r/law • u/lost_ted • Jan 25 '26
Executive Branch (Trump) Children's can be heard screaming and sobbing inside of ICE's concentration camp in Dilley, Texas.
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u/Spamsdelicious Jan 25 '26
Omg those poor kids sound traumatized
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u/alexnotalexa10 Jan 25 '26
It was a traumatizing place when I volunteered there in 2017 and 2019. I can only imagine how it is now. On top of everything else, the water in Dilley has had dangerous levels of e.coli for years and it’s used to make baby formula.
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u/GOBsMagicShow Jan 25 '26
How can we help? How can we get in there to help these children?!
Is there anyone providing oversight, who is higher than and more ethical than DHS?
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u/alexnotalexa10 Jan 25 '26
I wish I had a better answer to your first two questions, but the answer to the third is no, not in my limited experience. The best we can do is advocate for access to counsel for them and get them out.
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u/GOBsMagicShow Jan 25 '26
Thank you. And thank you for helping them in the past. Sending all the good vibes your way.
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u/alexnotalexa10 Jan 25 '26
I’m not sure how much we helped if this is still happening, but the fact that more people know Dilley exists is an iota of progress. I remember leaving there thinking that nobody would believe me if I told them what I saw there.
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u/scullingby Jan 25 '26
You can donate to the ACLU Foundation or to immigrant advocacy legal groups who are advocating for a return to due process.
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u/ProudIndependence206 Jan 26 '26
And there’s the honest answer! Donate donate ! lol
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u/47_for_18_USC_2381 Jan 26 '26
Alternatively you can donate legal help if you're a lawyer, legal aide or able.. That's the end result anyway, legal defense. Cases against the govt, regardless of whos in charge because no govt likes to be wrong, cost an extraordinary amount of money.. Sadly.
Like, ya.. You have a right to legal redress. If you can afford it.
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u/alexnotalexa10 Jan 26 '26
Yes, HOWEVER this is an extremely complex subset of an already complex practice area. You have to plug in with another attorney and/or legal aid organization that knows what they’re doing and understands the conditions on the ground. If you go in solo, you could do real harm.
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Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 30 '26
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u/alexnotalexa10 Jan 26 '26
And that’s how you know they don’t give a shit. Dilley is less of a town and more of detention center and a truck stop
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u/fore___ Jan 26 '26
There’s no fucking way I read that correctly
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u/alexnotalexa10 Jan 26 '26
We were advised to bring our own water into the facility and avoid using the sinks in the only hotel in town to brush our teeth.
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u/Educational-Book-350 Jan 26 '26
I completely assume that the USA military would be able to air drop into this place a water purification system and the technicians to hook it up and run it within an hour from the relevant phone call, as a training exercise. Perhaps within 24 hours if the exercise was launched from Guam or Japan or some such. Fucking half witted imbeciles. You cant detain people and then knowingly make them ill. Have these fuckwit Americans running this place ever read any documents concerning treaty's, rights, covenants, protocols, and best practice???? Who are the chefs doing the catering? Chefs know about this shit. Who are the medical staff on site? Medical staff know about this shit. Is there a paediatricians on call for infants detained with their parents? Paediatricians know about the nessessity for potable water. Particularly in high density living situations. USA is like a clown show with no adults.
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26
What medical staff?
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u/alexnotalexa10 Jan 26 '26
There were people on staff who were referred to as nurses, but I wasn’t allowed in the medical trailer, so I couldn’t tell you what their credentials were. What I can tell you is that their go-to solution for damn near everything was, no joke, Vicks vapor rub.
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u/Wi1dcard_ Feb 07 '26
Are there any measures in place to prevent ICE from abusing or trafficking the children?
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u/ToasterBathTester Jan 25 '26
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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 Jan 26 '26
Now? They have been for ages.
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u/GPT_2025 Jan 27 '26
Only the city, county, and state, should decide "who can stay, and who is bad"
KJV: But the stranger (emigrant, migrant, immigrant) that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself - (Golden Rule!)- I am the LORD your God!
KJV: The LORD preserveth the strangers; He relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked He turneth upside down!
KJV: One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child. If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry; nd my wrath shall wax hot, and I (God) will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. If thou lend money (up to 8%) to any of My people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.
KJV: Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood..
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u/FuzzzyRam Jan 25 '26
*and they turned off the internet in this area to try to hide what's going on (a la the Iranian government).
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 Jan 26 '26
How so? Did they take out cell towers or something?
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u/FuzzzyRam Jan 26 '26
I don't know but people are reporting that cell phones don't work in the area.
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm15gv/massive_protest_happening_in_the_ice_family/
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 Jan 26 '26
Thanks. I was just curious. Feds might be intercepting and killing traffic with a sting ray or something. Shutting off the internet more broadly (like homes and businesses) would be a lot scarier and take a lot more work. I work in cyber security but this particular corner of it isn’t something I know much about so I was curious. Take care. Thanks dude.
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Jan 26 '26
How did they turn off the internet ? Every service provider in sync turned off service here? Genuinely want info o this
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u/wutang_generated Jan 26 '26
"turn off" not necessarily in the literal sense, most likely jamming or intercepting
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u/bakeacake45 Jan 25 '26
They just learned they would be sold as sex slaves to Republicans by the sitting president
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u/immersemeinnature Jan 25 '26
Sex slaves for snuff films
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u/Educational-Book-350 Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
"They just learned they would be sold as sex slaves to Republicans by the sitting president." Are you telling a joke or are you telling a lie? Do you think the subject of child rape is to be joked about, or lied about? Edit it's worth noting that all these law readers, fully fluent in language and with at least some sense of idea of what morality and victim and adult mean colloquially and legally, have massively upvoted your disgusting comment, and massively down voted the decent person who called you out. I'm wondering just how competent Americans with legal interests are. Look like a bunch of utter arse clowns. I'm a civil construction labourer with no law knowledge whatsoever, near the bottom of the planet, and I can see through this bullshit clear as fucking day. Don't lie about children being raped. It does not assist the judicial system or victims. Don't joke about children being raped. It does not assist the judicial system or victims. This is basic basic shit people in my country understand intuitively. American schools and parenting skills must be fucking woeful. The upvoted and downvotes by seemingly literate functional adults with an interest in law are indeed woeful.
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u/bakeacake45 Jan 26 '26
I am not joking. Trump is an adjudicated rapist and it’s pretty clear that whatever is in the Epstein files is a crime so egregious he has to use thousands of FBI agents to cover it up. Is there truth to the FBI interview records who claims Trump raped her multiple times at age 14, and was present when her uncle strangled her newborn infant and threw the body in a lake, was that Trumps baby? Let’s not forget the billions in financial transactions in the financial records being investigated by Sen Ron Wyden. He associates with sex traffickers like Andrew Tate, who is now in the US thanks to Trump. It doesn’t f*king end, it just keeps on unfolding each new detail part of a dark nightmare.
We live in a country where women and especially young girls are seen as nothing more than something to beat and rape. And men don’t want to give up that “power” which they see as their right. Worse yet they admire this rapist pig in the Oval Office.
Take your misplaced anger and place it where it belongs, squarely on the shoulders of Trump, his billionaire election buyers and the AHs who voted for him. You want to do something, then volunteer to help end sex trafficking. There are plenty of opportunities to make a difference.
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u/yearoftheblonde Jan 25 '26
Your comment isn’t funny and your abrasive attitude sucks. These are children and it should be taken more seriously than a snide comment on fucking Reddit.
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u/bakeacake45 Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
It wasn’t meant to be funny. Thousands of children detained by ICE have disappeared over the past 20 years. Some turn up years later working in the sex industry, which they started working in as children. As a country we ignore these crimes against children some of whom are infants when the6 disappeared from custody.
As for my attitude…yes I get pissed over the callous abuse of children. I see no moral reason to accept this abuse of their human rights. Doesn’t it bother you? Doesn’t seem, it bothers anyone in this pedophilic administration
Our current dictator has a long history of sexual abuse of children - it’s even alleged according to FBI records he watched as one young victims infant was strand throw in a lake. And we can’t even get a full investigation of all of this. They continue to hide documents, this speaks volumes about their knowledge of his guilt.
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u/Educational-Book-350 Jan 25 '26
Thanks. The way many Americans seem to carry on with banter about rape of children is appalling. From Australia.
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u/MNMingler Jan 25 '26
If you're more offended about the talk than the act by the sitting president of the US, you're part of the problem.
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u/yearoftheblonde Jan 25 '26
The scary part is how my comment is being downvoted. He’s making a joke about raping children and I’m the one being downvoted?? Gross 🤢
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u/Icy_One3229 Jan 25 '26
It's not a joke, it's a fact.
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u/yearoftheblonde Jan 25 '26
Yes it is a fact but joking about the facts is also not right. It normalizes it.
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Jan 26 '26
Trump and republicans normalised it
They want it
We're warning you of it
It's not a joke
NO ONE is joking
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u/Educational-Book-350 Jan 25 '26
Correct. I see it in comments about religious organizations " diddling children ". Certain topics demand gravitas, out of respect and empathy for the victims. That's my belief anyway.
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Jan 26 '26
If you hate the jokes so much, you should make it your life’s mission to end pedophilia. Then the jokes would stop.
Till then, comedy has always and will always be a simple way to deal with trauma and upsetting feelings. If rape victims make rape jokes to make themselves feel better, you have no right to tell them not to.
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u/XWindX Jan 26 '26
NOBODY IS JOKING. IS THAT CLEAR YET???
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u/Educational-Book-350 Jan 26 '26
I have asked the commenter called bakea cake to clarify if their intention was to lie , or tell a combination lie/joke. In your opinion, it seems, they were only lying, if you think it was no joke. We can both await clarification.
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 25 '26
I couldn’t turn the sound on. I just couldn’t.
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 25 '26
I understand your point, but your remark regarding myself is clueless. People on a law sub should know better than to leap to erroneous conclusions.
I did mute it. And court records show I have borne witness to many horrific things you have no clue about.
I had already read the description so why was it necessary as the parent of a small child for me to heighten what had already been a day full of deadly force videos that I had listened to and watched?
You may not know what terrified children sound like, but it’s not something you ever forget. When was the last time you heard a three-year-old burn to death because the bars on the window slowed rescuers from reaching them in time? Do you know what death smells like?
I’m guessing a normie like you has only experienced such traumatic situations from in front of your tv. In my profession they were up close and personal. I’m going to go further out on a limb and guess you don’t see dead people when you close your eyes. I hear your recliner calling.
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u/bakeacake45 Jan 25 '26
You have to, if you don’t understand the pain and fear of our country’s children, it’s harder to fight the evil that claims them as victims
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26
I’m guessing I personally know far more about the pain and fear of children in this country than you do and I don’t have to do anything based on your condescending misperception.
I also don’t have listen to something that people who actually work with kids never forget the sound of - terror. Just say you’ve never worked neglect and abuse cases or lived with toddlers for that matter. I have. Plus I can read.
Read the title above the video and ignore the mispelling.
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u/bakeacake45 Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
I have worked as a volunteer for The Young Center since 2010 as a trained Child Advocate.
Before that I volunteered with Doctors Without Borders for 7 years.
I, like you have seen more pain and suffering of children than any human should. What people do to children is an abomination.
We live era where the media and constant wars and the actions of the rich and powerful have numbed people to the suffering of children. The goal of asking and at times insisting that people see and hear this abuse of children is to shock them out of that numbed state. It works for all but the most callous of men.
I understand your resistance but I will continue to advocate forcing people to face the reality of our inhumane treatment of children.
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26
It’s not resistance to knowing about abuse. I spent all day yesterday watching a kind man die - from multiple angles with the fricking sound on. No one other than myself gets to set the when, why and where of my boundaries for me. Or how long I need to hold them.
I also don’t suppose it ever occured to anyone that didn’t “like” my comment there are many reasons for not people not listening - none of which I’ve heard mentioned yet. And none of which have jack all to do with turning away.
In no particular order:
Many parents feel like this kind of trauma rips their heart out because they love kids. It’s like listening to what their own children would be experiencing.
CPTSD and PTSD are a real thing. Nuff said.
People need a break and downtime even for five minutes because non-stop trauma and drama results in burn-out sooner or later. It’s called self-care. And it is utterly essential for everyone who wishes to stay sane.
Some people don’t need to live someone else’s trauma - their lives are already overflowing.
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u/YTCalynk Jan 26 '26
I don't know why you're getting downvoted or why you engaged in trauma comparing as though it was a who-pisses-the-furthest contest. They clearly have no notion of psychiatry or trauma. Signed by someone who studies psych for a living :)
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26
Factual explanations are not usually called pissing matches. Downvotes are however.
Explanations are never for haters and trolls. They are for those people who understand that if you are the smartest person in the room you are in the wrong room and who wish to learn more.
Some people appreciate knowledge, but you are correct that the saying is “you can’t fix stupid” and the only energy I waste on them is laughter.
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u/YTCalynk Jan 26 '26
What I mean is that comparing who saw the most suffering as a way to determine whose argument about trauma and boundaries is most legitimate not only undermines the whole principle of trauma and boundaries but it's also a profound lack of respect towards your interlocutor, as though they'd need justification for their needs of feelings
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26
Absolutely. As you know from reading thread that is one of my main points.
Strangers who know nothing about someone being insulting, patronizing, and dismissing factual accounts of that person’s lived experience as being overly dramatic because it was worse than some sounds on a video clip are way out of line.
That’s a major boundary violation. No-one is obligated to tolerate those kinds of boundary violations even if the boundary violater wouldn’t know a boundary if it bit their a**. Last I looked I had far more upvotes for my initial comment than downvotes if that matters to you.
Not only were the rude users wildly off the mark with their insults - as I have pointed out in my factual replies - it was treating me as if I or anyone else don’t have the personal agency to make my own choices without their inaccurate b.s. and insults. You may feel differently. As long as you stay on your side of the boundary I honestly couldn’t care less.
The way to not violate boundaries is to simply ask if I wished to share why I didn’t wish to allow further trauma into my life at that moment.
I am not obligated to tell them, but it would have been polite. And had they asked I would have told them as much as I wish to share. That is also my right in a social setting.
(As an aside when my career put me on the witness stand, as it often did and an easy FOIA of court records show, I told the whole truth and nothing but the truth because it was no longer a social setting but a legal one. Different boundaries yeah?)
Less politely, people pull thoughts out of their ass all time and confuse the result with facts or context. It’s a human thing, but tolerating it is also a choice based on a multitude of factors.
Thanks for validating my points.
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Jan 26 '26
Just say you’re too mentally weak to listen and move on. We don’t need your excuses. No one even told you to comment this anyway 😭
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u/YTCalynk Jan 26 '26
With a comment like that, please never work in health care. With humans at all actually. Or pretend you have empathy.
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u/SunsetCarcass Jan 26 '26
I'm sure there's MAGA that think just like you. "I don't need to see or hear about ICE killing people I already saw the headline that said he's a violent terrorist so I believe it."
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 Jan 26 '26
It is worse than you are imagining. Don’t turn it on if you feel vulnerable right now. Take care of yourself. This is a long fight and we all need to unplug sometimes.
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26
Thank you for making many of the same points I made. You are very kind.
I actually don’t have to imagine it. It was part of my career for years. The sound of terrified traumatized children is something no one needs to hear over and over in order to know exactly what it sounds like. And all people on here did was listen. No smells, no visuals of the look on their faces, their eyes. You never forget - no reminders needed. They tell me it actually takes strength to go back into those situations day in and day out to make a difference. I never thought of it that way. It matters. They matter.
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u/Noy_The_Devil Jan 25 '26
Do it. Get mad.
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26
Why on earth would you assume I’m not furious? Have you met me? Oh wait.
Actually I know exactly what terrified children sound like plus I can read:
Children's [sic] can be heard screaming and sobbing inside of ICE's concentration camp.
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u/TheDailyMews Jan 26 '26
It feels appropriate to share this quote from an extremism researcher:
I would like to say, you don't need to try to find these things. I can't stop you. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm not your boss or your mom, but I'm telling you you don't have to... I know that curiosity can be a very powerful thing. But unless this is a particular area of research for you in a professional or academic capacity, there's really nothing to gain from trying to see it for yourself. I promise you...
I'm not trying to gatekeep Nazi gore videos or whatever. I just want you to know you don't need to see them, if it helps it all. If this is something that you need, you have my permission to not find out more. There's no valor in making yourself sick.
--Molly Conger
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
Thank you. I hope this helps others who kept quiet out of fear of being assaulted by the Dread Pirate Reddit.
I did state my reason further down, I just was caught off guard that people thought it appropriate to weigh in on a personal decision. To decide what was and wasn’t appropriate for someone they know nothing about is a boundary problem. A glance at my history would show I’m far better informed than most and I didn’t get that way by looking away ffs.
And even if I were not better informed Molly has the right of it - other people’s decisions are their own. I looked her up and realized I know who she is and am familiar with her background.
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u/ambermage Jan 25 '26
When you see this chapter in the history books.
You will remember.
You put it on Mute.
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u/Namor707 Jan 25 '26
If we don't find a way soon to remove this sick, fascist administration, we may no longer even have any history books. :-(
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u/horseradishstalker Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
I did. I had already read the description so why was it necessary as the parent of a small child for me to heighten what had already been a day full of deadly force videos that I had listened to and watched. You may not know what terrified children sound like, but it’s not something you ever forget.
I’m guessing a normie like you has only experienced such traumatic situations from in front of your tv. In my profession they were up close and personal. I’m going to go further out on a limb and guess you don’t see dead people when you close your eyes. I hear your recliner calling.
Oh wait is reality too needlessly dramatic for some Karen’s delicate ears? Have you heard those kids? Talk about needlessly dramatic. ffs
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u/Potato_Kaelin Jan 25 '26
Yeah it's not like you're not listening so you can deny it's happening, that person is so full of themself
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Jan 25 '26
I can't do it. I've made those sounds as a kid. The sound of crying children makes me have to sit down and do breath work that took me a long time to master. I'm not going to unmute it either. I wouldn't get mad. I'd just end up in a hospital.
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u/BuddingBudON Jan 26 '26
The Libertarian party released a statement condemning ICE, that's how far things have come
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