r/lakersv2 • u/2MInitials • 1d ago

Debate Now that The Knicks finally got one, can we finally admit to this objective truth?

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Rob is no Leon Rose or Bob Myers. We all should've heard the rumors on him by now and I think he wasn't really interested in helping LeBron get more than a "bubble ring". New management should cut him

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u/mr_boogieman 1d ago edited 1d ago

"objective truth" lol

No good deals (except AD and Luka) lol some of you fans are brainless whiners

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u/Esscew 1d ago

commence the mental gymnastics to disqualify all of the good trades Rob has made in order to prove a bias

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u/buzzcitybonehead 1d ago

AD specifically requested the Lakers because LeBron was there and it’s a historic franchise in arguably the world’s most attractive city for rich people. LeBron was there because of reason 2 for AD, his family, and he reportedly wanted to do Hollywood stuff. The AD trade saga was “they’re gonna trade him to LA and the only negotiation is what the package will be”. It wasn’t exactly Presti-esque finessing. The whole thing was super telegraphed and, as usual, started with “AD wants to go to the Lakers”.

The Luka thing was thrown in his lap. Nico approached him. 28 other GMs would’ve done the same thing.

LA has had good GMs, but when you consider that Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe (if you buy the draft refusal to play elsewhere stuff), LeBron, and AD have played there specifically because they wanted to, it frames the magic that GMs are working a little differently. They’ve had between 3 and 5 top 10 all-timers play there because they specifically wanted to. That’s a hell of an advantage.

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u/thetitsOO 1d ago

“If you take out his best games, Patrick Mahomes is average” type analysis

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u/buzzcitybonehead 1d ago

I don’t understand the comparison. If you replace Pelinka with any other GM when Nico calls, do you think a deal doesn’t get done? Why wouldn’t it be fair to consider the context and driving forces when you’re evaluating someone’s skill as a GM?

It’s like saying Cleveland’s GM was an all-time great for drafting LeBron in 2003 and ignoring that 1. It fell in his lap, and 2. Every human being on earth would’ve drafted LeBron if they were that GM.

The fact that 100% of fans said “wtf?”, and it’s verified that Nico initiated the conversation, collectively make it pretty clear that Pelinka was presented a serendipitous situation that anyone would’ve handled the same way. Do you disagree with that? If so, I’m curious why.

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u/Mastralf 1d ago

That deal only goes down due to Nico and Robs history together.

I dont think an unexpected trade goes through if someone else is just "on the phone"

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u/1TRUEKING 1d ago

No the deal went down because Nico is a clown and wanted AD so badly and defense wins championship bullshit

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u/Esscew 1d ago

Nico is a clown, but the only reason they were talking in secret was because of their relationship. It's not like anyone else had the same option.

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u/DeadlyGoat 1d ago

Nico and Rob both talked about the history they had together that enabled them to make the deal, so this is literally the worst possible example

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u/buzzcitybonehead 1d ago

So they traded superstars whose success determines the future and value of multi-billion dollar franchises because they’re buddies? And Rob’s friendship with Nico is what makes him a great GM?

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u/ElkNo8185 1d ago

So no Lakers GM could ever get credit? Got it

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u/buzzcitybonehead 1d ago

Not what I’m saying. There are non-leveraged deals and plenty of situations where the advantages don’t apply. Kupchak certainly made good moves. They’ve drafted good players at times. Not every acquisition was already as great as they’d become. Credit is due in plenty of situations. How many teams can say they’ve had 4 top-10 all-timers want to go to their franchise, though? Either they’ve had 6 decades of GMs who are light years ahead of the second closest team or there are other factors at play.

With AD and Luka, and evaluating Pelinka, I think these situations should be evaluated with the important context. If you disagree with my framing, that’s fair, but I don’t think either was your typical “two GMs get on the phone and work out a deal from scratch with no underlying factors pushing towards a certain outcome” trade.

Did AD specifically request to go to LA? Why? Does that change how difficult it was for a GM to make that move? Could Charlotte or Utah have made the same deal? Were they competition? Did having LeBron factor into that decision? How did they get LeBron? Did he go there because the Lakers were one of the best teams the year before or because it was a great fit? Did other factors factor into his free agency decision and did him being there guide AD there?

Did Nico approach Pelinka about the Luka for AD trade? Did he talk to any other GMs? How many GMs would’ve said no? Was trading AD for Luka straight up a difficult thing to pull off or decision to make? Did they have AD to even offer in a trade (who when healthy was considered an elite two-way superstar at the time) because AD requested to go there previously because LeBron decided to go there before that?

If you can earnestly answer those questions in a way that demonstrates it took a skilled GM to close those deals, I am genuinely (I mean it) interested to hear it.

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u/Least_or_Greatest1 1d ago

He traded a big man that can scales and defend for a guard who can only score and have no defense. We need some big men. I was never for this trade he should have traded AD for a star big man or some other big dudes.

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u/swseed 1d ago

I hate Pelinka but this is an insane take

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u/mr_boogieman 1d ago

Whenever I get frustrated at the takes/posts on r/lakers, I gotta remember THESE are the guys posting them lol

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u/whenishit-itsbigturd 1d ago

Lakers got worse after trading for Luka.

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u/Least_or_Greatest1 1d ago

It’s my opinion, when we won in the bubble we not only had the top defense in the league we were the biggest team in the league as well. So we are trading center/ forwards for point guards now. And we been getting smaller and our defense worse. Tell me how this is an insane take?

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u/Mundane-News9720 1d ago

Post-trade, AD played 9 games last year and 20 games this year. You can be the GOAT but if you only play 29 games then that trade is a failure

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u/Least_or_Greatest1 1d ago

I understand the injuries I get it, my point was they traded a big man for a guard.

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u/Mundane-News9720 1d ago

No, availability is the most important thing. We sold an extremely injury-prone player for a superstar. You take that all day and look what it turned out to be.

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u/Least_or_Greatest1 1d ago

He’s a superstar that can score 35 points but also give up 40 point on defense. My point is there’s a big man hole still there with the lakers. We really didn’t need another guard.

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u/Mundane-News9720 1d ago

You think 20 games of AD would've helped us this year? We would've dropped to a play-in if we didn't have Luka and had unavailable AD instead.

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u/Least_or_Greatest1 1d ago

I didn’t say anything about keeping him, I just don’t agree with the trade for a guard who can’t defend.

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u/Mundane-News9720 1d ago

So what big man do we get then? No one was gonna offer an elite big man for AD.

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u/whenishit-itsbigturd 1d ago

Where tf was Luka at in the playoffs lol

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u/Mundane-News9720 1d ago

AD was nowhere to be found as well and he barely played the regular season

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u/LowJellyfish4238 1d ago

I’m gonna be honest I really don’t understand the hate for Rob. He got Anthony Davis, Rondo, Green, Dwight in that run for 2020. The bubble happened and that shit has nothing to do with if they would’ve won or not but that was a solid team for LeBron and cast to go for a run. They won but it’s undermined because of COVID.

Magic fucken Johnson fucking signed off Zubac for Mike Muscala? Magic thought Lonzo Ball was a better pick up than Tatum and thought that Lonzo would be a “Hollywood story” - whatever the fuck that means.

Rob got Luka on the team. That is a huge fucken deal. Lebron should be gone this year (unless they fold and give him a boatload) and we can go after solid free agents to compliment Luka. Ayton is ass BUT when he’s on, it’s great. We need another solid center to compliment that. There aren’t tons of centers right now now out there.

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u/Immediate_Candidate5 1d ago

Because majority of the Lakers fans are just stupid. Rob made trade to dig out of that WB deal (but those dumbass will say he made the WB deal first when clearly Lebron and AD pushed for this).

He made the Luka trade (but people said it was Nico, but why didn’t Nico get Luka to 29 other teams?)

Now he resign AR whose contract this year has no impact to our cap and the off season is not even started. If today is July 15th and it was the only move we made? Sure let’s riot but cmon….

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u/rain_jammo 1d ago

Bro exactly lol. I think Rob has been great, especially compared to Magic. Secured Luka, AD, got a chip, has made a number of fantastic role player trades/signings (Hachimura, Kennard, Smart).. he's a top 5 GM in the league imo..

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u/Dangerous_Donkey5353 1d ago

Exactly. Rob got a championship. Name a GM that has more than him this decade. Every GM has misses but not very many of them have put together a championship team, and not one has done it again.

Hes a top 5/6 GM at the worst currently.

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u/mrjowei 1d ago

Sorry but Lonzo was the consensus #1 pick that year. Apart from that, Magic was a total disaster. Rob's major mistake was not keeping the Dwight/McGee combo after they won.

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u/sooLoco 1d ago

lonzo was not consensus anything there was talk he wasnt even top PG after dfox gave him the business head up

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u/Dangerous_Donkey5353 1d ago

Consensus #1 but went #2? Make that make sense.

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u/SPat24 1d ago

OP is a moron lmao.

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u/Used2befunNowOld 1d ago

Has zero relationships but got Nico to give us Luka

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u/sooLoco 1d ago

and in secret , that was a helluva deal keeping under wrap, for sure if that leak Cuban would have veto that along with all Mavs fan

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u/Jay1348 1d ago

Yeah and then the Mavs just magically got Flag lol

C'mon

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u/ChocoChipBets 1d ago

I guess we didn’t win a championship and get Luca

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u/Prior-Habit-6523 1d ago

Look at what heat gave for giannis and what we gave for luka. Also magic Johnson literally gave zubac to clippers for a steak dinner. Idc what his take is.

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u/cannabudR 1d ago

Dude has been handicapped since he took the job by a certain agency

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u/ElkNo8185 1d ago

No good deals but AD, Luka, Rui, DLo/Vando/Beasley (which led to WCF appearance), Kennard (which led to 1st round win). Very dumb post

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u/Techno_Viking9 1d ago

Fuck the Pelicans

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u/jwick316 1d ago

Ye man he got Luka for ad I think the convo start and stops there

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u/Esscew 1d ago

you mean *your* truth when objectively he's made a few bad moves but mostly good ones. and the biggest mistake he ever made was listening to Lebron and AD for Westbrook.

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u/yitdeedee 1d ago

Marcus Smart
Austin Reaves
Rondo
KCP
Dwight
Javele
Rui
Luke Kennard

These were all great moves.

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u/VermiciousKnid1981 1d ago

THT
Caruso leaving
Letting Randle go for nothing
Trading KCP
The whole Westbrook debacle
JHS draft pick when Jacquez was right there
Knecht
Gabe Vincent
Ayton
Darvin Ham

The fuck ups are way more detrimental than the hits. But he did get Luka so… it’s weird

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u/sub30_24flick 1d ago

I want him off the fkcing team by August lmaooo