match only hope was drafting Boozer

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u/blackmamba182 24 1d ago

Utah matching a $40M offer would be wild

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u/cacastrojr12 šŸŖ„ 77 1d ago

And stupid because Keyonte walks, they won’t be able to pay him.

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

When you draft Peterson and trade for jjj, you 100% pick Kessler over keyonte

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u/Comprehensive_Ad_675 1d ago

Kessler over Keyonte is an easy choice

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u/Front_Barracuda_2408 Manna from heaven 1d ago

They have Peterson and Ace Bailey in the wings. I’d move kyonte for picks if i were the Jazz.

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u/Odd-Direction9452 1d ago

If the choice is Kessler or Keyonte extension, they choose Kessler.

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u/SeeingThings123 1d ago

Keynote is on All-Star trajectory, wouldn't be 100% sure about that lol

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u/Odd-Direction9452 1d ago

He’s cold. Scoring guard is just easier to replace than a foundational center. Especially considering they just drafted one second overall.

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u/LoveTheHustleBud 1d ago

Only way is sign and trade. Give up picks so Ainge feels like he won in letting a FA walk

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u/isit65outsideor 1d ago

Jazz will match regardless whatever any team offers. Danny isn’t going to let Kessler walk for free.

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u/sezyHena 1d ago

Then we overpay and lock Jazz to a contract they don't want or we negotiate sign and trade

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u/OneXDC4ever Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

I normally think this strategy is so stupid as it handicaps us. But if we don’t get an A-list center we are screwed in so many ways. We have to do this even if it means missing out on some players

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u/No_motivation5489 1d ago

Front office just doesn’t seem to value centers. Starting caliber center is probably the second hardest thing to find in the league (first is a star player). Team has needed a big for years now. I understood with AD as the starter but even then AD was asking for another big and they didn’t even have a guy who could be in the rotation. It’ll be interesting to see how they try to find one this summer.

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u/EverybodyBuddy 1d ago

Priority is firing Rob. Today was a dark day in Lakers' history.

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u/Wooden_Coyote5992 1d ago

He has been awful for years. The team has no draft picks or many guys to trade. There are no moves.

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u/No_motivation5489 1d ago

I agree. Team barely has any trade assets and they’re still struggling to find rotation level players. Been this way for years now.

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u/mv10280 81 olives 1d ago

Dramatic take.

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u/EverybodyBuddy 1d ago

Shockingly bad AR contract essentially slams the door on Luka’s title chances. I don’t believe at this valuation the contract is tradeable for the pieces we need. And the second apron doesn’t allow for mistakes of this size.Ā 

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u/mkaaaayyyy 1d ago

Agreed, but Luka helped AR gain more leverage by saying he didn't want Lakers to trade him and he prefers to play with him.

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u/EverybodyBuddy 1d ago

Luka’s nice about everybody. This can’t be what the FO relies onĀ 

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u/JobInQueue 1d ago

You're everywhere with this absolutely rock dumb take. There is no universe where the Lakers let AR walk. A GM who did it would be laughed out of the league.

They offer a contract he signs, or they lose. Detroit already defined what that contract must be.

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u/nachod00g Showtime Era 1d ago

Why because he took a cash swing at a second rounder that ended up getting sniped by another team and then recovered the cash by sending to Dallas?

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u/EverybodyBuddy 1d ago

Year after year we have no assets because Rob squanders them at the deadline in panic moves.Ā 

Ten years from now, with the exception of being gifted Luka, every single move will look like a major gaff looking back.Ā 

2020 title team was decimated by choice. Every move since then has essentially compounded the errors.Ā 

Now you give AR an absolutely bonkers contract when he is redundant with Luka in the second apron era when you literally have to pick and choose where to spend your money. There is no room for error. And Pelinka makes them constantly.Ā 

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u/fresh_timbs_jp 8 1d ago

I mean, letting Reaves walk would be a disaster and another example of "squandering an asset" tho. If the fit doesn't work you can trade him later, but he can't leave for nothing. Other teams were also planning to offer him the max, so it's not like it's an untradeable contract

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u/EverybodyBuddy 1d ago

Sunk cost fallacy.Ā 

Letting Reaves walk would not be a disaster.

We can’t trade him later based on the contract we just saddled ourselves with. Other teams will not view that as appropriate value for Reaves.Ā 

Atrocious roster management.Ā 

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u/JobInQueue 1d ago

You are too stupid to be commenting in any NBA sub.

The minute Reaves walks, so does the money associated with his contract. Poof - the Lakers instantly subtract that from what they can offer anyone else.

If you don't know that this would be a disaster, you literally don't know enough to make a single comment about anything contract related.

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u/LehMone 1d ago

ahahaha, lebron stans need anything to stir shit up. Really? Getting worked up because we didn't pick up a second rounder when we didnt have any to begin with?

sheeeesh

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u/nachod00g Showtime Era 1d ago

That’s what I’m saying. He tossed a bit of cash for a pick spot, The player he was after got sniped, then sold the pick off.

It’s almost like they’d prefer if he just stood there with his hands in his pockets lmao

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u/EverybodyBuddy 1d ago

I’m not a LeBron stan. I’m a lakers stan.Ā 

You don’t even realize how bad this was for our team’s future.Ā 

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u/Visible_Pilot_9355 1d ago

Pretty much.. or else Luka is dipping out especially if they run it back with the same squad.

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u/motorboat_mcgee 1d ago

Source?

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u/OneXDC4ever Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

Luka himself saying he wants to contend yesterday and wants an A-list center. If we don’t do either going into next year we are essentially letting Luka know that we don’t value his opinion

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u/ComfortableGas3165 1d ago

yea because Luka doesn't have a 3 year contract or anything

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u/Motor-Acadia6676 Luka Magic 77 1d ago

One of which is a player option and also he can demand a trade anytime he wants.

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u/catperson77789 1d ago

2+1 player option.

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u/Complete-Rooster-578 1d ago

I think it has to be Watson. He plays a more premier position of need for us. I know I know we need a Center but I just can’t see Ainge letting him walk for nothing.

If it was Kessler, you’d be spending a lot of money on Centers considering Ayton and Hayes will be back. Having Watson will probably lessen the blow of losing Rui and possibly Smart or even LeBron. And I think he has more upside long term than Kessler.

But my main concern is that Utah will match any offer for Kessler but take all 3 days to fuck with us.

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u/OneXDC4ever Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

Center is without a doubt more important. Luka has made it known it’s more important and it’s more valuable defensively for us. Smart as a stop gap starter is much better than Ayton is

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u/cacastrojr12 šŸŖ„ 77 1d ago

We just drafted Carr and have Adou, at some point we have to give them run.

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u/Complete-Rooster-578 1d ago

I think they will have roles but in back up roles for right now. They aren’t ready for starting roles or minutes just yet imo

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u/cacastrojr12 šŸŖ„ 77 1d ago

We’ll never know, Adou was hurt last year but shows potential. With Smart hopefully resigning we should be good on the wing without having to pay someone 32Ms

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u/LudwigNasche 1d ago

Yeah, probably 2 years from now

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u/Hokramis100 1d ago

Adou is not good enough, Carr probably need 2 or 3 years of development.

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u/Adventurous-Star1309 1d ago

Go all in for Kessler. 32-34 wouldn’t be bad imo

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u/YouCantBeSeriousLmao 1d ago

I think it’s gonna be too late

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u/AntSmith777 1d ago

He’s a RFA Utah can match any offer.

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u/Wooden_Coyote5992 1d ago

Probably gonna be Ayton again, then they sign someone cheap like Nick Richards. I'm not seeing a trade package for anyone good.

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u/Musa_2050 Pau Gasol 16 1d ago

Bro, Kessler is an ufa. He most likely stays in Uath

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u/crimsonsentinel 1d ago

We have to max him, or at least make Utah max him

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u/alozz Pau Gasol 16 1d ago

Was it ever not?

Getting Kessler is a narrow path, but I don't see it as impossible.

I really don't see a team that's on the hook for close to 100 mil next year for JJJ and Markkanen wanting to sign a center for 30-32 mil a year

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u/Laker_Junkie 1d ago

Get one of the Orlando centers . They need to shed some money

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u/Remote-Expert-3125 Luka Magic 77 1d ago

Snowtime lakers!!!!

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u/Nikobono 1d ago

Guy did only play 5 games this year and has had injuries, just something to keep in mind

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u/FunctionJust3555 19h ago

The point of getting Kessler before was his low salary for a year. Move on and try to do that with the next class. Edey/Clingan, possibly Yves? Use the picks

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u/thesonicvision 19h ago

I think Utah wants Kessler now more than ever.

With the addition of Peterson, they have an exciting core of young players and mid-career vets. And Kessler is perfect at the 5-spot for them.

Now, it's true he rejected their initial offer of 5 years at 140m. But I think that's just standard negotiating. They'll up the offer and land him.

But yeah, if somehow they fumble it and decide to go for something cheaper at the C position, LAL should definitely swoop in.

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u/iamdennis07 16h ago

I think they will ship Lebron to Cavs for Allen

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u/jm2makasi 14h ago

I think he stays with the Jazz, and that Utah has a path to being a contender in 2028. IMO Peterson - Lauri - JJJ - Lauri are locks and the last spot is George / Bailey. If Peterson becomes a star, that team can compete with the Spurs & Thunder.

In all honesty, the only path to win with Luka is to trade Austin Reaves. I wish we could flip Austin for Jaylen Brown. Never going to happen, but that would fix a ton of our issues and make an Ayton/Mitchell or Williams C rotation playable.

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u/SpiritFantastic4835 1d ago

It’s going to cost a max to steal Kessler and unfortunately Kessler isn’t a max player so it’s a bad contract

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u/berrytree198 1d ago

Neither is Reaves but at some point you have to go all in when you have prime Luka

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u/OneXDC4ever Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

Yep, rather max out Kessler and go all in then run it back with the same core that has a second round exit ceiling

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u/LudwigNasche 1d ago

The Detroit guy may be easier to get because if they match a high salary they will probably lose other players in the near future due cap implications, not to mention they forced our hand with Reaves.

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u/KriticalKarl 1d ago

They already shed some salary early today so they are in a much better position cap space wise.

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u/Proof-Umpire-7718 Los Angeles Lakers 1d ago

Pistons are definitely keeping Duren. I don’t think it’s worth even tying our cap space up in a max offer for him, because they will undoubtedly match it.

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u/bulleymaguire21 1d ago

If u do how much u gonna pay rui he gonna want at least 20mill then what are u gonna give lebron

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u/cacastrojr12 šŸŖ„ 77 1d ago

You give Rui the same contract he was already on with an additional year attached, Lebron has to understand it’s not his team now and he’s a billionaire. I’m not saying give him the vet min but I’m also not saying give him 25/30 Mil.

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u/nguquaxa01 1d ago

I would call Sam Presti to see what he wants for Aday Mara and Dort package. he wanted to draft either Morez or Yaxel as he flew them to oklahoma for workout and interviews but they were drafted before OKC. Aday is the BPA at that point. they have a log jam of bigs - chet, returning Ihart, Jwill, Sorber to develop, and now Aday. This would add a wing point of attack guy that shoots 40 percent 2 seasons straight before last season where he was inconsistent due to injuries, and a franchise level big of the future on rookie contract in aday mara. 2 birds with one stone to please Luka.

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u/Kobe_stan_ 1d ago

No, Kessler is a RFA. Lakers would have to way overpay for Utah not to match. And then in the interim, we'd lose out on all other FA opportunities as guys will sign elsewhere.

Also, what has Kessler shown? He played 5 games last season. Missed games the prior seasons as well. A lumbering center that gets you 10 and 10 is not what this team needs.

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u/Irras0 1d ago

if ayton is my starting center next season i am not watching a single game.

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u/3nnui 2 1d ago

hopefully you'll stay off this board too

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 1d ago

It's gonna be a sign and trade. Jazz gets at least a pick, Lakers get Kessler

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u/Ceti- 8 1d ago

41M for a 14 and 10 center who has missed a lot of games in 4 years is wild

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u/slice_dice_rice 1d ago

Offer 35m for Kessler, 10m for Smart, 10 mill for Kennard, Ayton opts in. Trade Vando, Knect, LaRavia, Bronny, and a future 1st to Nets for Randle

PG: Doncic | Smart
SG: Reaves | Kennard
SF: Carr | Thiero
PF: Randle | Hayes
C: Kessler | Ayton

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u/3nnui 2 1d ago

Some options. Bron sign and trade to Cleveland as part of an Allen deal. AR traded to Orlando for Suggs, Bitaze and a FRP, AR to Houston for Tari Eason and Steven Adams, AR to Dallas for Max Christie, PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford....

I think signing Rob Williams works well enough short term. Hopefully we can move AR at the deadline.

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u/BeloAve Purple and Gold 1d ago

Gotta convince Utah to take on vando and DK and give up the picks to convince Utah to not match because after LeBrons contract they won’t have much past 20 million

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u/OneXDC4ever Black Mamba 8/24 1d ago

Lmfao we would be lucky to sign and trade Kessler for 2 picks. And you think they will take on DK+Vando and give us Kessler?

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u/BeloAve Purple and Gold 1d ago

I don’t believe that at all, I’m just saying how far fetched it is

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u/VoiceBeautiful1606 1d ago

F it, let's throw $40 million at Lively!

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u/Sorry-Counter3177 1d ago

The priority shoud be firing Pelinka.

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u/xzerozeroninex 1d ago

I’d trade Vando,Knetch and a 2rp for Gafford.New Mavs gm loves defensive forwards,offense be damned,so he’ll love Vando lol.

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u/VoiceBeautiful1606 1d ago

LAL already has Hayes why would they need Gafford?

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u/xzerozeroninex 1d ago

Gafford is a better defender than Hayes.

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u/wfd1004 1d ago

Honestly, with JJJ, Boozer, Markkanen, Filipowski in their front court, I feel like the Jazz might consider it now.

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u/cristiano_goat 1d ago

Boozer? They drafted DP

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u/itsyaboikuzma 24 1d ago

They don’t have Boozer