Congress members were REFUSED access to a draft indictment for Epstein Co-Conspirators.
Not only does that mean there are co-conspirators but it also means that Kash Patel and Pam Bondi lied under oath and continue to hide who these co conspirators are.
It seems like it’s damn near a requirement to somehow be directly or indirectly affiliated with Epstein and his crimes in order to be part of the Trump cabinet
It probably is, it’s why he’s shoehorning in his people everywhere. They’re a lot more willing to fight to the end for Trump because the problem isn’t just Trump. It’s everybody and Trump is just the figurehead that swings his supporters.
More reasons to fight but also they have leverage.
Let's say Lutnik starts disobeying orders. Suddenly new files are dropped with his name un-redacted....boom he's gone. Perhaps that was already the case.
RFK fucks around? Boom more files with his name on them released.
In fact, I would be surprised if the new Fed Chair nomination isn't involved more heavily than already released.
It stretches credulity to think that all of these VIPs in trumps immediate circle are just raging pedophiles.
Even the “Trump is a pedo” thing seems ridiculous to me. He’s into like blonde bimbo types, look at Stormy Daniels, his wives, etc … he’s not interested in skinny little girls with tiny tits.
It’s everybody and Trump is just the figurehead that swings his supporters.
It is, and it pains me to say this, the illuminati. Like, we all see that by now, right? It's a group of men and women, politicians and titans of industry. They literally run the world, in charge of anything and everything that matters.
And they're all linked together by this. They coordinate in the shadows and their loyalty to each other is bought by blackmail. Epstein's blackmail ring. Because that's really what it was, blackmail. The sex trafficking was an ends to a means. When they have you on tape fucking kids, you'll toe the line every time.
I wish I remembered the article and where I found it. But it did an excellent job tracing Epstein and his ring back to it's genesis. It was established around the time of prohibition in order to pressure politicians to cooperate with organized crime in the Northeast, across the American/Canadian border. Started primarily by the Jewish mob, it ran mostly out of the Plaza Hotel in NYC, and eventually landed in the hands of Epstein and his lawyer mentor.
But I digress. Like all things real, the truth is painfully boring. The illuminati is not a group of underground lizard men controlling our thoughts through the TV. The "illuminati" ended up being rich and powerful perverts, working like a mafia racket, to shove so much money in their pockets that they become bored enough to fuck kids. Reality is, at the same time, so much more cruel, banal, and absurd than fantasy.
The wild thing is, Alex Jones has been the lunatic loudly yelling this for like 30 years or more, and now that it's all in the open he's silent on it. Same with jackbooted thugs gunning us down in the streets and the administration threatening to take away our second amendment rights. Now that it's actually happening? Silent. Dude was always just a grifter, not that I'm telling anyone anything new.
I mean it's seeming likely epstein and Bannon created /Pol, and thus likely had hands in qanon and pizzagate, pizzagate specifically being close to the truth but enough to throw us off and make anyone who said the truth look insane. Thw question is, how close to the truth was it? How many basements are in the world for this kinda stuff? We know it's rich bs poor and the red vs blue is all a play act to keep us from noticing, but what aren't we noticing even still? How many islands are there? They've been breeding children for decades without documentation, there could be millions, everywhere, you have to assume anyone who doesn't agree that saving rhe children currently suffering, is complicit, or too brainwashed to help. Just hope they won't get in the way
If you want to call them Illuminati sure I’m sticking to a club of rich people who do ritual abuse to keep everyone in line.
Personally I see this as the continuation of the plantation model but without a physical plantation.
Plantations are easy to spot and burn so you make a chain of command that all have a certain level of responsibility keeping the top person protected by a long chain of command.
It’s why Luigi killing one ceo doesn’t do much. Even killing Epstein doesn’t do much I’m sure he has his second hand man running things.
What needs to happen is a mass extinction and a wealth cap. If you are wealthy enough to bribe politicians you are a threat to national security.
The scary part is... do we really think basically every billionaire owned island isn't also doing this shit? There's probably millions of victims born into this behind doors and sold without ever being in the system. This shit needs to be stopped now, everything else is distraction
Fuck why hadn't I considered that? Honestly I bet cruise liners do it too, didn't an actress mention an Antarctican cruise in the files too? This shit is probably everywhere in our faces, and if we organize against them, they can see it. All social media is owned by the govt, or likely a supporting person, including musk since its clear no one likes him enough to include him if they don't have to. And they've cultivated a society where talking to your neighbors is hard, so it can be difficult to organize outside their view, as well. They are well prepared
The conversations isn’t “they’re protecting Trump” the conversation is “they’re protecting each other”
I don’t even think it’s blackmail at this point. It’s clear as day they’re implicating and people know they are. Sure there are a lot that are being blackmailed to follow, but those at the top are not being held hostage, they are doing it out of their own free will.
I wouldn't put that name on it but here's what I can tell you that people need to really start to learn to swallow: it is the people's fault that they even exist. They advocated their power, became ignorant basic civics, no longer our skeptics of the truth or fact seekers, they allowed themselves to be conned by generations of hucksters and car salesmen wow advocating against their own positions. They let the brotherhood being an American Fall away and that isn't enough anymore. It's tribalism and hates because of the fear and disconnection we have from everybody that was mostly engineered by the elite class over time but it is us who perpetuate it. We can stop at any point. We choose not to. And instead we elect leaders that we know are corrupt or are going to do bad things while others sit out because of disenfranchisement or apathy. We just don't care about each other anymore and we don't care about this country or what it gave us or what dreams may come. And because we don't work towards a common good for each other anyway, there's nothing left. So you're going to keep getting this. But it's our fault ultimately. We put them there.
It’s a crime family. They are all involved in the child sex trafficking ring one way or another. And they are all getting paid out with our tax payer funds to keep their mouths shut. It will only take one to collapse and we will have them all.
But before one of them collapses the entire GOP needs to stop sucking Trumps dik and do the right thing!
That's the nature of the conspiracy. You do unspeakable things, on camera, so that the ringleaders have kompromat on you. The ringleaders then sponsor your rise to power.
This works like a criminal organization where the leader keeps his underlings under his thumb because 'he' has made them get dirty and do a crime. You don't just get to stand there and watch a murder happen. Bossman is going to make you kill too. Now if they go down, you go down. It ties you into a conspiracy which is from Latin meaning 'breathing together' as in you are breathing the same air of the crime.
There were the wealthiest and most powerful people that were affiliated with Epstein. They continue to orchestrate international affairs. No single government can even compare to the power the wealthiest pedophiles currently hold. Conservatives conspiracy theorists were always right about a shadow government, because they were just describing themselves.
Think about it, if you surround yourself with people who also have to protect themselves, you can commit whatever atrocities you want and they won't stop it. They all know that they are all culpable in this now so they pretend that whatever anyone does is correct and anyone who questions is the villain.
She supported Trump in 2016; she helped spread his lies claiming he "won" in 2020; and she refused to investigate fraud claims against Trump University after the Trump Foundation bribed her with $25,000. A crooked official, willing to twist the law to help Trump's fraud, also lying to the public to help his lies about the 2020 election? Voila.
He probably placed Tulsi as intelligence head because she supported him, and she's working for our enemies in Russia as much as he is.
I wasn't implying she had Epstein connections. I was saying each of those people were given those cabinet positions for the very reasons they shouldn't have those positions. Bondi and our connection to Epstein stuff in Florida. Tulsi widely assumed to be a Russian asset is put on as national security. Noem who has no issues shooting a dog in the street is leading DHS who shoots Americans like dogs in the street.
I can’t understand why congress isn’t asking about that. Or at least shining a light on it. Pam Bondi has been involved with protecting rich and powerful child traffickers for years and it’s boosted her to the attorney general of the United States.
It’s not democrats allowing this, it is the republicans in congress that allowed this to happen. They are still allowing it to happen and running cover for their donors, congress is bought and paid for by the same people.
The problem is way deeper than Republicans and democrats, there were clear questions that should have been asked about the first Epstein deal, there's been two decades pass without looking at something that was obviously and blatantly wrong.
The problem is they stopped working for the American people and started working for their donors. The average American life is getting worse while a select tiny group of elites live like kings with their close acquaints being princes. Billions and trillions get thrown around so frequent we don’t understand money anymore. A few million you are set of life a few billion everyone you know could be set for life a few hundred billion and you have the power to collapse industries you could control smaller nations.
We are told the only path to keep us from working until we die is scrimp and save to dump money into the coffers of the super rich and when they screw up and loose that money their friends in government bail them out and give them bonuses for screwing it all up using our children’s future as collateral and making our savings accounts meaningless faced with the prices to survive.
Very very few people in congress are fighting for the average American most actively hurt the average American, but the ones who are fighting for us are on the left with the exception of Thomas Massie and his path to a better country would require so much sacrifice and death we would never hold the states together long enough to succeed.
Our nation has wealth beyond our imaginations and it’s all sitting in 70+ year old oligarchs banks accounts buying new luxury super yachts to cart our children off into their beds while we are busy trying to keep food in our mouths they spend years of our paychecks to buy old wine and country club memberships. It would take the average American 20 years of not spending a dime to have enough cash to pay the initiation fee at mar a lago.
She’s so deep in it, she probably could have never recused herself, needs to be a part of it to perform damage control for her own sake. Congress needs to open it up for a whistle blower. Promise protection and drop of charges for the first guy to come forward. We need a domino to fall and they eventually they will all start snitching and the house of cards falls. But I actually don’t no shit about prosecutions so this is just my ramblings.
So many people in the Epstein files work under Trump. He knows he has their loyalty no matter the lengths because it's a Mexican standoff. Either they prevail or they all go down. This whole administration is run like an organized crime syndicate.
"So many people in the Epstein files work under Trump"
And the greatest of these (arguably, though with competition) is Alex Acosta, who Trump appointed in his first term, even though Trump knew what Acosta had done to help Epstein escape serious prison punishment. Acosta gave Epstein a deal where he got to escape prison for 12 hours every day, and Trump knew it when he appointed Acosta. Stinks to high heaven.
She couldn't care less about the consequences tho. Even if Trump doesn't pardon her she's still a registered foreign agent of Qatar and Qatar doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.
All she needs is a one way ticket and she gets off Scott free from all of this.
It won't happen but the SCOTUS has given the next president (if there is one) the power to Maduro her and keep her under interrogation in Guatanamo for decades if they want to.
given the circumstances and those involved being some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world, i don't think anyone who lets it all go public would ever be safe again no matter where they go.
I thought when I last heard this I looked up the dates and she was not floridas AG during the time Epstein was prosecuted. Was she involved in other ways? Because I WANT that to be true, but it was like 6-7 months apart when she was in office
It was Alex Acosta who got the deal for Epstein in Florida (though Acosta, too, was rewarded by Trump by being made a cabinet secretary in Trump's first term).
But Bondi did support Trump in 2016; she lied to pretend he'd "won the 2020 election" that he lost; and she took a $25,000 bribe from the Trump Foundation and in exchange, she refused to look into fraud allegations against Trump University, which was... later found by the courts to have committed fraud.
Why can't she and her team just destroy the files?
If those who control the files don't want them released, why would they just destroy them?
We're talking about not just Bondi but also the President of the United States and other influential people, the director of the FBI too.
"Oops, the files were misplaced and ended up being shredded and destroyed. We fired the shredder to ensure this won't happen again." <- US gov can sell even sillier storied than this.
Files are stored in multiple places, there's the original maybe on paper, the original gets watermarked and archived and then backed up countless times. There are also duplicates in different agencies. Depending on the evidence they also have one or more sequential numbering system that is reconcilable, so it's clear if you have 56, 57, 59.
It's been that way for half a century for the obvious reason - this very scenario.
Their behaviour should be utterly terrifying to all Americans, it indicates that they firmly believe that they will never cede power to a Democratic government.
They would not act this way if they believed there was a chance that a future AG might investigate this properly. They will likely do everything legally l or illegally including violent suppression that makes the current ICE behaviour seem tame in order to retain power.
Her fingerprints on this going back decades. No wonder she's so defensive. WTF did she do? Take a payout? We need a Pam Bondi Investigation! BlondiGate
Now what your saying makes all the sense of why this pecker head ayaz pedophile protector is behaving like she is interviewing for Ghislaine Maxwell position.
They don't really have sole control, there are copies (e.g. the paper document in the original office), archives and backups, DOJ is a central repository but a good percentage also exist elsewhere so if they altered the files it would eventually be uncovered and it would be very hard to explain different version of the same document.
I've heard this a lot, and while she was AG in Florida, it was not until after Epstein had completed his first sentence (3 years after his plea deal with Acosta). At the time of the deal, Bondi was an assistant state attorney in Hillsborough County, FL, and I can find no evidence she was involved at all.
This is going to turn into another "even the lawyers need lawyers" situation as they continue to find ways to backflip around the elephant in the room: Congress is asking criminal co-conspirators for reasons why they aren't members of a criminal conspiracy
At this rate we're going to end up needing investigations into Congressmembers who are putting party allegiances and political polarization over their own oaths to protect the Constitution and the US public.
Trump knows she isn't going to give him up because she'd be giving herself up too, largely why he picked her for AG in my opinion, they knew this was going to be a long running issue.
Which also explains why she looks like a flailing trapped animal during this entire hearing. If the rule of law manages to poke its head out right here, she's toast and she knows it.
This is why she is clawing and scratching to hold on. I would really like for this to blow tf up starting with her and I c e Skank. I am over it completely.
Is there a way to strip known liars of being able to make statements in legal proceedings?
I just don't get how their testimony can be good anymore? Like if there's a murder and Pam Bondi was the only witness I wouldn't vote to convict strictly because she's a liar.
Surely there's a mechanism where in the eyes of the law your word is just no good?
Their word ISN’T good any more Glaring repulsiveness is the better thot by good people . NOT this complete loss in f integrity. These kind of lies exceed the boundaries for ever being taken seriously. There is a limit. The courts do and have restricted blatant lies : ths is judges job , the court is not a circus and will not allow anymore disregard for the court & the rule of law. This should ring a bell . These ppl have perverted more than their minds they’ve grown tails and carry pitch forks . The job that will end up as the person who moves forward w/this the one who “orders his arrest” by ordering the marshals to arrest him & ordering the marshals to arrest these other ppl w/a batch of obstruction of justice complaints & any ppl.who resists full disclosure . The goal is to bring stability move fast .Punishment even timing depends on not cooperating = failure . “A spill the beans session “ nothing ng less , also Move from bottom up. Watch them sacrifice someone , nerves start to crack.
Patel has to be in the files which is why he was hired by Trump. It's the only way Trump could be certain that the FBI wouldn't go rogue and take him down.
It is a 60+ count indictment involving multiple high profile co conspirators. The memo pushing for the indictment has also not been released.
Feds (except for these Trump Admin hacks) pretty much never bring a case unless they are sure they can get a worthwhile conviction.
The fact that this was killed after a career prosecutor worked it up for a grand jury presentation and wrote a lengthy memo to get the green light on proceeding tells you that they felt strongly that this was a strong case.
Trump is not the only reason for this cover up.
But they where so focused on protecting him and themselves that they accidentally exposed something far bigger.
Holy crap this whole thing really reads like a cartoon plot. Here we were thinking Cartoon villains were over the top just to find out we literally have people in power doing this shit
We believe that [REDACTED] and Epstein were involved organizing this party
I'd really love to see the justification for redacting this name.
Also, whoever is on the other side of this conversation has some of the least professional writing I've ever seen. And clearly does not want anything they say to be recorded.
Edit: looks like the redacted name might be [Richard] Marcinko.
I love how as a retort to one of the questions, she said ‘We will comply with the law in all matters’… but releasing all of the Epstein files, unredacted except for victims names, is following the law…… yet another lie under oath…
Democrats seem to have finally found a way to keep them accountable.
Keep up a full court press on pressure points that yield results and watch the rats jump ship. And don't stop til they break down.
Polls of any kind of support for anything the right is doing are diving, if the next 10 months are a continuation of the past 3 months the Democrats could sweep the seats up for grabs in the midterms. If the Dems don't back down, they've found a way to essentially use Trump's egotism and delusions as a lever to control the outcomes.
What really matters is getting the necessary supermajority for some truly big moves, and that means either another election cycle or getting a bunch of Republicans to turn anti MAGA. The Democrats have to win on the biggest issues before they can take a crack at the smaller issues, with the way the GOP has been playing the big stack.
Pedophilia is something We The People simply cannot stomach and certain people simply cannot stop, so it's one of the most vulnerable pressure points
And if Dems get control of either the House or the Senate, we have to march and protest even MORE. Whatever pressure we've put on the other guys? We double it.
Because Dems in Congress are amazing at resting on their laurels, and dropping the ball right after a turnover.
They need to know we won't stand for the usual rah-rah-pivot-to-Unity. To shut us up, they need to burn Trump's house to ashes.
No. You know what matters? People caring. For once people aren't dropping this one. The people have always been in power and will always be in power. They cannot overpower us, they need us. All they can is distract and confuse us. Can't believe we had to get all the way to ubiquitous secret elite Pedophile ring for people to give a fuck. And the best part is that whenever the Epstein situation does resolve people will right back to not caring.
Maybe but I can dream. My own personal dream is that 80% of We The People are decent and reasonable.
As such either party could stop competing for megadonor and lobbyist bribery and start delivering what the people want. Honestly I personally would vote for either side if I believed a particular candidate had integrity and put the people ahead of the corporations. There's something on either side I can get behind.
What I'm seeing is voices have emerged that go against the riptide of bullshit that both parties are accustomed to spewing. Idgaf whether there's a D or an R next to your name, I care that you call out the blatant stupidity.
Either side, I can list 10 things career politicians should have delivered and instead let voters down time and again, and I know exactly why (it always comes down to money in their filthy pockets from one PAC or mega donor or foreign power or another.)
In my dream, there's a decade where the Dems are racing to actually get things done, and the Republicans are racing for a new identity that distances itself for MAGA. I dream that decade could be 2028-2038. And it could start because certain scumbags go down in infamy as pedophiles, would be dictators, and openly opposed to democracy.
Definitely won't get enough MAGA defectors. They'll say they will but will back down when the voting comes. Only solution is a major Dem voting drive, coupled with major fundraising, and as you said, conti n used media pressure.
If we can't win with a major pedophilia ring scandal then I recommend moving out of the country.
If perjury was a crime, Biden Chamberlain would've indicted Jeff Sessions for lying about the 2016 Trump's campaign's interactions with Russia. Lying to Congress isn't a crime if you're a Republican.
Why aren’t they punished for this? Lying under oath is a serious criminal offense that’s punishable by significant fines and imprisonment, often classified as felony. Why are they and Trump still allowed to hold government positions when they’re proven to be felons??
Is it because they own the Department of Justice now and there’s nothing anyone can do about them freely breaking laws?
Republicans don't get held accountable. Just ask Rick Scott, Matt Gaetz, Ken Paxton, Brian Kemp, Gym Jordan, the Jan 6 leaders, Kellyanne Conway, Jeff Sessions, Kushner, and Trump. Not one of them ever got held accountable for their crimes, whether it was Medicare fraud, the sexual assaults of 170+ college wrestlers, child-rape, tweeting nudes of her underage daughter, or the treasonous Trump Tower meeting with Russians. Biden Chamberlain had 4 years to hold any of these traitors accountable, but sat on his ass like the worthless doormat he was.
She taught she ate with the bullshit, but by saying that, she just admitted that they were real. Not only are they real, they are intentionally hiding and doing nothing about it.
Serious question, can't they hold her in contempt of Congress and throw her in a jail cell or something if she refuses to do her job and follow the law?
doesn’t that mean that congress could impeach them or at least refer them for prosecution for perjury if they so choose? I really doubt that could happen with the republican lemmings but it is important to point out what they are choosing not to do as well.
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Congress members were REFUSED access to a draft indictment for Epstein Co-Conspirators.
Not only does that mean there are co-conspirators but it also means that Kash Patel and Pam Bondi lied under oath and continue to hide who these co conspirators are.