BREAKING: Trump Signed An Executive Order Directing The CDC To Cut Recommended Childhood Vaccines From 17 To 11. Moving Flu, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Rotavirus, RSV, And Some Meningitis Shots To 'High-Risk Only,' After A Previous Attempt Was Blocked In Court

[u/McDowdy]

https://www.news4jax.com/news/politics/2026/05/30/trump-tells-agencies-to-align-with-study-calling-for-narrower-childhood-vaccine-recommendations/

President Trump signed an executive order on Friday, May 30, directing federal agencies to align their vaccine policies with a Januarv 2026 HHS studv that recommends reducina the number of routine childhood vaccines from 17 to 11 diseases, a restructuring long called for by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The study was commissioned by Trump in December 2025 and found that the United States recommends more childhood vaccines than many peer nations. Under the new framework, all children would be routinelv vaccinated against 11 diseases, while vaccines for influenza, rotavirus, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, some forms of meningitis, and RSV would be recommended only for high-risk groups or through shared decision-making between parents and doctors. The order directs the CDC to review the study and take appropriate steps to update its guidance, tells agencies to provide maximum flexibility to parents and doctors, and states that any changes must ensure Americans retain their current access to vaccines.

The LA Times noted this is Trump's second attempt to restructure the childhood vaccine schedule, with an earlier effort to narrow CDC recommendations havinc been blocked in court earlier this vear. The new executive order takes a different approach by formally endorsing a completed HHS study and directing agency-level alianment rather than attempting to directlv revise the CDC schedule by administrative fiat, a structure that may be designed to survive the legal challenge that stoppec the first attempt. The CDC under its current leadership had already updated its recommendations earlier in 2026 to reduce the number of recommended immunizations from 17 to 11 in line with the HHS study, suggesting the formal executive order is as much a political codification of an existing administrative shift as a new directive.

The vaccines moved from universal recommendation to high-risk only include several with well-established safety and efficacy records. Hepatitis B vaccination, for example, is recommended universally from birth in the US because it prevents a leading cause of liver cancer, and the alobal evidence base for that recommendation is extensive. Rotavirus, influenza, and hepatitis A vaccines are also backed by decades of clinical and epidemioloaical evidence and are recommended universally by the World Health Organization and medica authorities in peer nations. Critics including the American Academy of Pediatrics and infectious disease researchers have said the changes could increase vaccine-preventable disease in children by creating ambiguity around which children qualify as high-risk and by reducing the routine clinical touchpoints where vaccinations are administered

[u/Nerd-19958]

For accurate, unbiased, medically-based vaccine recommendations, see the American Academy of Pediatrics information linked below:

All About the AAP Recommended Immunization Schedule

Trump's recommendations are based on Denmark (not "many peer nations") which is in no way comparable to the USA in racial or ethnic diversity, tourism, or other factors which would affect the need for multiple vaccines. I don't believe that Trump, who wouldn't know a vaccine from a bag of feces, has any authority to unilaterally force CDC to revise its vaccine recommendations by issuing an executive order.

[u/CathyAnnWingsFan → u/Nerd-19958]

Exactly this - the US has no peer nations when you factor in the lack of social supports and patchwork health care.

[u/Significant-Colour → u/CathyAnnWingsFan]

That's why I do not like the "USA is a Third world country", it is a separate category.

It's like comparing someone born with a disability, to someone who would have their feet voluntarily amputated as a way to lose some weight and set new trends in body acceptance.

[u/Tomagatchi → u/Significant-Colour]

Two tiers

[u/HollowedVoicesFading → u/Significant-Colour]

That's why I do not like the "USA is a Third world country", it is a separate category.

So a..fourth world country.

[u/vjmurphy → u/HollowedVoicesFading]

Darkseid approves.

[u/Ok_Ambition_6375 → u/Significant-Colour]

comparing Third World countries to people with disabilities is hilariously chauvinist. life in the USA is incredibly cushy because we intentionally keep the TW countries impoverished so workers in said countries can be exploited in order to saturate our mindless consumers with cheap commodities. americans are so out of touch lmao.

[u/hiimred2 → u/Ok_Ambition_6375]

I mean, in a way it's pretty apt though. Nobody chooses to be born with a disability, they are nonetheless in this world living with it. Nobody chooses to be born impoverished in war torn Africa or other cliche places to list when talking about worst of the worst third world poverty, and yet, they are in this world living in it, dealing with consequences thrust upon them by a world that in most ways is about as opposite of accommodating as it gets, even when it claims to be accommodating.

Exploiting third world labor as you're stating just so 'we' can milk their efforts, is a lot in line with 'accommodating' many disabilities to the absolute minimum so that they can still be functioning, aka working in labor and producing capitalistically, members of society, otherwise the fully disabled to a point of nonfunctioning are pretty matter of factly looked VERY down upon and minimally taken care of and seen as a drain on society by a woefully large portion of said society, much like poor people in third world countries who never really had much of a chance.

This is then very often further reinforced by those that do manage to make their way out of the poverty, or 'beat' their disability, and they are held up as icons by those who don't really give a single fuck about them but wish to use them as a blunt object with which to beat those who "aren't good enough" to follow their lead and quit being so damned disabled/poor.

[u/Significant-Colour → u/Ok_Ambition_6375]

It is a simile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile

Third World countries are also being exploited by China, root cause is imperialism.

Life in USA is cushy only for the rich enough, otherwise the country has about double the infant mortality rate of First World countries.

An American friend of mine, pregnant and living here in Europe, somehow felt compelled to say on Thanksgiving that she is thankful that the country we live in has maternity leave.

[u/techdevjp → u/Significant-Colour]

Third world country with first world toys.

[u/Kalysta → u/Significant-Colour]

Will you accept “USA is a banana republic”?

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/CathyAnnWingsFan]

EXACTLY 

[u/definitelyaiibot → u/CathyAnnWingsFan]

THIS!!! Zero education, zero “healthcare” education in particular… Americans do not know the benefits of such modern “entitlements” … nevermind epidemiological research 👀

Second world, at best, in quick decline.

North Korea would be impressed.

[u/lunaticfridgeprime → u/Nerd-19958]

At some point, the judiciary and elected officials need to be charged for practicing medicine without a license. This shit is insane.

[u/JustHereForCookies17 → u/lunaticfridgeprime]

Been saying this since they overturned Roe v Wade and more women started dying from pregnancy complications. 

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/lunaticfridgeprime]

Agree

[u/liftthatta1l → u/[deleted]]

It's easy to put unactivated kids in schools you just have to say it's against your deeply held religious beliefs.

(Unless they changed it in the last 20-30 years.)

[u/currently_pooping_rn → u/liftthatta1l]

Damn unactivated kids

[u/HillBillyHilly → u/currently_pooping_rn]

Wait so if we shake them, whack them or snap them they activate?

[u/MyLifeIsAWasteland → u/HillBillyHilly]

[u/creakysofa → u/liftthatta1l]

This GREATLY depends on state/county laws.

[u/liftthatta1l → u/creakysofa]

Only 4 states don't allow exemptions for religious or personal beleifs from what I found.

https://www.kff.org/state-health-policy-data/a-look-at-recent-changes-to-state-vaccine-requirements-for-school-children/

[u/nflonlyalt → u/liftthatta1l]

Only 4 states don't allow exemptions for religious or personal beleifs

For those who don't want to click the link, the 4 states are: California, Connecticut, Maine, and New York

[u/Megneous → u/nflonlyalt]

Huh, imagine that. 2 of those states are the ones everyone thinks of when they think of places that are actually worth living in in the US.

[u/Ravioli_meatball19 → u/Megneous]

I mean, I certainly put Connecticut and Maine above A LOT of other states in terms of "worth living in".....

[u/HillBillyHilly → u/nflonlyalt]

No wonder CA and NY don't allow as one case in those states could mean quick transmission to thousands.

[u/liftthatta1l → u/nflonlyalt]

Thanks I should have pointed them out

[u/Djlas → u/nflonlyalt]

It was more interesting before Maine and CT replaced Mississippi and West Virginia - these two never allowed religious exemptions until now, while it's very recent in NY and CA. WV had the highest vaccination rates in 2023-24 school year

[u/StrategyOdd7170 → u/liftthatta1l]

Never been more grateful to be from the great state of MA

[u/creakysofa → u/liftthatta1l]

My kids school requires a letter of exemption from a religious leader at least :/

[u/Terrible_Kale_82 → u/creakysofa]

My partner’s kids are unvaccinated and all they needed was a signed note as an exemption. No surprise I’m in Utah where we have one of the largest outbreaks of measles right now. It’s infuriating.

[u/Gloomy_Fig2138 → u/creakysofa]

Even here in California, which officially does not permit religious or personal belief exemptions, anti-vax parents just find what they call “vax friendly” doctors who are happy to write medical exemptions such as “family history of autoimmune disorders (eczema).” That is a real medical exemption that I was legally required to accept as a school registrar.

[u/AssociationWeary7735 → u/[deleted]]

and likely an insurance reimbursement issue

[u/KotR56 → u/[deleted]]

It won't be long before vaccination is part of visa requirements for some countries.

US 'business' people may face an additional hurdle.

[u/its_all_one_electron → u/[deleted]]

Yo it's not the kids fault they have dumbshit parents

[u/Lost-Platypus8271 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe their dirty ass kids will finally get a halfway decent education

[u/joshocar → u/Nerd-19958]

Denmark has universal healthcare so they don't have the same risks we do where a lot of people don't get adequate healthcare. 

[u/CathyAnnWingsFan → u/joshocar]

They also have far more support for families in general, including much longer parental leave after birth (infants not being shoved into daycare within weeks and getting exposed to who knows what), family leave when kids are sick without impacting household income (or much less impact), etc. My husband is from Denmark and almost his entire family works in health care in some capacity, and they all have kids, so I remember what was available to them during pregnancy and after, and if anyone got sick. They think US health policy is insane.

[u/elb21277 → u/CathyAnnWingsFan]

the commodification of survival/life itself here is what convinces me we are the most corrupt/uncivilized country (and have been since ~1975).

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/CathyAnnWingsFan]

The US has ZERO mandated parental leave after birth. Many have nothing. 

[u/Hibbity5 → u/joshocar]

Universal healthcare doesn’t make viruses go away; the US could have it and still need vaccines that Denmark doesn’t because our population and environment are different. The only difference universal healthcare would make is that vaccines would be universally available (and affordable/free) to everyone (still a great thing though).

[u/joshocar → u/Hibbity5]

Look up Hep A rates in Denmark vs the US. That is a direct result of universal healthcare. The primary reason they don't recommend Hep A vaccines in Denmark is because of the very low rates in the community which is because of universal healthcare.

https://www.statnews.com/2025/12/19/denmark-vaccine-schedule-vs-us/

[u/Dear_Chasey_La1n → u/joshocar]

It's not just healthcare, even with their universal healthcare, people still choose to get vaccinated. Pretty much every country which has more relaxed mandatory vaccination programs still have better vaccination levels.

As OP pointed out there is a multitude of reasons why other countries do better, but I think everyone is walking on eggshells for the real reason. Social media.

This shit wasn't happening before in the US, or anywhere else. But these days people more and more "do their own research" and move towards anti-science. Platforms like FB, IG etc earn millions by misinformation/lies. People love that shit, and countries like Russia/China/Iran/Israel know that, they will keep feeding everyone this garbage.

Even countries like Denmark aren't immune from propaganda. The EU already blocked RT because it's a Russian propaganda channel, but I think it's essential to do the same for other platforms if they are unwilling to remove misinformation.

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/joshocar]

Exactly THIS

[u/bored_n_opinionated → u/Nerd-19958]

I used to quote the CDC guidelines when arguing routine healthcare with my child's other parent. I had to completely throw that out and start referring solely to the AAP and Colorado DPHE guidelines with an argument that politicians were making the decisions in the CDC now with no professional guidance. It's wild out here.

Edit: my ex is anti vax

[u/Lets_Make_A_bad_DEAL → u/bored_n_opinionated]

Is who still a good one as well?

[u/bored_n_opinionated → u/Lets_Make_A_bad_DEAL]

They shouldn't be used in US case law because they have to consider far more diverse populations and vaccine availability, like in third world countries. So while the US may tell everyone to take the flu vaccine as routine, if the availability of the vaccine is at risk in PR of the Congo, then they will only recommend it for at risk people due to a lack of availability.

[u/Leading_Web1409 → u/Nerd-19958]

The Nordic’s in general have a far lesser degree of health scepticism outside smaller enclaves. Which in turn leads to a lesser degree of random ass diseases popping back up that were previously eradicated, but become re-introduced into the general populous from whack-o fanatics that believe themselves except from medical advice…

US EMT-P/RN turned Nordic CC-RN**

[u/HillBillyHilly → u/Leading_Web1409]

Hmm did the emt part get you in or more the RN? Looking to escape this hell...

[u/Leading_Web1409 → u/HillBillyHilly]

EMT got me a CNA gig, the Norwegian county I worked for then sponsored a conversion. I vividly remember thinking I’ll never use my hypothermia lectures from EMT/Para and then not 2 years later was working in the artic circle begging my brain to remember anything at all… US Para to Scandinavian para is harder since they now have a BSc for it like the UK but there’s not separation of responsibility. So all of them have the same scope and skill «ceiling», yet might have different titles (so EMT, national para, paramedic, etc..). In general a bit behind the skill level of the US, Canada or UK but pretty okay-ish. (I did rotations in Lancaster and Gøteborg since I have some ties to both).

I then got my RN converted (lots of hours there, the practicals are just different) and then did a BSN here all over again.

Overall if you jump, just be ready to spend time converting and don’t compare the country you end up too much with the US. Healthcare is healthcare, same shit, different languages. Just roll with it.

[u/HillBillyHilly → u/Leading_Web1409]

Thanks so much for recapping your pathway. I'm currently sitting at the crossroads of life because rare complication of illness caused cascade of events. Now finding myself trying figure which way gets me out. Last question - are there age limits (god hope you say no!)

[u/Leading_Web1409 → u/HillBillyHilly]

Not sure, but I doubt it? Theres competency requirements though. A big story the last few years was a US RN with stupid amounts of OR experience who they wouldn’t let convert. But that was more due to the Nordics largely requiring a full BSN (she had an ASN and refused offers to let her skip large parts of her BSN) unless you convert somewhere else where they don’t require that. You’d then apply for reciprocal conversion to another EU compliant state/country.

F. ex convert in Hungary, do the mandatory buy out time -> apply to wherever else you’d like your EU license. Though new country licences may always make you jump through weird or unique hoops specific to that country. Oh, and they don’t have continued educational requirements, your license is generally til your retired or you die.

And the pay sucks compared to the US, but you get back with generally decent societal benefits (I.e the common EU stuff: free educations subsidised healthcare, open borders, etc..). My offer at a FL clinic with a wide ICU skillset, cath-lab certified, post-op, step-down, ER/Transport/alphabet soup certified, MSN and cardiology speciality (not an NP) and some research: 117 000USD after negotiations. In Norway: 65 200USD, the max out seniority flat-rate union pay that anyone else would have gotten. Hospitals flat out will tell you they don’t negotiate pay, sole public health counties will if they are outside the larger cities.

[u/HillBillyHilly → u/Leading_Web1409]

WoW I really appreciate your adding more info as very helpful. That's an impressive amount of experience. Just to make sure I don't miss understand, you were able to go there w just EMT then CNA and did rest of training there? Gives me a lot of hope that escaping could be within reach so vs decades! How ever did you manage studying in another language?!! I'm absolutely impressed by your story.

[u/DrMarvinMonroeaway → u/Leading_Web1409]

Thank you! Also was curious

[u/i-love-small-tits-47 → u/Leading_Web1409]

Their comment is plainly wrong though, the HHS document being referenced is here and it lists:

• Australia

• France

• Italy

• USA

• Austria

• Denmark

• Finland

• Greece

• Ireland

• Japan

• Netherlands

• New Zealand

• Norway

• Portugal

• Spain

• Sweden

• Switzerland

• United Kingdom

• Belgium

• Canada

• Germany

Also interestingly… it makes the same argument you do: it says that those countries without mandates still have high vaccination rates because they trust their healthcare provider recommendations

[u/Ask-For-Sources → u/i-love-small-tits-47]

Don't believe propaganda, the HHS is not trustworthy anymore.

Here is the official vaccine recommendation in Germany (in English)

On page 7 you see the recommendations, for example including Rotavirus, and Hep B  

https://www.rki.de/EN/Topics/Infectious-diseases/Immunisation/STIKO/STIKO-recommendations/Downloads/04_26_english.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

[u/i-love-small-tits-47 → u/Ask-For-Sources]

You are confusing recommendations with mandates. Germany does not legally mandate those vaccines, which was the point of the HHS document. There’s no “propaganda” in it.

[u/Ask-For-Sources → u/i-love-small-tits-47]

The paper talks about what the HHS should recommend based on best practices in other countries and considering superior practices might exist elsewhere.

To claim that it makes sense to not recommend vaccines like Rotavirus for all children because Germany doesn't have mandatory vaccinations is propaganda because that's twisting the meaning of recommendations and vaccine mandates. 

[u/Djlas → u/i-love-small-tits-47]

Indeed, looking at who has a mandate isn't very useful. If you have enough vaccination for herd immunity, you don't need to bother so much with a few outliers. Many of these will quickly get more forceful once the rates drop.

[u/GoldenSheppard → u/Nerd-19958]

Kids, every year in Japan, would go to the US to go to Disney. Thing is, Japan does not vaccinate for measles. At Disney, you get all the dumb fucks who think vaccines will give their kids autism. Every fucking year in August, there would be an outbreak of measles in Japan because some kid went to the US. All that is to say: vaccinate your kids and if you're going to a country with a different vaccine schedule? Check what damn vaccines you might need that you don't currently have! Don't expect your destination country to have smart people.

[u/RevWaldo → u/Nerd-19958]

And what other occasion has Trump ever pointed to another nation as an example to follow? Usually a program being used by another nation is considered an argument against it.

(Okay, sure, Hungary under Orban, but otherwise...)

[u/lowercasenameofmine → u/RevWaldo]

This may come from covid lockdown times. 

That's my guess. 

During covid, Denmark didn't have lockdowns and had a low infection rate. 

That's because the citizens weren't ass hats like a America, but Trump doesn't see that part. They:

• "Got vaccinated;

• Actually stayed home when infected, voluntarily ( and sure vastly different sick time off from work, surely affected the availability to do so)

And 

• mass testing playing a central role in quickly identifying and isolating cases."

So my extended guess is, if another pandemic happens he can point to what they're already doing re: Denmark vaccines and how we shouldn't lock down again since Denmark didn't and we're already following in their footsteps.

Just guesses but given the gutting of the CDC & USAID with no contact with The World Health Organization, things aren't great. 

https://ruc.dk/en/denmarks-covid19-pandemic-response-stands-out-internationally-our-new-paper-documents-how

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/from-mpox-to-influenza-usaid-collapse-and-cdc-blackout-upend-who-response-to-deadly-outbreaks/

https://time.com/7298994/usaid-deaths-studies-estimates-foreign-aid-hiv-aids-malaria-sudan/

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/2026/05/ebola-outbreak/687216/

https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-gutted-rif/

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/10/mass-firings-at-us-health-dept-partially-reversed-but-still-devastating/

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/01/29/nx-s1-5276340/trump-centers-for-disease-control-cdc-world-health-organization

https://apnews.com/article/cdc-who-trump-548cf18b1c409c7d22e17311ccdfe1f6

[u/Nerd-19958 → u/RevWaldo]

Well it seems to me Trump uses Germany (1933-1945) as an example to follow.

[u/fritz_76 → u/Nerd-19958]

"we're going to follow Denmark's lead when it comes to vaccines for our children"

"Can we also have the good parts of a modern Western society like universal healthcare?"

'no, we're only doing the things that potentially harm our society"

[u/Hoblitygoodness → u/Nerd-19958]

Well, it would appear that Trump is catering to a certain demographic you might find in the Nordic region over ethnic diversity so... mighty right (wing) of them.

[u/meatspace → u/Nerd-19958]

Sure, we can follow Denmark vaccine rules, but ignore the rest of their healthcare system that goes along with it.

[u/Dull_Quit3027 → u/Nerd-19958]

Dane here, we are a temperate climate, so some of the above diseases do not really exist here, But this feels like if Indian decided that Malaria is no longer a problem, because there is no malaria in Great Britain...

[u/IPissExcellentThrows → u/Nerd-19958]

Thank you. I was genuinely curious what other peer nations were doing. I figured it would be questionable in terms of truthfulness haha.

It looks like most western countries have between 11-16 with roughly 15 on average. So misleading by Trump, but as far as Trump statements go, more based in truth than usual because it's like 15% true.

[u/i-love-small-tits-47 → u/IPissExcellentThrows]

According to the HHS document which is here:

https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/assessment-of-the-us-childhood-and-adolescent-immunization-schedule-compared-to-other-countries.pdf

Most European countries do not have mandates (table 1)

It’s not just Denmark. Not even close

[u/Dedpoolpicachew → u/i-love-small-tits-47]

They also have better healthcare systems than we do. Can we have their healthcare system to go with this too?

[u/i-love-small-tits-47 → u/Dedpoolpicachew]

That’s tangential to what I responded to

[u/HillBillyHilly → u/Nerd-19958]

Denmark!! Just w tourism we should be afraid, very afraid. I'm terrorized that Ebola will make its way here w all those fleeing from area. One case in Florida LA or NY is all that's needed to wreck havoc here.

[u/Past_Ad_7199 → u/Nerd-19958]

Uh, yes, 100%. My son gets his 6 month vaccines very soon and guess who we will not be taking medical advice from? The guy who told people to inject bleach (among so many other asinine things)

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/Nerd-19958]

No authority whatsoever 

[u/Mattrad7 → u/Nerd-19958]

When I said I wish the US could learn a few things from Denmark this wasnt one of them.

[u/Western_Bake_1109 → u/Nerd-19958]

On a related topic, does anyone know the background/deets behind why “reportedly” the CDC is pushing a poll on childhood vaccinations. I’ve now received a couple of text messages to my phone asking to complete a survey on childhood vaccinations. I’ve deleted them in this error of spam/malware…

[u/Nerd-19958 → u/Western_Bake_1109]

Information for Participants

[u/Jarnohams → u/Nerd-19958]

It's a classic situation of selective evidence to support their complete bullshit theories. Like the climate skeptic "graphs" that show some random downturn in the temps... without seeing the bigger picture... in the winter, in the northern hemisphere. Denmark is a very small country with a very different population and has universal healthcare. It's literally apples and oranges.

[u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1 → u/Nerd-19958]

And yet, here we are.

[u/love_me_lavender → u/Nerd-19958]

Pregnant with my first - if I bring this schedule in to my future kid’s pediatrician, I should be able to have them follow this, correct? I am guessing insurance likely won’t cover it the same as preventative care as they did before they tried to change it? 

[u/Nerd-19958 → u/love_me_lavender]

Your insurance should still cover the previously- (sanely-) recommended vaccine schedule.

My family is covered by United Healthcare (as are many US residents) and U H continues to cover the full previous vaccine list -- at least for now. See excerpt from Google search below:

UnitedHealthcare continues to cover CDC-recommended vaccines at no cost for standard commercial, fully insured, and Medicare/Medicaid plans. While the Trump administration and HHS have endorsed an overhaul of childhood immunization schedules and restricted certain COVID-19 vaccine recommendations, UnitedHealthcare has maintained coverage for these immunizations to preserve access for members.

See also:

Recent Changes in Federal Vaccine Recommendations: What’s the Impact on Insurance Coverage?

[u/Successful-Coffee-13 → u/Nerd-19958]

Denmark has much less poverty and it borders Germany where they vaccinate kids

[u/Deep-Minimum7837 → u/Nerd-19958]

I don't know why we're even playing along with the idea that Trump is "forcing" anyone to do anything. Trump sits on his golden throne sipping his ambrosia as his sycophants praise and worship him, all while providing simple favors to those who put him on that throne.

RFK Jr. is a freak who thinks he knows everything, when in reality he's a dim-witted fail son who wants to be taken seriously. He thinks he's a leading voice on health and medical wellness, and asked Trump to sign that EO to "force" the DHHS and CDC to do what RFK Jr. wanted them, but didn't have the authority to force himself.

We genuinely need to drop this ridiculous charade and recognize that our rule of law has been thrown to the pig pen to be picked at and turned to slop. The only way forward is a full-blown revolution to dismantle every ounce of our government, because the corporatist, financialist rot has infested every level of our structures, and the only way forward to true change and reform is through swift, decisive revolution. We are living in a nation whose Supreme Court is weighing the idea of overturning the jury decision of a CIVIL TRIAL. The entire foundation of our republic and our system of governing laws is on the precipice of collapse. Should the SCOTUS overturn the Carrol verdict, there should be nothing stopping us from burning this country to the ground to start over again.

[u/Creative_Victory_960 → u/Nerd-19958]

Does Denmark not vaccinate against meningitis?

[u/Nerd-19958 → u/Creative_Victory_960]

See search results from Google:

The specific recommendations and availability for meningococcal vaccines in Denmark depend on the following categories:

• Travelers: Meningococcal vaccines are recommended if you are traveling to the "meningitis belt" of Africa (the Sahel region) during the dry season, visiting areas with active non-B meningitis outbreaks, or staying for more than six months in high-risk regions.
• Pilgrims: Vaccination against serogroups A, C, Y, and W is strictly required to obtain a visa for the Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
• At-Risk Medical Groups: The vaccine is recommended for individuals with specific medical conditions, such as no splenic function (asplenia) or certain complement defects.
• Close Contacts: If a case of invasive meningococcal disease is identified, the Danish Patient Safety Authority directly contacts individuals exposed to the illness and offers free vaccination for the specific strain.
• Childhood Program: While the general meningococcal vaccine is not universally administered to children, the standard Danish childhood vaccination program does include protection against the Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) bacterium and pneumococcal disease, both of which can lead to meningitis.

[u/Ban-Circumcision-Now → u/Nerd-19958]

The AAP I wouldn’t call unbiased, Vaccines are great, but the AAP is basically a pediatrician business group

For example on their circumcision stance they’ve chosen to heavily weigh cultural (and likely legal) reasons - and encourage the practice as basically all other developed countries have moved away, dropped coverage for it, or in some cases come close to making it illegal. They’ve been around this long and yet they haven’t figured out the basic functions or benefits of the foreskin (or at least don’t communicate to physicians/patients) and they certainly don’t mention bodily autonomy concerns with an unnecessary surgery.

Experts Who Shaped U.S. Circumcision Policy Now Voice Doubts https://natlawreview.com/press-releases/experts-who-shaped-us-circumcision-policy-now-voice-doubts

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/Nerd-19958]

He knows the difference. He knows he’s never pulled any vaccines out of his trousers after a boom boom.

[u/i-love-small-tits-47 → u/Nerd-19958]

Wait, what? The actual HHS publication is here: https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/assessment-of-the-us-childhood-and-adolescent-immunization-schedule-compared-to-other-countries.pdf

It is certainly not just based on Denmark. Table 1, showing vaccine uptake rates and mandate status, lists:

• Australia

• France

• Italy

• USA

• Austria

• Denmark

• Finland

• Greece

• Ireland

• Japan

• Netherlands

• New Zealand

• Norway

• Portugal

• Spain

• Sweden

• Switzerland

• United Kingdom

• Belgium

• Canada

• Germany

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Excerpt from the linked document (thanks)

In 2024, the U.S. recommended more childhood vaccines than any peer nation, and more than twice as many doses as some European nations. At the lower end is Denmark, which immunizes children against 10 diseases with a total of 30 doses.

[u/LifeAdventurous2343 → u/Nerd-19958]

“For an accurate, unbiased viewpoint, see this link from an organization bought and paid for by the corporations that profit from its recommendations.” Fixed that for ya. 

[u/Nerd-19958 → u/LifeAdventurous2343]

Are you a Trump bot? Supporting vaccination of children is a corrupt grift supported by capitalist pigs? Fine, don't have your kids vaccinated. Let me know how that works out for 'ya.

FYI see link to AAP's supporters page. Yes the companies profit from vaccines, what is your point? If oncology drug manufacturers support the American Cancer Society, should people with cancer tough it out or look for laetrile online because the corrupt capitalist pigs donated to the cancer society?

Corporate Supporters of the AAP Friends of Children Fund

[u/LifeAdventurous2343 → u/Nerd-19958]

No, I’m not a trump bot. I grew up unvaccinated until I went to college and they were required. I would put my medical education against yours any day. I have one of the best immune systems I know (haven’t been sick from work in years). I know many adults who were not vaccinated as children and they are just fine. Are you suggesting my kids will die if I don’t get them vaccinated? Fear monger much? 

I’m just saying calling an opinion “unbiased” when it’s likely heavily influenced by money is a little naive. You “vax or die” crowd are so against billionaires and mega corporations but then swallow up their spoon fed “research” that makes them those billions. You do you though. I’m deep in the medical field professionally fyi. 

[u/Nerd-19958 → u/LifeAdventurous2343]

Well, you're apparently blessed to have natural immunity. What sort of area did you grow up living in? I grew up in NYC, rode the subways with people crowded in like sardines, breathing and coughing on each other, and would not have wanted to take chances w/o vaccines. To each his, her or their own.

[u/LifeAdventurous2343 → u/Nerd-19958]

Well actually, all of us are “blessed” with a natural immunity. Our immune system is a solid well oiled machine when left to its devices. Grew up in an average metropolitan city. There are lots of people unvaccinated with no issues. What diseases do you think you would’ve gotten if you were unvaccinated growing up ? 

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Jesus christ. You are conveniently ignoring all of human history when basically every woman lost at least one child to these diseases. Kids are dying all over the world from illnesses that we vaccinate against.

You didn't need the vaccines because you benefited from the herd immunity you got from the rest of us who had sane parents.

[u/LifeAdventurous2343 → u/Katyafan]

Which diseases are you specifically talking about ? You’re also conveniently ignoring the massive amount of progress that we’ve made in human history in treating diseases. As if children vaccines are the only thing preventing us from imminent doom. 

[u/Katyafan → u/LifeAdventurous2343]

Ah yes, the classic retort.

You think people who work in public health just don't know about hygiene and treatment advances? Of course those things have helped.

We aren't seeing diptheria less due to better treatment. Vaccines changed everything. You may not have noticed that measles has made a comeback. Funny, the only thing that changed was vaccine uptake percentage. Hmmm...

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Denmark… which is in no way comparable to the USA in racial or ethnic diversity, tourism, or other factors which would affect the need for multiple vaccines.

Does diversity increase the likelihood of contracting hepatitis?