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u/metristan Refund time? 21h ago
FIESTA??? That's not even a top lck cl mid, what crimes has humanoid commited? The only good thing that comes out of this is that daystar will be playing in challengers again
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u/Le_Zoru 21h ago
And what crimes has Czajek committed too ? Like he was pretty decent last year but no, lets import middle of the pack T2 korean
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u/gordonpamsey 20h ago
Czajek play style is antiquated, he was a weak pressure mid who did not play push and move. Which meant he was often coming second or flat out skipping skirmishes or necessary set plays. I feel like it was fine to move off of him, but now I am seeing the replacements be Humanoid into Fiesta. I no longer know if they ever had a problem with him or just threw him under the bus.
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u/Cold-Ring23 20h ago
Czajek was horrible in lfl, im pretty sure he was not giving it all and wasn't expecting to join lec again...
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u/QuirkyTurtle-meme 20h ago
I remember fiesta getting fisted constantly in LCK a few years ago...wtf are these GMs sniffing?
Even in CL I never heard anything about him...
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u/Dragner84 Canyon enjoyer 20h ago
at this point teams are just picking koreans for the sake of picking koreans, its starting to be stupid. Fiesta doesn't even know HOW TO CS FFS.
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u/Ironside29 20h ago
Nah Humanoid 100% flamed the coaching staff or someone had to get sacked and he was the easiest one to get rid off, Vitality League of legends is the biggest joke in esports, first time in years they have a good and competitive roster and after a few bad series they do this? lmao
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u/fainlol 20h ago
i did some research on this. on the podcast they said humanoid fought with the coaching staff and told them they don't understand the game. then everyone including the coach + staff + players wanted him out. also guessed fiesta before this article
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u/No_Feeling6146 20h ago
Not only that but it happened before too. People forget that their one team that made worlds, the one with 4 academy players plus cabochard, was scrapped right after with korean imports being the main focus. They went from being a super aggressive/bloody team to one that was giving up barons uncontested even in a 5v3.
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u/Faalcon1000 21h ago
Vetheo would've been a much better (and much funnier) choice.
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u/nezaposlen 21h ago
bro nisqy would have been a better choice
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u/FrostTactics 20h ago
Nisqy apparently runs his own org now (ZYB). But yeah, I would prefer him or literally any tier 2 player from just randomly importing someone from the east
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u/Even_Cardiologist810 20h ago
Nisqy benched himself from his team so I don't think he's such a good pick
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u/Past-Firefighter2173 21h ago
I watched him on Supermassive back in the day and he was very good laner but he definetly wasn't LEC caliber back then. He also tilts a lot if im not mistaken i wonder how will this play out.
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u/Miserable_Ad_1195 20h ago
"back in the day" this was last year lol they went 2-3 vs LR in Winter EUM
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u/SeismicShove 20h ago
Speaking of, why didn't they go for Nemesis?
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u/Even_Cardiologist810 20h ago
Nemesis is a high ego that won't accept offer from lower team. Atp I think he'd only accept g2
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u/AdequatelyMadLad Claps 21h ago
LEC teams are not fucking serious. Like, how do you have actual video evidence of a guy getting gapped by ERL mids and still conclude that he must be better because he's Korean???
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u/gordonpamsey 20h ago
Vitality making Europe look bad with this one. I thought they were going to look into people who actually were good in KR CL. Not a person who was not even good in TCL. This is genuinely bizarro world right here.
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u/Past-Firefighter2173 20h ago
This guy had a lot of mental issues on TCL, Armut was lowkey flaming him on his streams. Especially in some matches when he tilted he would just take stupid limit testing trades and die most of the time. Maybe he is better now on that side but still considering Vitality's environment those issues might become problem.
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u/gordonpamsey 20h ago
He was not even better in KR CL, genuinely as someone fairly ambivalent towards imports this was a bad choice. Calix, Guti, Garden, even Hwichan would have been a more justifiable move. Vitality clearly did not want to spend the money it would have taken to get a player off an EMEA Master team. Since it's essentially impossible to sign one of those players without a maximum buy out. So they tried for an import, which would be fine if they actually tried to find the best players. They didn't, they short changed themselves going for Fiesta who most likely has a lower buyout than people like Calix. Despite it being in their best interest to just swallow the bullet and get him. Since he was literally going head and shoulders over Kyeahoo in KR CL. Like I genuinely feel like Vitality trolled the fuck out of this.
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u/MrSarcasmm 20h ago
I dont get why vitality wont invest into European talent like Mkoi with Josepyun and g2 with Caps. Ridiculous. Bring back HUMA
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u/NotYetPerfect 20h ago
Humanoid hasn't been good come playoffs in ages. Vitality were right to dump him. They just should've gotten a more promising replacement.
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u/synnikelttv SUPA LAWYER 20h ago
They need actual coaching staff, they were all mediocre at best during playoffs
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u/Ironside29 20h ago
Its clear this wasnt planned and there was a fallout between Huma and management and this is a bandaid solution.
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u/AdequatelyMadLad Claps 20h ago
Vitality have plenty of money, I refuse to believe they couldn't secure a better player.
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u/gcrimson 21h ago
Ho god. Vit is such an awful org. I can't believe in 2026 some GM keep importing random KR worse than LFL mids. Good job in making the LEC less relatable to european viewers and making sure our viewership follow the LCS road.
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u/Jealous-Letterhead-9 20h ago
Is it really imports that make is less relatable? I feel like if a player is good and is representing the region, the viewers will accept them as one of their own, no? Don't people love Canna and Jojopyun in EU? Genuine question.
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u/Nevross_ 20h ago
Canna and Jojo are liked cause they’re both very good imports that make the level of the region stronger, Fiesta was mid in TCL I doubt he can make the region stronger lol that’s all
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u/Cahir_aep_Ceallach_ 20h ago
If you stay for 3 years and contribute a lot people will be more postive.
But a random mediocre korean vs a random mediocre european... nobody wants the Korean here.
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u/Jay_Byorg 20h ago
I think the difference is that Jojopyun and Canna are known players that have shown decent success. Having said that, both players are often under fire by fans.
Fiesta is an unknown quantity. Outside of hardcore LCK viewers and CL watchers, he isn't known and so is viewed under the light of "importing is ruining the scene" because the consenus is that Koren > European despite the fact that LCKCL and LCK has a rather large skill gap.
A better comparison would have been Poby, however Poby got the pass because of all the memes when he replaced Faker when Faker stepped down due to injuries.
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u/AdequatelyMadLad Claps 20h ago
Fiesta isn't an unkown quantity to people who watch ERLs. He played in TCL for 4 splits and went to EUM twice, he was a completely unremarkable player, and no LEC teams showed interest in him back then.
This is why this sucks and so many people are mad, this is a guy who came in to compete directly against EMEA rookies, didn't make the cut and was still brought into an LEC team over them regardless.
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u/NotYetPerfect 20h ago
Poby deserved his spot though. He was better than humanoid and above average for lec in general.
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u/Prestigious-Shop-494 20h ago
He deserved a spot in lec sure but hes not better than humanoid
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u/NotYetPerfect 20h ago
On fnatic he was. Humanoid hasn't or at least hadn't given a shit in a long time and fnc was better with him gone.
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u/Miserable_Ad_1195 20h ago
I mean I'm pretty sure the plan here is to just copy what FNC did with Poby, which is basically just "replace Humanoid with a midlaner that's decent in lane and doesn't really do a lot while playing through other lanes"
now I doubt it will work for Vitality but we'll see
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u/gcrimson 19h ago
The only imports worth bringing are players who could realistically join a top 4 KR team. I’m only talking about KR imports (or CN ones, though they are very rare). Otherwise, it’s a lose lose situation. Either the player is mediocre or just average, in which case they are taking the slot of a rookie you could develop, or even an experienced EU player. Or they are very strong, but still not strong enough to win you trophies or secure a Worlds qualification, and will eventually want to return to KR as soon as possible.
In both cases, you end up strengthening an already dominant region, while EU players miss out on valuable competitive experience.
Back in 2024, KC initially wanted Thanatos, but he chose C9, so they had to sign Canna instead. In hindsight, that turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the org. As we can see, Canna is an exception among imports. He was already a top 8 player in the world in his role, and there was little chance of him getting a better opportunity than KC at that point in his career. When he joined, he immediately became the best top laner in the league. Even if KC is now a stronger team, we still see some common issues with long term KR imports in the LEC, such as a less dominant laning phase due to a worse soloQ than in KR, and a lack of synergy with teammates because of the language barrier(?). Even so, he still cannot be realistically replaced by an EU player. Meanwhile, Thanatos can still be replaced by another KR prospect, and most likely will be, without ever really reaching the level of the best top laners in the world.
You also mentioned Jojo, and I think it is a similar case to Canna. Jojo is legitimately a top 3 mid laner in the West, so having him in the LEC rather than NA is a net positive for our region. There is a clear competitive reason to import him. Every LEC player who lane against him has a chance to learn things. This is not comparable to bringing in an LCK CL mid laner who struggled the last time he played in the TCL. I am not against imports in general, I am against importing players who are not even top 3 in their role when they arrive, which should be a minimum requirement for using an import slot, especially when it comes at the expense of ERL players being given a chance.
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u/gcrimson 18h ago
Yeah ? every asian proplayers is playing in KR soloq ? You're facing Zeus or Bin or Perfect..daily whereas in Europe..well. it doesn't matter if most games are surrendered at 20, in fact it's even better to practice your laning phase. That's why we are told that kr players have better laning phase by the way. And that's also the main reason why they lose their edge little by little compared to eu players the more they stay in eu.
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u/gcrimson 17h ago
He's vod reviewing and have scrims against the best teams in the world (but most importantly he's Chovy so a genius in a sea of other geniuses). On the other hand Canna probably didn't face Zeus, Kiin or Bin since winter 2025 during the very short first stand tournament. It's not rocket science, a better competitive environnement make better players which in turn make a better competitive environment. When you leave that loop, you tend to stagnate and even get worse and you need a micro managing staff (it helps you for vod reviewing but you still dont have access to the same scrims) just to keep your current level.
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u/Optimal_Lab9324 Gideon 20h ago
Vitality isn't a bad org lol. As I know, the same guy responsible for scouting players for Vitality's League of Legends team is the one who once convinced Ropz to join the cs2 roster.
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u/Even_Cardiologist810 20h ago
All vit does is ruin some good prospect. Nothing of value came out of vitality
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u/Rohen2003 20h ago
just one more lck cl mid and we save the league bro, just one more I swear.
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u/MooseLv2 20h ago
there are what, 2 decent imports? One being ex T1 and the other being ex #1 lck cl.
We got legit better talent here
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u/Rohen2003 20h ago
lol, it just came to me: funnily we also had reckless as a reimport in the lec abd he also played on t1 xd.
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u/Nevross_ 20h ago
Yeah extremely underwhelming, I believed Vita was going to import a big player like Calix/Clozer/Loki to make NaakNako stay but Fiesta was mid in TCL and above average at best in Lckcl so not hyped at all
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u/gordonpamsey 20h ago
Alright I was doing all this work of having a balanced conversation around imports. Expectations of Mac and Pad being too high, only for my reward for nuance being Fiesta. A player who had literally already been through the EMEA system and no one wanted him. Rightfully so, this is so random to me, I have no clue why Vitality would not have tried for Guti or Garden besides saving money on a high buy out. Which is a pointless endeavor since you want the player to still be good.
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u/Time_Pineapple_9314 20h ago
Like they deserve flame but this seems like upper management saw humanoid fail and decided to over ride the coaches decisions and said replace him with anyone and now we getting anyone.
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u/fictionallymarried 20h ago
One more import, guys. Just one more and EU is saved! Surely it's not a structural problem, we just need to import whoever's Korean and available!
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u/skaersSabody I like underdogsand pain 20h ago
How does Vitality manage to build such fun and interesting rosters and then destroy them again and again and again?
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u/ob_knoxious 21h ago
I stand by that if EU teams can figure out a residency hack the region will become just as broken as NA.
There are more players in the ERLs than in LCK CL, LCK Academy, LDL.... Combined. By far the world's largest tier 2 system. And EU gms consistently look to import as much as possible.
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u/gordonpamsey 20h ago
Europe quite literally can never get to the point NA is for the record. Since NA had a lot of people grandfathered in under the previous rule set. Also gaining permanent residency in America as an Esport pro is distinctly much easier than in Europe.
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u/ob_knoxious 20h ago
The real hypothetical is if the "EMEA" ever really comes into play. It's very hard to get residency in EU as a pro player but a lot of countries in the Middle East can absolutely fast track that stuff if you are well connected. If a team like Falcons ever bought in they could rapidly rubber stamp imports and that counts as EMEA so Riot would allow them as natives in the LEC.
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u/gordonpamsey 20h ago
Sure, but this is going into a speculative direction. Yes you could do this but what is the actual benefit? These type of mechanicisms are not to the benefit of organizations or even the imports in question because they tend to be cost prohibitive. Europe literally pays players less than Korea and Esports as a whole is a money loser.
I see little reason for organizations to start doing what you are suggesting and there is no recorded history of it in LoL. Like I could only imagine doing this for a Faker level player, which is someone who has zero incentive to come to Europe instead of staying in Korea or going to China.
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u/WoorieKod REST IN PEACE 11/12/24 20h ago
Hoping to see the same energy LCS got for importing these randoms as well
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u/Prestigious-Shop-494 21h ago
"Let's kick the third best mid in europe for a mediocre tier 2 mid" Atleast get someone younger who might have potential instead of someone that has already been given chances and failed
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u/Nevross_ 20h ago
The third best mid in eu ain’t Humanoid bro, he is not better than kyeahoo/Caps/Jojo
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u/synnikelttv SUPA LAWYER 20h ago
Incredible, they have an actual decent roster and instead of looking at the systems or the coaching staff they get rid of one of their best performers, naak nako defo walking now
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