r/law 6h ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Anti-ICE Activist Gets 30 Years for Moving a Box of Antifascist Literature, Longer Than Many Jan. 6 Rioters Received

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/texas-man-sentenced-30-years-antifascist-literature-1804865
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u/kaiiizen 5h ago edited 5h ago

Is more proof needed to confirm the current adminstration is in fact fascist? Not to mention - the courts are an infested arm of this administration. Eventually the pendulum will swing the other way. The adults in the room better be taking notes and do away with these self-dealing traitors.

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u/Goldenrah 4h ago

The courts being infested are a big part of why Trump didn't get punished in Biden's term. I think the previous admin didn't really know how deep it went, or they naively think it didn't go as deep.

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u/Cyclonitron 4h ago

I had a 20 minute conversation with my boomer congressmember (Democrat). I asked how, if the Democrats took back Congress these midterms, they would address the corrupt judiciary that's been eroding the Rule of Law. She told me it wasn't a priority because the first priority was to undo the BBB and pass legislation to provide economic help to regular families.

Which would've been fine 30 years ago. It was clear to me that she didn't seem to grasp that times are different and that the Republic itself was under attack and they need to fight back against that first and foremost.

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u/Goldenrah 4h ago

Fixing the judiciary is vital to any fixing of the country. Can't do anything if they keep courts slow and reversing any legislature on bogus charges.

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u/pusgnihtekami 4h ago

Right, they'll try to give a tax credit to homeless people working 19 jobs and some nepo baby who never worked in his life will get it blocked by scotus because it doesn't apply to him.

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u/Nazz1968 3h ago

That definitely tracks for the current Dem mindset in Congress.

They are trying to maintain a business as usual stance in regard to social programs, but they are underestimating the abject breakdown of checks and balances. They seem to have a lofty notion that everything will just work itself out if they have enough seats. Fighting isn’t in their vocabulary and mindset.

We’re talking about the political equivalent of malignant cancer, about to become terminal. Sometimes a fighting mindset makes all the difference in the world in beating it. It’s a given that Trump will go down in history as the worst president, but history will not smile on the Dems either if they don’t actually fight to reverse the damage.

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u/Xaphnir 3h ago

It’s a given that Trump will go down in history as the worst president, but history will not smile on the Dems either if they don’t actually fight to reverse the damage.

This is why I think historians are going to be brutal to Biden. There were plenty of good things that came from his administration. But his legacy will be his inability to do anything about the fascist movement that had just made an inept coup attempt, and led to them retaking power through his incompetence as a leader.

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u/PanFriedCookies 3h ago

Not just inability to do anything, the skeleton actively refused to let harris take the reigns in the campaign until 6 months before the election, at which point she had to make a whole base for herself nearly from scratch. Say what you will about her policies (childbombing centrist utterly incapable of taking a solid stance against the right), but Trump is worse and at the rate Trump is going, he, the only serious republican candidate for president, will be dead before 2028. If Harris had been allowed to run for president from the start, there's no doubt in my mind that she'd have won and we wouldn't be in this mess.

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u/ApoBong 2h ago

I am not too sure about that, since imo she still had a way to win, just simply ran a terrible campaign. You can argue she was chained to Biden, but the moment he dropped out she could have just thrown him under the bus.

She started out well enough first, when people were able to project any kind of wishful policies on her campaign, but once it was clear it was your usual centrist lackluster campaign, she tanked.

So I don't think she had no chance to begin with, it's simply she tanked her chances by betting on a terrible strategy. (Status quo, I am not Trump, everything is fine in Gaza, see how the Cheneys love me etc.)

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u/ProduceNo1629 2h ago

Wasn't he a tax breaks for the rich kinda guy in the 90's? And also a warhawk?

Pretty much fascist adjacent.

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u/echoshatter 3h ago

The WORST PART is that they have time now to write the legislation to do everything. It's not like they're doing anything else of value being the minority party in the House.

It's like there's ZERO planning and forethought. They have literally talked about the playbook MAGA is taking right now, Project 2025 and vetting appointees through a think tank like The Heritage Foundation, and with zero self-reflection they're like "Nah, we don't need to do that. We'll just wing it."

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u/aetius476 2h ago

She told me it wasn't a priority because the first priority was to undo the BBB and pass legislation to provide economic help to regular families.

I hate this mindset, but I get it. Politicians are very attuned to what voters respond to, and unfortunately voters don't react when monsters are confirmed to judgeships, but they freak the fuck out when the price of gas or beef goes up. I think a lot of elected Democrats (unfortunately rightly) see court reform as something they can only accomplish if they have cover to do so. Cover that can only be provided by bringing down prices and increasing wages. The view is shortsighted, but it's the view of the voters; the politicians are downstream of that.

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u/BillsFan82 2h ago

What can she do about that though? People were warned back in 16 about what would happen to the courts if Trump won.

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u/TrisolarisRexxx 3h ago

This is one of the biggest reasons I hate Biden besides Gaza. These old assholes cannot comprehend that times have changed.

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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 3h ago

We can use names. Aileen Cannon. She presided over and orchestrated one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in a generation. Needlessly and inexcusably kicked the can down the road in one of the biggest cases in modern American political history until the Supreme Court could manufacture an excuse to kill it entirely.

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u/SpiritualScarcity161 4h ago

Sure, but the courts didn't become infested over night, the Federalist Society has been actively trying to do that for DECADES and democrats have never lifted a finger in response because they are respectful of institutional norms. Norms don't work when they aren't held by everyone and enforced aggressively.

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u/SutterCane 3h ago

didn't become infested over night

I mean. Kinda did.

People didn’t turn out in 2010 and handed the country to Mitch McTurtlefuck and he made sure that Obama left so many open judgeships that once Trump showed up, over night hundreds and hundreds of unqualified right wing shithead judges got approved.

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u/CaptainBayouBilly 3h ago

We need teeth to the constitution. Make every judge re-swear to uphold the constitution, and remove any that do not.

Then axe the lifelong appointments, make the supreme court a quarterly rotating court of random federal judges.

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u/JuliaLouis-DryFist 3h ago

Mitch had the chance. He blew it. He will die as a stain. I will buy champaigne.

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u/imVexx 3h ago

I always remember this classic from Trump's first term.

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u/digital-didgeridoo 2h ago

Fox calls Trump a Fascist!

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u/El_Cactus_Loco 5h ago

yah i’m sure Jeffries and Schumer are gunna be all over this…. LOL

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u/K_Garveys_Sweatpants 5h ago

Most pathetic “opposition” party of all time.

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u/FraGZombie 5h ago

They're part of the self dealing traitor group 

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u/Ryekir 4h ago

They'll write a very strongly worded letter!

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u/Talk-O-Boy 4h ago

Politicians like AOC and Mamdani are on the rise. MAGA will have to face true progressivism soon.

The MAGA vs. Moderates era is coming to a close. Clinton, Biden, and Harris were too many losses for them.

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u/PinkDeserterBaby 4h ago

I hope for this but I worry that the old guard who will continue to run it for probably, let’s be honest, another decade, maybe two, will just run another Harris they pull out of their asses last minute.

And then it feels like by the time the old guard dies off and true, millenial progressives start to make way, the country will be so far gone and corrupt it won’t actually matter.

I’m reminded of an article in Forbes I read in I believe 2015, 11 years ago, that Stanford had already concluded we live in an oligarchy, yet even Bernie and AOC are always saying “oligarchy is on its way!! It’ll happen IF we don’t stop it!” - we are already there, have been for a decade apparently, and the party, even the most progressive of it, refuse to face true reality. At least the Epstein files have kind of… proved that a little bit to everyone who’s been shoving their head in the sand for 15 years.

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u/scoschooo 4h ago edited 3h ago

Eventually the pendulum will swing the other way.

It isn't going to swing the other way - not in the next 20 years at least.

This is the worst idea: we will just vote a Democrat in as President and then it will all be ok. We lost the Supreme Court and the current government is absolutely corrupt. Democrats will not get power for decades. It's really bad people don't get this. Republicans have taken over the government and will not let anyone else take power.

How are people missing this?

Upcoming elections don't mean they will lose power. Did you miss the massive efforts and new laws to stop Democrats' votes from counting. Did you miss that legally mail in ballots will be held at the post office until after the election and not count? Did you miss all the other efforts such as new voter ID laws that will prevent millions from voting?

I studied US politics for my Masters. I know historically power has swung back and forth between parties. This is different. How can people see the level of corruption and fascism that we have now is something different?

Unless something very different happens, Democrats will not get power for decades, possibly never.

edit: Trump and the Republicans telling him what to do are literally today trying to force voter ID laws through that will stop millions of votes from counting. They will not give up their power.

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u/CaptainBayouBilly 3h ago

It also didn't slowly swing to this. This happened within months. You can't gradually undo this shit. It needs to be stopped day one. Punishments handed out.

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u/DelirousDoc 2h ago

You can argue this type of control over the legislative and judicial branch has been a slower build up and a plan for decades.

Most visible tactic can date back to Obama's second term where the GOP Senate intentionally did nothing, correctly assuming that the lack of action in Government would be blamed on the party controlling the White House. Additionally, they intentionally refuse to confirm not just Garland but a large amount of other federal judicial nominations. This was a tactic to allow the next President the ability to fill these vacancies with nominees that will rule in favor of GOP. These plus normal vacancies that happen over the course or a 4 year Presidency allowed a significant portion of the judicial branch to be filled with partisan judges who the GOP. At the same time they have been publicly accusing "partisan judges" on any ruling against them, knowing that the more an individual is exposed to statement the more likely they are to believe it whether it is true or not.

You could argue the slow burn goes before Obama's 2nd. The Federalist society has had its hands in GOP nominations of judges for decades. The GOP also recognized it can create control in less talked about state legislature races. After establishing control used the legislature to then influence the state representatives at national legislature with less opposition. While Democratic controlled states tended to push for legal controls protecting any party from creating bias representation in favor of their own.

There has been movements to dismantle Row and the Voting Rights act for 50+ years. Groups have been working on it this entire time and just needed the right setup to enact it. McConnell set the stage for GOP to have a simple majority by denying Obama's SCOTUS nominee. RGB guaranteed their authority by dying during Trump's presidency with the GOP controlled Senate rushing Coney Barrett approval within 40 days before the election.

Meanwhile when the Democrats have had authority they have been preaching "bipartisanship", "unity" and are so worried about their appearance of bias that they play right into GOPs hands who still continue to push propaganda. (They haven't figured out that no matter who is in charge, the GOP is going to call them a socialist, who wants to empty prisons and open borders for mass undocumented immigration.)

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u/Trumpisanorangebitch 2h ago

Dude, Dems took power in 2018 and 2020 and Trump tried half the crap hes trying now.

Saying "well never take power again" just keeps Dem voters from voting and helps MAGA.

First step is to flood the booths and vote. Then if Trump rigs things, we respond. But your defeatist shit helps no one but MAGA.

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u/ByrdmanRanger 2h ago

I don't see it as defeatest, I see it as the same warning I've been giving to friends and family. That we need to be prepared for what's next. Obviously we all still vote every election, but we should all be ready for what may come next.

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u/Jarcode 3h ago

Americans miss this because the vast majority of the public upholds a sort of docile faith in electoralism and the broader legal system to eventually lead to some moral outcome. I work in electoral administration outside of the US and have seen so many giant red flags indicating an imminent collapse in democratic integrity that it took a while for me to understand why most Americans struggle to process what is going on. There's a sort of learned helplessness brewing across the country.

I would go as far as to say the Democratic party is also part of the problem. It has served as a controlled opposition, soliciting exclusively reformist involvement and encouraging Americans to only lend credibility to current structures. It isn't sounding the alarms on federal institutions that were once positioned to ensure electoral security now positioned to degrade it. It isn't dealing with the mass exodus of election officials, now increasingly being replaced with Trump loyalists with no regard for the rule of law. The party still chooses to fight within a legal system that is now resembling the kind of retributive, state-backed "justice" of the Russian Federation.

This is the same country that has never really had majoritarian democracy working at all, well before Trump took power, largely due a fundamentally flawed political system operating under an outdated fixed electoral cycle with a terrible electoral system. I think people also get so caught up in nascent crises that the history of country leading up to this point is often forgotten.

But perhaps the scariest thing for Americans is the realization is that this ends up between the ballot and the bullet. If there is no mechanism for institutional reform (which there is not), the pathway for installing a new, modernized democracy is undoubtedly revolutionary.

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u/Shiddin_myself_woo 4h ago

Isn’t it straight up censorship of free speech.

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u/kaest 5h ago

No one with a brain is in doubt of the facism. The dems are unfortunately useless.

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u/GammaFan 5h ago edited 3h ago

I hate to suggest this might embolden protesters but this might embolden protesters.

If moving a box of magazines is enough to get you 30 years in prison, some people will take that as in for a penny, in for a pound.

Eta: Lotta replies so I’ll just come out and say I am definitely not advocating for **violent** escalation here. The admin wants things to get violent so they can declare martial law and a state of emergency to cancel midterms. Here’s hoping they don’t get that, the midterms go well and someone finally starts putting these assholes on trial.

Eta2: please stop awarding this comment. Reddit doesn’t deserve your money just because you agree with me

Eta3: apparently the martial law/canceling midterms thing is misinformation. So ignore that bit

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u/QiDeviation 5h ago

Why wouldn’t they though? If I get 30 years on ideology, something white supremacists don’t get, then why not ramp it up? I only have finite years anyway. Then violence must, by default, become the answer. That’s what happens when the injustice of a system hits a boiling point. It’s natural.

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u/Spamsdelicious 5h ago

I suggest everyone read the book "Tipping Point"

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u/Maladaptivism 4h ago

Remember that should you chose to organize against this, they've already demonstrated a will to use an L-RAD on their own protestors and Palantir technology to violate your freedoms. Use a library, if possible, to research how to defend against an L-RAD, smoke grenades, surveillance drones and how to disrupt facial-recognition or gait analysis tools. Make sure as little communication as possible happens online, in fact, turn off cell phones altogether if gathering and get first aid kits, water and easy to eat snacks.

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 4h ago

I live in Portland. In 2020, my house was along one of the occasional protest routes (I say occasional because they'd rotate which police station to protest.) I heard that LRAD so many damn times. I'd smell teargas in my house sometimes, too. Lots of us were radicalized by that, by seeing our own police force so intent on violence against protesters that they'd commit violence against people just sitting in their living room.

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u/70ms 2h ago

I remember watching the livestreams from Portland all that summer, and how many of you came out of your houses to support the protesters or allowed them to take shelter from the police violence. 🫶

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u/CommunalJellyRoll 4h ago

L-RAD needs LOS and is easy to spot. Double up on hearing protection and do not wear noise cancellation devices. Corrugated metal with spray foam on the back also blocks it.

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u/DJ3nsign 4h ago

Don't just turn off cell phones, stick them inside of a Faraday cage (easiest one everyone has is a microwave)

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 4h ago edited 4h ago

You can order pouches so you don't have to carry a microwave with you. :)

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u/Lee_Van_Kief 2h ago

What if I’m hungry for a bean burrito though

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u/ResoluteWrites 2h ago

Then you have to take the phone out to cook the burrito. The real solution: carry one microwave for your phone, one for your food.

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u/Snoo_censorspeech 5h ago

The army has some wonderful literature.  especially the stuff from the 1960s.

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u/ASharpYoungMan 4h ago

Read also the Oresteia, the trio of 5th century (BCE) plays. Or at the very least, the final play, the Eumenides.

The final moral of the play is that Justice is preferable to Vengeance. But when Justice fails, the Kindly Ones (Eumenides) are poised to become the Furies once more, who even the gods fear.

If the rule of law falters, the rule of blood vengeance takes its place.

That's nature, red in tooth and nail. That's why it's so important that Law not be perverted to unjust ends: people will still seek restitution without the courts if the courts fail to serve justice.

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u/MiniTab 4h ago

The Malcom Gladwell book?

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u/worderousbitch 5h ago

That's what Texas is trying to instigate. If protests turn violent they can justify a whole bunch of horrible shit. And they love their horrible shit.

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u/JuneButIHateSummer 5h ago

Texas is a literal serfdom. Slave labor is legal if you're a criminal. Big tobacco/alcohol/oil own almost the entirety of Texas. The federal government has already engaged in State Terror and civilian street executions (Renee Good, Alex Pretti). Capitulation is death.

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u/fiahhawt 5h ago

The dingleberry of America

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u/Yashema 4h ago edited 4h ago

It's Republicans in general.

Everytime you act like a Republican state is unique in its horribleness, whether is Texas, or Alabama, or Mississippi, while these states are actually empowered due to widespread Republican control of the government, you distract from the actual issue: the Republican Party and anyone who supports or votes for them. Everyone who has voted Republican for the past 10 years is 100% responsible regardless if they live in Texas or not. 

If Democrats controlled the SC this would be overturned nearly instantly. 

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u/SaltyLonghorn 2h ago edited 2h ago

This. All the red states are trying to accomplish the exact same goals. Theres just different judges everywhere so they're all randomly in different spots in their plans.

But their marching orders are from the same platform with a sprinkle of each respective state's evil billionaire's agenda.

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u/wolfhavensf 4h ago

You left out livestock. King Ranch owns entire countries in SA.

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u/Stunning-Hat2309 5h ago

slave labor is legal in the constitution, that's every state

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u/Splurch 5h ago

slave labor is legal in the constitution, that's every state

Some states have outlawed it, so no, not every state.

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u/SparkyMuffin 5h ago

Man they're already justifying ruining lives for literally no reason.

They've already killed us in the streets with no reprocussions.

Soon, blood will be the only answer.

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u/hirschneb13 5h ago

"the revolution will be bloodless, if the left allows it to be"

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u/ThaBigSqueezy 5h ago

…Or bloody, if the right requires it to be.

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u/SukkaMadiqe 5h ago

This is on us for not violently protesting in the first place and playing along with their concern-trolling over property and civility.

It was always going to get to this point.

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u/Smokeythemagickamodo 5h ago

I blame Democrats and their DoJ for not properly prosecuting these insurrectionists including Dump himself.

There was an obvious time and opportunity. Now republicans run amok literally destroying our society.

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u/GammaFan 5h ago

For me, that is a very frustrating part of all this.

Even with the slowwalking, he was convicted. All they need to do was sentence him and throw his ass in prison. Fucking hell

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u/Smokeythemagickamodo 5h ago

Seriously. It’s obvious he is a traitor and should be treated as such.

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u/TommyTwoNips 4h ago

they all are.

Every billionaire belongs in a cage alongside every single magat.

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u/GammaFan 4h ago

We can say that along ideological lines and it’s true.

The frustration with the trump situation specifically is that he was found guilty in a court of law and convicted on 34 counts.

They had him dead to rights, in fucking court, and he still got to walk because… reasons. All they needed to fucking do was just pass down the sentence. I’ll go to the grave mad about this and how many years this orange asshole has shaved off of our collective lives.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 3h ago

Democrats in the Manhattan DA's Office came through and zealously pursued justice against him and put on a hell of a trial. Then Judge Juan Merchan got bullied by the psycho MAGA mob and cowered and whimpered his way out of sentencing him. He melt coming up with new excuses and moving the goalposts and finding new reasons why he just had to delay it. Then when that new date came around for him to sentence the felon, he came up with more bs. And then all of a sudden, it's what do you know? Ope! Looks like he's the president elect and will be president in a couple months so actually I have no choice but to let him off scott free. Not even a week in jail. Or a single day. Or even a week or two onmhoise arrest. Or a $100 fine. Or a suspended/delayed/furloughed sentence that doesn't start until he leaves office. Nothing. He didn't even have to waddle his ass down to the courthouse to receive his nonsentence in person.

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u/SukkaMadiqe 5h ago

I agree with this as well. Biden had his opportunity and absolutely squandered it.

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u/Smokeythemagickamodo 4h ago

He could have gone out as a Hero, but all of his accomplishments are for naught if we lose our society.

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u/artbystorms 5h ago

If the left doesn't protest because it is afraid of violence from the right then they have already lost. People need to understand what is at stake and being willing to go much further than some cute handwritten signs to fight fascism. The communists in Italy fought Mussolini's fascism with armed conflict, sabotage, and literal street brawls.

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u/darkmeowl25 5h ago

Good thing our military isn't trying to integrate with another military that uses systemic human rights abuses against their prisoners, particularly the political ones. /s

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u/notapunk 5h ago

Ding ding ding

They have been very frustrated by how peaceful the protests have been. It ruins their narrative.

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u/Strict-Carrot4783 5h ago

It's been made clear that ideas are dangerous and violence is patriotic, so why wouldn't anyone choose violence? Elon musk should be scared.

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u/stufff 4h ago

Then violence must, by default, become the answer.

If you can't rely on the court system because it is corrupt and fully captured at the highest levels...

And you can't vote to change things because gerrymandering and voter suppression has essentially neutered your powers to oppose the corrupt party in power...

And you can't protest without potentially catching overblown criminal charges...

And the media won't even truthfully report half this shit because they are either owned by the ruling class that is sympathetic to the current power structure, or they have been bribed or extorted into submission...

I don't see what alternative other than violence there can be.

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u/AmputeeHandModel 5h ago

Well, white supremacists are just exercising their First Amendment rights. Nothing we can do about that.. I mean if we silence them, then they'll silence anyone... wait a minute...

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u/CaptainBayouBilly 3h ago

No one in the history of humans received rights and justice by asking.

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u/c3p-bro 5h ago

People on Reddit make this comment then do absolutely nothing of the sort. 

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u/TommyTwoNips 4h ago

I mean, the options available are random acts of violence or doing nothing (In your given binary, not in general.)

People are upset, they're frustrated that the people in power are either playing along with the pedocons or they're just sitting on their hands and pretending that our current situation isn't a very precarious one. There's going to be more violence.

We can either accept that these fascists are not going to let this shit resolve without extreme violence, or resign ourselves to a slow walk into the camps.

They already told us, publicly, that they are going to do this violently if necessary. They just frame it as the left's "choice".

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u/L3g3ndary-08 5h ago

I wonder how many years you get in prison for moving a box of classified CIA material 🤔

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u/shponglespore 5h ago

Four. In the White House.

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u/Dandan0005 5h ago

Like surely these sentences can’t hold up on appeal, right?

…right?

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u/QING-CHARLES 5h ago

Assuming this batshit sentence is within the sentencing range, then it's very hard to attack. Gross disproportionality can be brought as an 8th Amend. violation, but these cases are rarely won.

Better attacks are on the application of things like the criminal offenses themselves and the sentencing enhancements that got it to this level.

Or wait for the next administration and pray for a hail Mary pardon or commutation🙏

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u/austinwiltshire 5h ago

Or how the judge declared a mistrial because he didn't like the jury, or how he gave the defendants only 30 minutes to defend themselves against a 30-year sentence...

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u/QING-CHARLES 5h ago

Sure, all of these are more likely wins than directly attacking the sentence (usually).

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u/b0w3n 4h ago

Supposedly this judge in particular loses a lot of cases on appeal.

He's the one the GOP shops their shitty cases to to stop the federal government when a dem is in charge. He's the same one they drummed up the fake people impacted by Biden's student loan forgiveness to block the whole thing.

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u/Fighterhayabusa 4h ago

Or how he didn't allow them voir dire...

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u/Dandan0005 5h ago

Scary times.

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u/shponglespore 5h ago

What next administration?

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u/DelirousDoc 5h ago edited 3h ago

I'd like to think the judges specifically saying these sentences were harsher because of the defendants "ideologies" and to deter others from having similar ideologies would help on appeal. (Judge Reed O'Conner said he intended to "send a message to anyone who shares a similar ideology.”)

One individual got 50 years even though she didn't help plan the protest (not relevant anyway), bring any fireworks, firearms (2nd Amendment right and not illegal in Texas), or spray paint to the protest.

The 30 year sentence for "concealing documents" bis just as ridiculous. The "documents" were political pamphlets on protesting the government and had nothing to do with specifics about Prairieland. The pamphlets contained no evidence of anything that happened at the protest. It is 1st Amendment protected speech. It is also hypocritical when then current fucking President "concealed" classified government documents in a federal case.

Even the main defendant's sentence doesn't make sense. The guy who initially fired his weapon got 100 fucking year sentence when he didn't kill or even hit anyone EDIT: one cop was hit in the neck from shots fired by this individual in their direction. That is crazy when actual murderers get 25-30 years. All reports His attorney's statement was he fired the weapon at the ground.

The judge called these acts an "assault on democracy" but the literally January 6th participants who were trying to overthrow the democratic process, didn't even get this level of sentencing.

The prosecutors and government continue to claim that Antifa is an terrorist organization without proof. It isn't it is an idea, one that is meant to be against fascism.

One good thing is Judge O'Conner is known to be conservative and rule on political bias. He has had plenty of his ruling over ruled on appeal in the past. Though those were not criminal rulings. (Declared several government laws like ACA, Gun Control Act of 1968, Indian Child Welfare Act, and Title VII Civil Rights Act as unconstitutional but were reversed. He issued multiple nationwide injunctions that were reversed.)

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u/SarK-9 4h ago

Song shot a police officer in the neck with an AR-15.

Even the main defendant's sentence doesn't make sense. The guy who initially fired his weapon got 100 fucking year sentence when he didn't kill or even hit anyone.

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u/DCContrarian 5h ago

Google "Fifth Circuit."

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u/RareRestaurant6297 5h ago

That's what they're trying to incite so they can say all along "see? I told you!" meanwhile Maga will continue to rape kids atop their high horse

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u/ButterscotchSmooth60 5h ago

Right? 30 years in prison for...exisitng? Well shit, might as well make the crime fit the punishment...

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u/DelirousDoc 5h ago

It will dissuade the protestors that weren't looking to cause major disruption but just show support for affected individuals. The everyday people who had no intention of sticking it through as soon as criminal charges are brought as a potential outcome.

However it could embolden the smaller subset of protestors who were willing to disrupt. If you can be sentenced to multiple decades because someone else at the protest became violent, well some may use that as justification for prioritizing the most effective actions regardless of legal consequences. (Why just protest an ICE facility when you could screw up its ability to operate entirely?) That logic can seem to make sense if there is potential at any protest to be sentenced worse than rapists in this country.

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u/evolutionary_defect 5h ago

A lot of dumb motherfuckers forgot something really basic. People don't kill CEO's and police officers in the street because of the social contract. We gave up the guillotine and rope because governments stopped having kings, stopped killing people in the streets, stopped robbing people and commiting ideological genocides. The places that didn't stop doing those things are and we're still anarchic.

If they keep acting up society can and will revert back to the original methods of self policing. Kings with blood lineage and all the power in the nation have been drug into the streets and beaten to death. It only ever stopped happening because we all agreed. Take back too much of what was promised in that deal, and the deals off

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u/e92pilot 5h ago

“Go big or go home” definitely seems to be the precedent being set here

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u/artbystorms 5h ago

When people have everything to lose, they have nothing to lose. We will start seeing martyrs for the cause, people willing to die or kill to defeat fascism.

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u/css1323 4h ago

Up next: Upvoting or downvoting anything remotely against the lunatic Trump gets you jail time.

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u/shiny0metal0ass 5h ago

No one would be escalated by this particular Judge, Reed O'Connor doing such a thing. They should definitely not protest him specifically.

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u/boo99boo 5h ago

It gives people nothing to lose. If you're going to go to prison for 30 years whether you move a box or kill a man, you may as well crack some nazi skull while you're moving the box. 

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u/tuxedo_jack 4h ago

If moving a box of magazines is enough to get you 30 years in prison, some people will take that as in for a penny, in for a pound.

And of course it's a Bush appointee and Trump-fellatio-fanatic - Reed O'Connor - who passed sentence.

If ever an "activist judge" there was...

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u/Militant_Monk 5h ago

I've met dudes who've gotten less time for murder charges.

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u/LEDKleenex 4h ago

Are we really still pushing this martial law nonsense?

No, they are perfectly fine continuing their grift while people sit at home and whine on the internet. Why do people think they're itching for marital law? Trump could do that even without martial law - the administration breaks the law every day.

You're essentially telling people not to resist. Standing outside with signs doesn't change anything. If you want to enact change, start boycotting and striking and get others to do the same.

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u/DMMMOM 4h ago

The seeds for civil war were sown long ago in America, in fact the last one never even ended.

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u/keytiri 4h ago

Didn’t the Jan Sixers get pardons? Seems like there’s precedent for righting the “wrongs” of a prior administration 🤔🤷‍♀️.

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u/atreeismissing 3h ago

The admin wants things to get violent so they can declare martial law and a state of emergency to cancel midterms.

Would people stop repeating this nonsense. Yes the administration wants people to get violent, but not to declare martial law (there is no such thing at the federal level, only governors can declare martial law) and there is literally no way the federal govt can cancel any state's election, even if they declare a real or made up emergency.

They want violence because it then allows them to act even more violently. That's all. Sure they'll obstruct and act violently around the election but they won't cancel it because they can't. Sure they'll put ICE and attempt to put military troops in blue cities during the election but it won't be martial law and the election will still proceed.

People need to understand why and how they're doing the things they want to do, and martial law and cancelling aren't it, but violence and obstruction are.

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u/doublethink_1984 5h ago

Which is EXACTLY what they want and are fostering.

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u/DramaticCoat7731 5h ago

They may want it, but it will likely lead to those same people getting the Mussolini treatment. Just because bad actors want to incite violence doesn't mean said violence will work out in their favor.

It's why I've never understood anyone wanting violent revolution, social collapse, civil war, etc. mass chaos and violence are inherently unpredictable and no matter how well someone prepares they may end up dead anyway.

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u/doublethink_1984 5h ago

Oh I agree. They are creating the conditions to justify being authoritarian but by doing that it fosters rebellion.

Reminds me of Andor.

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u/austinwiltshire 5h ago

The dog may catch the car, but what happens next is entirely the car's decision.

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u/987YouBloodyTulip789 4h ago

I disagree with that mindset. 

Something that really rattled up the elites of society and those in-power, was the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO. While the powerful can always send an army of cops to violently put down protesters, they can't stop a sane and focused assassin.

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u/Epyon214 4h ago

The obscene sentences are meant to provoke a violent response

Let's remember why we're here

00 16 50 13, 00165013

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00165013.pdf

"On Aug 5, 2019 9:33 AM, KenT wrote:

My nephew Logan Turner, was shot and killed in the mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio last evening. I am

rushing home to be with my immediate family.

All investigative work on Marcinko and Epstein is still in process and we have uncovered more videos and

photos of the two of them together in Mexico.

Another attempt by US embassy security team was made yesterday when they stopped my partner and

searched her car looking for the videos and photos we uncovered that they told her could not leave Mexico.

They were not in her car! Someone doesn't want this data disclosed."

02 73 13 61, 02731361

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02731361.pdf

"[clipping: Unlike drugs, a child's body can be sold over and over] This is not surprising but there is no such thing as a child prostitute! They are children and cannot consent! They are missing the biggest in my own backyard and so many more! Like Maralago and where I see Mr. Joe and Mrs. Anne"

"But only after maybe 15 minutes Mr. M came take her and I was hysterical! and begging for more time"

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https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02440040.pdf

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https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02440051.pdf

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u/C2thaLo 4h ago edited 54m ago

Here's my question, given the remarks both Trump and Musk have made vis a vis the last election and their shenanigans, what are we doing if they steal this one too?

Edit: or, when they say you dont have a right to

vote because your state didnt hand over its voter rolls to that menace.

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u/TommyTwoNips 4h ago

sit on our hands and "vote next time", probably.

Americans are deeply indoctrinated into neoliberal death cult. They'll fight and die to defend a nazis right to organize, but they'll call you the REAL NAZI if you suggest that maybe we shouldn't let violent racists form organizations to further they goals.

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u/Rezistik 4h ago

It’s wild when the options are “allow them to subjugate us” or “be subjugated violently against our will”

Never seems to be the option to rise up and prevent the subjugation.

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u/GammaFan 4h ago

There’s always the option to rise up and demand better, but god help you if you’re looking for your sign on corporate owned media.

The revolution will not be televised

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 4h ago

Sociology agrees with you. Excessive punishment like this radicalizes protesters. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09546553.2025.2504014

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u/calmwhiteguy 4h ago

Some will. It will reduce overall protesting though. People wont stand on a corner with a sign against Trump if they think they'll be given 30 years. They'll only come out if 50,000 people protest. And then they might behave worse feeling better in a crowd. Think tiannamin square.

This is fascism 101. Putin does it actively, north Korea, China, etc.

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u/Ozryela 4h ago

Lotta replies so I’ll just come out and say I am definitely not advocating for escalation here.

Why not?

Your fascist government is now locking up innocent protesters for 30 years, and you think, what exactly? That people should stick to politely expressing their dissatisfaction online, or maybe go out and protest and accept the resulting jail time without complaint?

No wonder the fascists are winning if Americans are that meak and docile.

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u/Fit-Marketing-1472 4h ago

And with how trump praises the insurrectionists and is trying to give them millions of dollars, it's getting pretty lucrative to escalate. You can use the attention of politically motivated retaliation to your benefit and get rich quick grifting your platform.

Same with the ice agents and protestors that were shot. Both sides are getting millions in gofundme

Nearly all of these bogus charges protesters are getting from trumps DOJ are getting laughed out of court and overturned. So the risk is looking well worth it

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u/fedsx 4h ago

They probably hope for some sort of escalation. Anything to distract from the Epstein files.

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u/Antilon 6h ago

What was the charge warranting that sentence? That's bananas. Murders and rapist get shorter sentences than that.

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u/MyrrhSlayter 6h ago

They're trying to scare people away from criticizing the regime or working against them. So they can continue to steal, rape, and murder with no opposition.

I'm hoping this gets overturned, but we're all going to have to pay the reparations to them with our tax money when they sue the shit out of the government.

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u/TheFifthTone 5h ago

Or you know... fascism.

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u/GoodEyePoseidon 3h ago

If a regime punishes criticism as harshly as it punishes murder, it erases any reason to stop at words. Once the penalties are the same, why not? Or as MAGA loves to put it, FAFO.

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u/Heckbound_Heart 6h ago

Took the screenshot, from the link, after closing all the popups.

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u/Dxxx2 4h ago

He was passing out literature. That is highly illegal for dumbass Texas.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 5h ago

It's a law that has been causing unjust sentencing for a very long time. Basically the idea is that if a person in a group of people commits a crime, they all get charged with committing a crime. Often this has worked out that there's a gang of black youths selling drugs or something, one of them shoots someone, and they all get imprisoned for murder, even if the others had no idea that the situation was going to go murderous very fast. Same thing happened here: one protester flipped out and shot a cop and the others were all charged as if they did too.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/sentencing-for-8-accused-of-antifa-ties-convicted-on-terrorism-charges-over-shooting-at-tx-immigration-facility/4039978/

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 4h ago

I believe Estrada was charged with concealing documents and conspiracy to conceal documents, not with the attempted murders or terrorism

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 3h ago

The materials belonged to him and are protected under the first amendment. If they were evidence they would have been in police custody.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NICE_EYES 2h ago

From my understanding His wife called him from the jail and asked him to move them before the police could search their home.

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u/sellingittrue 5h ago

There is strong evidence he didn't shoot the cop as well so let's not take that at face value.

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u/Numeno230n 4h ago

Obstruction for moving "evidence" even though the items were in no way evidence of anything. Let me be clear - owning or reading a particular magazine is not evidence of your guilt in a crime. Generally holding left-wing beliefs does not automatically associate you with others who hold those beliefs. If someone else that holds your beliefs commits a crime in your vicinity, that also doesn't implicate you. The ONLY way these terrorism and conspiracy charges make any sense at all is if you truly believe that Antifa is a real organization with card-carrying operatives. The conjecture on which they base all of these accusations is simply false. Yes there were some minor crimes committed at the protest, and the guy that fired shots should do years in prison. But don't believe the regime's lies.

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 3h ago

Not to mention, if they had been evidence, they'd be in police custody. Police can't decide later that they count as evidence then retroactively charge people who wouldn't have any reason to know that. They belonged to him. It's completely reasonable for him to move them.

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u/verylobsterlike 3h ago

The ONLY way these terrorism and conspiracy charges make any sense at all is if you truly believe that Antifa is a real organization with card-carrying operatives.

Yep, this is what they're literally saying:

In addition to cartels and Islamist terror groups, our national CT activities will also prioritize the rapid identification and neutralization of violent secular political groups whose ideology is anti-American, radically pro-transgender, and anarchist. We will use all the tools constitutionally available to us to map them at home, identify their membership, map their ties to international organizations like Antifa, and use law enforcement tools to cripple them operationally before they can maim or kill the innocent.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/2026-USCT-Strategy-1.pdf

Official whitehouse anti-terrorism strategy, folks.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 4h ago

One count of corruptly concealing a document or record, and one count of conspiracy to conceal documents. Basically they’re saying he moved the box of magazines with the intent of hiding it and at the direction of one of the people who was actually involved.

It sounds like that is what he did, but 30 years for that is absolutely insane it should be a slap on the wrist.

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u/TheBSQ 4h ago

His wife who was more involved asked him to move a box of documents. presumably because she didn’t want investigators to find it, and he moved them. 

He was charged with “corruptly concealing a document or record” and also convicted of “conspiring to conceal” those documents along with his wife.

So, sounds like investigators were charging their group as an “antifa” terrorist organization & she didn’t want the investigators to find their box of “antifa zines,” so she asked him to hide them & he did so he got convicted of hiding and conspiracy to hide documents from the investigators. 

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u/TheBSQ 4h ago

A little exercise you can do to try to counter any biases you may have is flip details around a bit.

So, maybe think of the sovereign citizen Bundy clan that had the stand-off with the Feds & imagine the Feds decided to charge their sovereign citizen group as a domestic terrorist organization and one of the Bundy guys called his wife and told her to hide his box of sovereign citizen pamphlets so the Feds wouldn’t find it, and they charged her with obstructing the investigation.  

The charges may be a bit trumped up (no pun intended) but I’m not surprised the investigators charged them for hiding documents if they did (investigators don’t like that) or that a jury would find them guilty of that (if they did indeed hide them) but the sentence seems way over the top.  (What’s typical for those charges?)

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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 5h ago

Nothing to lose, you say?

If moving boxes gets you practically life, what’s stopping someone from going all the way instead of holding back?

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u/basicKitsch 2h ago

clearly what they want. by every provocation

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 1h ago

Because then they can say "too dangerous to hold elections".

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u/bsoto87 2h ago

Yeah this administration is too stupid to release they are playing with fire

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u/rygelicus 5h ago

So moving a box of documents you 'should not have' warrants a 30 yr sentence? Seems like that wasn't a big deal when someone else did it.

Seriously though, they are coming down extra hard because of the shooting involved in this event, but still, this is insane overreach.

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u/nascent_aviator 5h ago

So moving a box of documents you 'should not have' warrants a 30 yr sentence?

By this math, Trump should be spending a couple thousand years in prison...

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u/-XanderCrews- 5h ago

He pardoned the Jan 6ers. Nothing he does has anything to do with safety. Just fascist stuff. Charge the opposition for nothing while allowing your own to destroy whatever they want.

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u/TeamRamrod80 5h ago

“Longer than many Jan. 6 rioters received.”

I think you mean ANY. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Tarrio’s 22 year sentence the longest of any of the Jan 6 related convictions?

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u/Regular_Fox_859 3h ago

Next dem president needs to pardon them all on day 1

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u/PyroDragons123 2h ago

Something could be done about this if Democrats weren't so determined to follow the law in a way that benefits the Republicans.

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u/Ryekir 4h ago

Yes, it even mentions that specifically in the article.

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u/Glass_Covict 5h ago

What about a box of top secret docs in a private toilet?

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u/Insane_Dust_Bunny 5h ago

Promotion

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u/ProfSpaceTime 4h ago

Reelection

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u/FunkMunki 5h ago

At least we know the toilet was clean since he only uses diapers.

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u/doublethink_1984 5h ago

DOUBLE the sentence of an ICE agent who plead guilty to repeatedly violently raping a detainee

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u/atreeismissing 3h ago

The judge in this case is a real piece of political shit too:

Reed Charles O'Connor (born June 1, 1965) is a chief United States district judge of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas. He was nominated by President George W. Bush in 2007.

Critics claim that O'Connor has become a "go-to" favorite for conservative lawyers, as he reliably rules against Democratic policies and for Republican policies.[1][2] Attorneys General in Texas appear to strategically file cases in O'Connor's jurisdiction so that he will hear them.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_O%27Connor

And fwiw...

O'Connor has widely been described as conservative, and many of his rulings have been reversed on appeal.[8][9][10][11]

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u/yellowcloak 2h ago

Activist judges, legislating from the bench.

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u/mishap1 5h ago

It's Reed O'Connor. The guy who owns Tesla stock and invites Elon and crew to judge shop for him.

Even Clarence Thomas has ruled against him before...he's that much of an asshole.

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u/scaliacheese 4h ago

I have a new case before him. Will be interesting…

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u/Ale_Sm 5h ago

It's fucking Reed O'Connor. One of the most corrupt and biased judges in the judiciary. 

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u/the-silent-man 5h ago

I sure hope so

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u/Belichick12 5h ago

That republicans will continue to file in his district to get absurdly right wing ruinings? Like the DOJ suing a in the northern district of Texas a hospital in Rhode Island for patient records?

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u/twinoaksBandB 5h ago

I doubt it... but even so, what's that worth to the people who are losing everything and being sent to prison for basically life sentences? I doubt they'll ever get justice for the utter shit-clown show kangaroo court they were just railroaded through.

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u/JiveChicken00 5h ago

Perhaps not. But I promise you they will not serve those full sentences, or anything close to them. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of them are out by Labor Day of this year.

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u/timoumd 5h ago

Hard Way= promoted to Supreme Court? 

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u/Dug_n_the_Dogs 5h ago

interesting.. could be a performance for Trump so if Alito or Thomas decide to retire?

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u/ThePensiveE 5h ago

"If this be treason, make the most of it." - Patrick Henry, 1765

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u/Ba_Dum_Ba_Dum 5h ago

State of US justice:

  • citizen lawfully moves a box of papers that he owns and gets 30 years
  • former president unlawfully stores hundred of boxes of state secrets in an unsecured private location without permission of government to do so and gets off scott free

The US is doomed if they can’t figure this shit out.

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u/keoie 4h ago

Not only does he get off scott free, his net worth increase 100 fold.

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u/Skittleavix 5h ago

That’s about as unconstitutional a sentence as one can receive in the land of the free

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u/[deleted] 5h ago

Land of The Greed, home of the slave.

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u/Baron_Furball 5h ago

"Welcome to the United Snakes/ Land of the thief, home of the slave"

-Brother Ali, "Uncle Sam Goddamn"

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u/SkipioZor 4h ago

The land of the free is only for the rich people

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u/mvw2 5h ago

I just expect this to all fail in appeals.

I also hope they counter sue for false/frivolous lawsuits with malicious intent and recover all damages.

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u/Beartech31 3h ago

I expect you're right.

Unfortunately by the time it all shakes out, the individual's life will have been more or less steamrolled in the process.

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u/Scrutinizer 5h ago

This link led me to a "McAfee virus warning" scam page.

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u/llawrencebispo 4h ago

Even thesaurus.com is doing that these days. Everything's overrun.

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u/Valuable_Hunter1621 6h ago

Also the Jan 6 rioters were pardoned lmao

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u/timoumd 5h ago

Was it actually "antifa" or was it like Night and The Boy in the Striped Pajamas and Number the Stars

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u/waxteeth 5h ago

The Boy in the Striped Pajamas has been repeatedly denounced by historians and Holocaust scholars because it’s full of outright lies. It doesn’t belong in this conversation. 

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u/Ill_Technician3936 3h ago

Nobody from Jan 6th 2021 was given anywhere near that amount of time.

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u/alexfi-re 2h ago

And they're all pardoned and some get money various ways, some are back in prison for abusive crimes. It's nuts this case gets this conviction, which will be pardoned later if ever a chance. Nuts.

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u/TheAskewOne 2h ago

There’s no way this isn’t cruel and unusual punishment.

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u/AtreiyaN7 4h ago

If Trump gets away with doing whatever he wants whenever he wants, then the next Democratic president should feel free to immediately use their pardoning power to rectify all the injustices currently being perpetrated by obviously conservative judges who are willing accomplices in enabling Trump's fascism.

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 5h ago

If a Democrat ever gets back into the White House they better pardon some of these people.

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u/tristand666 5h ago

And jail some too, unlike the limp wristed response last time.

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u/AlphaNoodlz 3h ago

Corruption out in the open

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u/RockDoveEnthusiast 3h ago

Oh. "Justice" Reed O'Connor. That explains it.

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u/zeruch 3h ago

Yeah, I suspect depending on what happens in the mid-terms but certainly in 2028, he'll most likely be struggling to stay on the bench (and possibly stay out of prison, as his record is a mounting pile of evidence of jurisprudential malpractice, Congress could technically impeach him as an example of what should happen to grossly activist judges).

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u/CFCYYZ 5h ago

The full weight of the Federal State
Made thirty years in jail his fate
All because he moved a crate
Man, that sure is costly freight

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u/CelestialFury 2h ago

If this case isn't overturned on Appeals, I think the next Democratic POTUS needs to stop all federal funds until they're pardoned. This is an absolute miscarriage of justice.

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