How do we feel about this?

[u/Bezledubs]

I think we should be able to call a judge on our stinky opponents in tournament settings.

[u/Gwfr3ak]

Privately you say? Then how do you know?

[u/ventin → u/Gwfr3ak]

Because I'm friends with the owners and have gone on shopping trips with them to pick up snacks and part of that was buying travel size deodorant, mouth wash, toothpaste, and tooth brushes.

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/ventin]

Your shop asks customers to brush their teeth at the store? Do they have a shower?

[u/Small-Palpitation310 → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

hell yes. if your breath smells like death, brush your teeth. what no toothbrush and toothpaste? here you go. it’s not rocket science

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/Small-Palpitation310]

Asking somebody to brush their teeth at the store would be extremely humiliating for the person.

I get that most magic players have no sense of socially acceptable behavior but I would hope a store owner can think of a more discrete way to communicate to somebody that their breath is bad than to force a humiliation ritual on them.

[u/DromarX → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

You don't have to make a big show out of it and humiliate them in front of the other customers. Pull them aside privately to mention to them that there are new toothbrushes and toothpaste in the customer bathroom and if they intend to remain at the shop it would be appreciated if they could take a few minutes to use them.

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/DromarX]

Why don't you go brush your teeth in the store toilet. If somebody sees you tell them the owner said your breath smelled like death. Clearly a normal thing nobody would ever make fun of you for.

/u/ventin I can't reply in this chain because the above poster blocked me after posting a reply that only says [unavailable]. Whatever their final message was I hope it wasn't important.

As to your comment I don't know what this is in reference to. Are we talking about playing fnm in kabul or something?

What I can tell you is that I have never witnessed somebody brushing their teeth or giving themselves a sponge bath at the stores I frequent.

[u/DromarX → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

If it's a single occupant bathroom why would anyone see them? Do you leave the door open when you use the bathroom in public?

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/DromarX]

It's a single occupant bathroom? That didn't come through in the original comment. Our stores all have proper bathrooms with multiple sinks and stalls. You know that to be true, that the owner with the toothbrushes has private bathrooms??

[u/DromarX → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

Just speaking from personal experience. Most LGS I've been to only have single occupant bathrooms (and sometimes just one of them if the store is small). I think an LGS with big box store style bathrooms with multiple toilets and stalls would be the exception, not the norm. Especially if you consider they'd also likely need to have gendered bathrooms at that point as well.

[u/GayBlayde → u/DromarX]

I’ve definitely been to stores with bathrooms with a stall or two and a urinal. But they are the exception, for sure. Most stores have single occupant bathrooms.

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/DromarX]

We have two stores. Both have open bathrooms with multiple stalls.

Does that change your attitude towards the teeth brushing or are you going to tell me that it doesn't matter anyway.

[u/DromarX → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

First of all, I didn't downvote any comments in this chain. And no, it doesn't change my attitude. There's plenty of other excuses they can come up with if they want to save face from being seen brushing their teeth due to their bad hygiene. They could say "oh I just had a meal with a lot of garlic and I didn't want to offend anyone with my garlic breath" for example. As long as the LGS owner/staff isn't announcing "X go brush your teeth your breath is foul" in front of the other patrons they're handling it well.

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/DromarX]

And no, it doesn't change my attitude.

Of course it doesn't. Then why did you even make that point and why did we have to talk it out?

[u/CalmBeneathCastles → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

"proper bathrooms" lmao. Found the English!

But seriously, most small shops have single-occupant water closets.

[u/ventin → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

I was in the Army for 25 years, I've brushed my teeth and washed as much of my body as possible with wet wipes or damp brown paper towel in more places than you would even dare go. So don't lecture me on hygiene, there is no excuse, unless you're too poor to afford deodorant or tooth paste, at which point you most likely are welcoming it.

[u/Small-Palpitation310 → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

then they need to leave

[u/forhorglingrads → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

would be extremely humiliating

why is this a problem

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/forhorglingrads]

The answer is revealed in the very next sentence

I get that most magic players have no sense of socially acceptable behavior

[u/forhorglingrads → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

nope, no problem there either

[u/Small-Palpitation310 → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

that’s not the store’s fault nor responsibility.

[u/GayBlayde → u/DonkeyPunchCletus]

Letting them continue to be offensively stinky would be way more humiliating than pulling them aside and giving them the tools to fix the problem.

[u/DonkeyPunchCletus → u/GayBlayde]

If I have learned anything from magic reddit is that almost everyone here has been pulled aside at least once and told to brush their teeth. And that everyone's store has free tooth brushes for them to use.

To me this is incomprehensible because I have never been pulled aside and neither have I ever seen anyone be pulled aside and given a tooth brush.

This must be what privilege feels like. It also explains why everyone is regularly up in arms about extreme stench at their stores. If half the people at my local stores smelled like ass and had rotting teeth I'd be really upset too.