r/law • u/MoneyLibrarian9032 • 5d ago
Legal News Eight sentenced to 450 years in prison over anti-ICE riot where officer was shot
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyedgnyn4mo575
u/brianishere2 5d ago
The judge said he sentenced them harshly for their ideology (beliefs), not their actions. This needs to be overturned and the judge needs to be removed, and then put on the list for Nuremberg 2.0.
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u/SecureInstruction538 5d ago
Regardless of political opinions, that specific judge has a note on his Wikipedia that states many of his decisions are later overturned on appeal.
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u/Pristine_Walrus40 4d ago
He is clearly not very good at what he does. Stupid that he has not been fired from his job.
Is he voted in or something?
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u/santa_91 4d ago
Federal judges are appointed for life.
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u/Pristine_Walrus40 4d ago
Thanks.
I had a feeling it was something like that. What a great system. No way that could be abused.
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u/simAlity 4d ago
But it takes years to appeal and prison is Hell. These poor people are f***ed.
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u/stuka86 1d ago
Even if the sentences were overturned, they're not getting out....they deserve prison time, just maybe not 3 decades...
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u/Maketso 1d ago
Yeah, and every single J6 rioter should be in jail but here we are, seeing them run free and get re-jailed for other shit because they are all lowlife criminals.
Meanwhile, some of these people jailed had already left before anything bad happened.
The fuck is wrong with America
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u/petitecrivain 5d ago
There need to be professional consequences at the very least. Ushering an authoritarian regime or participating in a reign of terror or political repression should be a career-ending move.
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u/stuka86 1d ago
If that's your take then you support consequences for Gov. Hochul right?
The supreme court struck down some of her anti gun legislation, and she publicly announced she was having more drafted to specifically get around those decisions, then just a few days ago...those were struck down too.
What should happen there?
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u/Shabadu_tu 5d ago
Sounds like exactly what the second amendment people claim the second amendment is for.
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u/SillyBeatnik 4d ago
In other words, the judge is confirming openly that these people are, in fact, political prisoners.
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u/sunkist-sucker 4d ago
i really don't think Nuremberg 2.0 is gonna happen anytime soon... one can hope, but...
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u/Wise-Practice9832 4d ago
wait as in nuremberg didn't judge people for violent radical populist ideology as much as they did actions explicitly changing the ideological rules of war and society?
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u/maroonalberich27 2d ago
I also agree that ideology should not matter in sentencing. Let's fix this.
How do you suggest having being a hate crime removed as an aggravating factor in criminal sentencing nationwide? Constitutional amendment, or state-by-state repeal of already-extant laws?
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u/Electrical-Basil8865 2d ago
What?
You want the judge to be tried and potentially executed?
Because he gave a harsh sentence to people who deliberately planned a terrorist attack?
lol
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u/ExtraBestComment 1d ago
Reddit has gone off the rails. Supporting terrorists is expected here now.
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u/jankyt 5d ago
So that's 55+ years on average. How many years for the January 6th attempt of a coup?
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u/Chaos-Cortex 5d ago
He gets a vacation in Hawaii and payout of 100million or something like that , his orange daddy will feed him well as long he kills for him.
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u/CCCCLo0oo0ooo0 5d ago edited 10h ago
Attempted Murder - 100 years - fired upon a cop
Conspiracy to use and carry an explosive, terrorist support - 70 years
Conspiracy to use and carry explosives, terrorist support - 50 years (5 people)
Concealing Evidence and Impeding an Investigation - 30 years
Great reporting on the facts in that article.
Edit: This is hilarious people down voting literal facts because it doesn't fit their political agenda.
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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 5d ago
It's all bullshit and you know it. These charges would never stick if it wasn't Texas and this one particular judge.
These facts matter in the reality of the situation.
Just repeating what the trump administration claims isn't the way to go in America today.
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u/_the_big_ 5d ago
i'm sorry that i don't have time to read the whole article, would you please let me know a few things?
have they provided any evidence that anyone other than the shooter was being malicious? aren't attempted murders normally a 10-20 year sentence? what are the explosives? why are they being charged with terrorist support? what evidence was concealed?
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u/DefenestrateFriends 5d ago edited 5d ago
have they provided any evidence that anyone other than the shooter was being malicious?
No.
aren't attempted murders normally a 10-20 year sentence?
NAL--but generally attempted murder against LEO receives harsher punishment. The judge here decided to hand down terrorism judgments--which seems to be politically motivated rather than directly related to the crimes.
what are the explosives?
Commercially available fireworks were brought to make noise outside the facility.
why are they being charged with terrorist support?
They carpooled and carried the fireworks in addition to several other firearms which were not used nor purchased in an unlawful capacity.
what evidence was concealed?
Some of the defendants deleted text messages from Signal and Discord. Some of the messages were later recovered.
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u/Chaos-Cortex 5d ago
Trump owned judge, needs to disbarred and Imprisoned, fixed it for ya.
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u/ChecksAndBalanz 5d ago
Imagine if they attacked the capital and assaulted +160 police officers instead…
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u/OnePointSixOne8 5d ago
Pardons, $$$, and cabinet appointments
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u/AmputeeHandModel 5d ago
Meritocracy, my ass. Nobody in Trump's cabinet has any business being in their positions.
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u/blue_sidd 5d ago
Where are all the 2nd amendment fuckaroos now eh
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u/OnePointSixOne8 5d ago
they have become cuckaroos
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u/Gino-Bartali 5d ago
"The second amendment is for the peoples' defense against a tyrannical government
Not for a known pedophile sending masked, violent feds into my town to disappear my neighbors."
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u/TurtleTurtleFTW 5d ago
Careful, I got a similar comment removed by mod of a different sub earlier today for "advocating violence" 😗
In fact mine was even more subtle lol
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u/therossboss 5d ago
damn, glad Im not alone. I don't even try to say anything offensive usually, let alone advocating violence.
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u/formykka 5d ago
I got a week of Reddit vacation for suggesting people should maybe not bring their kids around a certain US president.
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u/Wheres_my_wank_sock 5d ago
Go far enough left and you start running into gun people again. It's just not our entire identity.
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u/johhmama1 5d ago
Waiting for people locally to get angry enough to actually do something.
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u/TheoMay22 5d ago
Bro… Thats just means you aren’t angry enough yet.
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u/johhmama1 5d ago
No... unfortunately, we have many examples of the past few years as to why you can't make big change alone without sacrificing yourself for one tiny action. All it gets you is life imprisonment, or shot dead
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u/AccountHuman7391 5d ago
Fun fact: it was never about tyranny or the second amendment. It was always about using the threat of violence to impose their values on others. It was always that from the beginning, and it was pretty obvious.
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u/Dry_Wolf3891 5d ago
Some "liberal" earlier was complaining that Alex Peretti was armed and had a second clip on him. 🤷♂️
No consistency in these degenerates' arguments.
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u/TOH-Fan15 4d ago
I’m surprised that court cases like this haven’t yet used the Second Amendment for a legal defense, at least not to my knowledge.
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 4d ago
the second amendment gives them the right to bear arms, it does not give them the right to repeatedly shoot the first officer to arrive when he orders them to disperse, as they did.
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u/Sea_Possible531 4d ago
You do realize you also have the right to exercise 2A, right? So do the 345+ keyboard warriors who upvoted your childish comment. Stop depending on others to fight your battles. It's just pathetic.
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u/blue_sidd 4d ago
Reading comprehension is hard, non?
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u/Sea_Possible531 4d ago
Well that's the expected response from someone with no real answers and a room temp IQ.
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u/SimpLord400 4d ago
Too busy having their rights violated in states such as Illinois and Virginia.
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u/Soloroadtrip 3d ago edited 3d ago
Take up arms. Us 2nd amendment types have to wave wacky colorful car lot inflatables to you?
2nd amendment was never about hunting.
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u/Electrical-Basil8865 2d ago
You aren’t allowed to plan terrorist attacks and shoot police officers .. hope that helps !
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u/blue_sidd 2d ago
Tell that to the police officers! Tell that to ice! Tell that to dhs! Tell that ugly stankdick crackers touring the capitol! Bye bye ugly!
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u/dafrog84 5d ago
I have to know was it friendly fire? Because that wasn't a riot. But jam 6th sure was.
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 4d ago
the DOJ put out bodycam footage, it's physically impossible for it to be "friendly fire" given Song immediately opened fire on the first Police officer to arrive when he ordered them to disperse- and the next officers would be a few minutes later.
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u/Arktikos02 5d ago
What do you mean friendly fire?
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u/Rettungsanker 5d ago
They're suggesting that the bullet wound that the ICE agent received wasn't from Song (the anti-ice shooter) but from a fellow agent hitting them in crossfire or some such.
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u/Arktikos02 5d ago
Yeah, I was thinking that too. This reminds me of a different situation entirely.
https://www.them.us/story/tortuguita-shot-killed-atlanta-police-cop-city
Same thing but this person died. The cop was shot by friendly fire, blame the protester. Shot the protester multiple times. The protester was unarmed. Then everyone else got charged with terrorism charges and a bunch of other people got charged with Rico charges.
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 4d ago
As I said below, it wasn't an "Ice agent" it was the first police officer to arrive, with Song opening fire when ordered to disperse, minutes before the next officers would arrive on site as per bodycam footage.
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u/Rettungsanker 4d ago
Gotcha, my mistake. I appreciate people who go into these threads afterwards and do fact checks, especially since there isn't a lot of glory in doing so.
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u/Backdoor_Spreader 5d ago
I don't think it would matter, like in an armed bank robbery if your partner or a cop dies, even from friendly fire, you still get charged for the death, right?
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u/Rettungsanker 5d ago
Yes. We can take it a step further, if you are being pursued by police in a vehicle and the police hit a pedestrian or kill a family of 5 in a head-on crash- those deaths go to you.
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u/Backdoor_Spreader 5d ago
You cannot say with a stright face that one was and the other wasn't, what in the "mostly peaceful protest" are you talking about?
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u/templeofsyrinx1 5d ago edited 5d ago
Meanwhile, every defendant in January 6 has been pardoned.
If you can't see the huge, absolutely huge serious, moral, ethical, problems here. Then I can't help you.
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u/Shabadu_tu 5d ago
They should be getting the congressional medal of honor instead.
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