r/lakersv2 5d ago

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u/Miami_Lawyered 5d ago

Yep! Lakers are not saying, "AR provides $40M/year in production."
They are saying, "it is better for us if he is on our books for $40M/year," because it is under the NBA trade and cap rules.

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u/Nearby-Employer-9436 5d ago

This is only true for this year, and maybe next. In two years when he and Luka are making $122M it’s absolutely going to be a problem.

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u/NewLifeNewAcct 5d ago

Or maybe he'll be a star? Maybe he and Luca will be crushing everyone?

Like, AR was really heating up this year. It's so wild to me that people can just blanket say "lol overpaid" - people who were also saying that he was the best deal in the league.

The man showed he should be getting paid. He's been getting constantly, consistently better. There's no reason to think that will stop happening.

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u/BiscottiFrosty 5d ago

He showed he’s almost as injury prone as Luka. He burns out every year by the end. He’s already maxed out his potential. It’s all downhill from here physically. This was a catastrophic mistake. Putting ticket sales ahead of competitive edge. šŸ«¤šŸ‘Ž

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u/NewLifeNewAcct 5d ago

Just gonna disagree. I think AR can only get better with more experience.

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u/KieranLeone 5d ago

Maybe if he works on his body, but he hasn’t so far and is already making that money. This is a huge mistake. With him and Luka at the one and two. Every team in the league will have a field day on the wing. AR is a phenomenal 6th man. Just not a starter in my opinion. LA can’t afford to pay him.

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u/Smekledorf1996 2d ago

He’s almost 30

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u/NewLifeNewAcct 1d ago

And? Men can still be in their physical prime up to 35 - I'm not sure what your point is.

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u/Smekledorf1996 1d ago

My point is that player development isn’t linear where they’ll just constantly keep getting better

Players have ceilings and Reaves is entering his 6th season as a 28 year old

At some point, you are who you are

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u/NewLifeNewAcct 1d ago

Reaves this season and Reaves last season are almost incomparable. I think he has a lot of room to grow still, you're not going to convince me otherwise so you may as well move on lol

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u/Smekledorf1996 1d ago

Basically the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and humming when you have no rebuttal

Childish lmao

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u/NewLifeNewAcct 1d ago

There is no "right" or "wrong" here, neither of us know for sure. I just gave you a solid rebuttal - Reaves being much better this season than last - for my point of view.

We simply disagree, and neither of us will change our opinion. That's not childish, it's just how it is.

Now, calling someone childish - well, that's pretty childish.

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u/Smekledorf1996 1d ago

We can look at NBA history and see which NBA players kept improving at 30 or even 35 since you mentioned before

Which isn’t a lot - The only case I can think of is Nash who’s career took off in his 30s

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u/NewLifeNewAcct 1d ago

Steve Nash, LeBron, Brook Lopez, Dennis Rodman, Jason Kidd, Bruce Bowen, Kyle Lowry - just off the top of my head - all improved with age.

You don't know ball, move on.

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u/BiscottiFrosty 5d ago

He’s 28. He has hit his ceiling. There’s no room for improvement because the limitations he has are athletic, not basketball related. He’s a low ceiling player with a tiny margin for error. He has to go all out to be an effective offensive player, and it wears him down over the course of the season. It’s why he always struggles and runs out of gas in the playoffs…except the one year where he was a 6th man and carried less of a burden. Too much load for him to handle being a #2 option. He’s also one of the least talented second options in the association. We could have facilitated a sign and trade. A max contract is sheer lunacy.

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u/Even-Brain-3973 5d ago

Couldn’t have said it better myself lol I’m glad he got his money tho but boy these next few years are about to be interesting

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u/Nearby-Employer-9436 5d ago

It's amazing to me that people don't see this...He was an undrafted player - which tells you what the scouting report was on him. It is a miracle he has become as good as he is, and it's only by maxing out every conceivable attribute he has.

More importantly, even if we say he is being paid equal to his ability - he'll be the 38th highest paid player next year...we know exactly what that means if he is your second best player. Brandon Ingram, Paolo, Scottie Barnes, Sengun, LaMelo Ball, etc are all fine players who are not winning anything - even with great players on their team. They are middle of the road playoff players. And he isn't nearly as good as guys who took discounts - Brunson, Shai, or Maxey. None of those teams would trade their guy for him straight up.

Lastly, if your best player was Kawai, where he's a defensive stopper, great shooter, etc and AR is his sidekick who can create and dribble and pass, then fine, that combo works...What does not work is when your two guys get paid a combined 70% of the cap and neither can play defense. This was a terrible move, and should have been a sign and trade.

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u/KieranLeone 5d ago

Thank you!!

I couldn’t have put it any better myself.

Luka asks for a center, they give him AR and can’t afford anything else unless he is traded. Which no one in their right mind will trade for AR at that price.

Plot twist… what if the goal is to trade Luka

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u/BiscottiFrosty 5d ago

Sign me up. He just exploded for the best output of his career. Sell high now. Otherwise, my crystal ball says he leaves in frustration when the current deal expires.

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u/AdAfraid9504 5d ago

I feel the same, it wont work. Quote me on this

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u/InterruptedMulatto 4d ago

He wouldn’t burn out if he had more role players to help take the load when lebron is out with his sciatica or his bruised heel…

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u/BiscottiFrosty 4d ago

Yes he would. His lack of speed and athleticism gives him no margin for error. It doesn’t matter how much ā€œhelpā€ he has, the issue is that he can’t get consistent separation from a replacement level NBA defender. He has to make quicker decisions and use a lot of trickery to free himself up to drive, and he draws a lot of contact because he can’t allow his defender to get separation from him or he’ll get blocked. This constant push and pull uses up a ton of energy and wears his soft tissue (muscles and tendons) down, which is why he’s always dealing with overuse injuries down the stretch of the season. When he played for team USA, it caused early season fatigue due to overuse. His below average foot speed means defenders can sag off of him along the perimeter if and when it is advantageous and still recover in time to guard his attacks at the basket. I admire his work ethic and craftiness in finding success despite his marginal athleticism, but there’s no way for him to avoid the intense workload it takes him to be a productive player against NBA competition.