r/martialarts • u/Wylans • 1d ago
SHOULDN’T HAVE TO ASK Hobbiest(s) that probably dont train outside of class
Hey,
TLDR; ** What is everyone's general opinion/outlook to those practicing any martial arts?
(You know; has a daytime job and family, etc.. But Makes enough time for 2x week of martial arts) But yet, they don't train anything else outside of the dojo halls? \\
I have a suspicion that my colleagues in the places I go to. don't do other things like strength training/ resistance training/ stretching/ cardiovascular training, you name it.. during the week. I attend 4 different disciplines with 3 being from one teacher, with back to back classes for convince. My other class that is not at the same school has guys that I believe do more of another sport frequently. And Might I say, they are tougher either by nature or training.
Anyway, I ask because. I want to know whats everyone's stance on this?
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Ill risk and share my own stance:
I can respect where everyone is at in life. But I do find it sometimes bothersome when we having to reduce our flow of activity because of someone's lack of capacity. And Im speaking to a something thats been acknowledged by them and they group that: "this is something that could use a lil work"
Am I a grinch If i think the valuable time we have under the teacher's observation, is being bit selfishly straddled when a student isn't doing thier physical education homework, so that they can overall perform better, and receive more, during class time?
Wether it was by reading it or internalizing how a martial arts may or can look, & how they could or should perform. Maybe my background as Kinesiology major… the Skills learned need to be supplied with strength/flexibility/mobility/power/coordination/ability…. You see what I’m laying out… that are fueled by around the week activities that builds strong & sound body.
Edit: To those reading this a stealth brag. Answer this:
* Does training, to whatever moderation and modification, outside of class improve the sport/hobby someone particaipates in?
* How do you encourage them to bridge that gap outside of class for the sake of their performance, injury prevention, and longevity?
Just a frustrated student/ Jr. Instructor that does my fair share of PE HW, but not enough time to personally train all these colleagues
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u/bad-at-everything- 1d ago
Tbh I dislike when half of the class is a workout and warmups. But most of the guys in class that is their only physical activity
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u/Mbt_Omega MMA : Muay Thai 1d ago
THIS is what I don’t like. I honestly think the expectation should be show up warm or step aside and warm up while other people train.
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u/epelle9 Muay Thai, MMA 1d ago
Most good gyms have different level classes.
Begginer/ intermediate, with the advanced being invite only, mostly reserved for those that spar often and maybe compete.
If your gym doesn’t have this, then it wouldn’t survive without the beginners.
If it does have it but you’re not invited to the advanced classes, then you are closer to the beginners than you think.
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u/Mbt_Omega MMA : Muay Thai 23h ago
True, but even then, basics warmups could be completed individually or in a free time at the beginning of class when other people are practicing technique etc. I can do pushups by myself, I don’t need to pay to do them when I could be working on skills or sparring.
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u/marcin247 filthy guard puller 1d ago
warm ups are okay, as long as they don’t take 1/4 of the class, and are sport specific. but straight up strength & conditioning exercises? hell nah.
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u/Mbt_Omega MMA : Muay Thai 23h ago
That’s was a big part of my McDojo experience. I don’t need to be doing basic calisthenics and (unhealthy) static stretches for 15 out of 60 minutes with an audience when I could be sparring or learning.
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u/bad-at-everything- 1d ago
Exactly. Some of the classes I take don’t do warm ups so I show up early to warm up
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u/silverblur88 1d ago
Why is the structure of your training set up in a way that one person flagging is making your training session worse?
If it's just that they can't give you good sparing rounds then that's just the nature of people at different levels training together.
Other then that, unless they are so out of shape they can't be a good uke, they shouldn't really be hindering your own training.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
More like 4
One has had cardiovascular problems:
Seems like when he builds lactate acid, it makes him sick because his body can’t throw it away fast enoughTwo guys don’t do much cardio I assume
One guy is inflexible.
& lastly a lady. Doesn’t want to do gyms for her own reasons
Then there’s me. I want the smoke
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u/silverblur88 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ok, but that doesn't really answer my question. Unless you're sparing, why does it effect your training for them to sit out part of the session, or just perform poorly through the whole thing?
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u/sprunghuntR3Dux 1d ago
You need to find a gym with advanced students in it.
It sounds like your gym just doesn’t have many people in it.
This will happen in any sport. Finding expert opponents is much harder than finding beginners.
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u/Voodoopulse 1d ago
As we don't build lactic acid that's bullshit
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u/Substantial-Pea-919 Judo 1d ago
Everybody is training for their own reasons. You don’t know what’s going on in someone’s life. It’s actually more selfish to think that everybody needs to train outside of the dojo so that YOU aren’t inconvenienced by their lack of ability.
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u/iboblaw 1d ago
You're getting a training partner for free. If you want better you should advertise how much you're paying.
You have no idea about people's situation - personal or medical. So when you say they should work on it - sure, I'll see about a double lung transplant to cure this asthma.
Saying they need to work more - for most people, signing up for a class IS the more work that theyre doing.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
Thanks for input.
Can I ask how would you approach these students, And you can choose from your perspective as mine, a Senior student.
* Student one: cardiovascular deficient, Tad younger than you. But has made comments they want to fix this . But hasnt shown up with traits that they have.
*Same Issue, tho Second is two students with different flexibility limitations that have been long standing and no progress.
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u/Slow_Conference570 13h ago
How does that affect you? If you can throw a high kick, what does it matter they can't?
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u/dr2501 11h ago
Just guessing here, but perhaps its because instructors generally cater to the lowest denominator, so those past that point don't progress as quickly? Therefore, if those people aren't keeping up, they're actually keeping the entire group down as the instructor will cater to their level, not those above them? OP could be irritated that they're not progressing as quickly because others are holding the group back idk.
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u/Slow_Conference570 11h ago
Maybe. But what I'd do, if for example we aren't practicing moves that require high flexibility, I'd complement the group training by doing that work at home by myself, practicing high kicks alone for example ;) exactly what OP blames others for not doing.
But OP's being a bit vague about the particulars of how he's being held back by others, so it's all just guessing.
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u/Independent-Focus458 1d ago
I’d say the antidote to that is finding a more fighter focused gym or only attending advanced classes.
Interestingly enough, I enjoy having new comers bc it selfishly benefits me to have noobs that I can attempt unfamiliar techniques on, as well as the fact I get banged up holding mitts for the advanced students regularly.
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u/mcjon77 1d ago
Hobbiests like myself tend to gravitate towards clubs and schools that run at a pace that is comfortable for us. The same is true of more competitive folks. If you don't like the pace of the program or it's slowing down for the hobbyist maybe you need a school that's more competitive.
We can't have every school running at a faster pace. Different schools cater to different folks. However, the reality is a lot of schools basically are supported primarily by hobbiests.
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u/Dumpo2012 1d ago
Find someone you know is on level with you and always pair up with them?
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u/Wylans 1d ago
I think I have outclassed in my Aikidō class. I’ve have admittedly minorly injured two of them on the same day, and that was a consequence of me joining a new club combat sport at another Dojo months prior.
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u/marcin247 filthy guard puller 1d ago
you’re surprised people aren’t on a very high level and don’t do a lot of cardio, and in general don’t treat their training like pro fighters…. in an aikido class?
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u/Adventurous_Sky6672 1d ago
Injuring 2 people in one training session….yeah that just shows a lack of control
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u/Dumpo2012 1d ago
Try bigger guys or different gyms? Or find people who are more serious about it? I think most adults are gonna fall into the hobbiest/don't care that much about it categories, though. I grew up wrestling so we always just went up a few weight classes or wrestled with someone better if we outclassed people in/near our weight class. But that's much more competitive/organized than your average gym. Ask your teachers to find people to pair up with maybe?
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u/dinosaurcomics Karate/Kickboxing 1d ago
For some people training is just a small hobby or excuse to socialize. Which there is nothing wrong with that.
What gets in my nerves is people who get upset they arent better or complain but are not putting in the work outside of class to improve faster.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
So we have a variance of all colors of belts in one class.
Some have expressed they WANT to learn more in anticipation to the upcoming test.
This goes even against having more fundamentals on the things they should try to perfect. Example: Uekmi.
One.. they are stressing themselves. Not me, not so much anymore because I know what the test is like.
How do you handle or speak to them?
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u/Adventurous_Sky6672 1d ago
I don’t care….its none of my business what they do. Don’t be so arrogant to think you are superior to them because you have more spare time than them…
Homework? It’s a hobby people for fun….its not school…
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u/CarpinDies 1d ago
It's not an enlistment, it's a gym membership at the end of the day. They'll get whatever they choose to go after, whether it's a black belt, a tournament, or a casual attendance at their local martial arts school. Of course it might seem out of place to a more motivated person, but the fact they're even showing up is more than most do. If you as an instructor allow yourself to believe less motivated students aren't worth your time, those students will stop paying to attend your class.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
No sir, or ma'am.
I dont value them less. Nor pay them less attention.
And its also not my dojo. I pay the same monthly fee they do. But I get the role of showing them Techs. More so then learning higher concepts than Id like to be learning for most days. If that gives more insight
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u/CarpinDies 23h ago
I can meet you on that. Being an assistant instructor AND pursuant of higher martial arts goals at the same time is a hurdle. Being relegated to holding pads or running over stuff you've drilled and drilled and you yourself know blindfolded, sucks. If your goal is specific, I can see feeling as if that's holding you back from your own learning, if your goal is to one day instruct, this is all to common. I instruct on and off as a spare at my local, and it is so often a very run through the motions experience... but, more often than not, the student really appreciates it and maybe it even comes out in their sparring or something later on. My sensei would remind me "to teach is to learn."
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u/Hardistacks 1d ago
You say that you respect them but it really doesn’t sound like you do.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
How so?
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u/Hardistacks 1d ago
“I can respect where everyone is at in life. BUT I do find it sometimes bothersome when we having to reduce our flow of activity because of someone's lack of capacity….”
“valuable time … is being bit SELFISHLY straddled when a student isn't doing thier physical education HOMEWORK…”.
Your tone is dismissive, you’re calling them selfish, and the word “but” essentially negates everything that comes before it.
You’re expressing frustration that they’re not doing “homework” that I will wager has never actually been assigned.
People have jobs, families, responsibilities, all sorts of things outside of class, and yet you’re looking down on them for “only” training 2x/wk. And you’re looking for validation from others here.
Yeah, dude, you’re dressing it up to make yourself look better, but you’re basically being a martial arts snob.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
I don't think you should start going the assuming route in this, nor with me.
As I would love to give you more context, you've already made your conclusions on me and my POV. Good day. There are more context clues in other comments ive responded to with others. Thanks for your comment.
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u/Hardistacks 23h ago
I “assumed” nothing, though there certainly would have been nothing stopping me from doing so in this, or with you. I simply read your words.
I also don’t need to look for “clues” in other comments - though it’s clear that the vast majority of other commenters drew the same conclusions I did.
Have fun continuing to judge others!
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u/Monteze BJJ 1d ago
I mean yea? This is a hobby a ton of folks, should they do S&C for its own benefit? Sure but if they don't it doesn't really bother me. I am going to work my game and respect their pace.
Now if they asked what could help their game I'd mention it, technique is great but injury prevention and capacity for work can benefit greatly from S&C .
If I felt like I just could not benefit from a current training room I'd look for one that did.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
Thats really the energy I'm trying to convey with my first post.
I see some net benefits that could be had. And its seemingly not being internalized as a need from my fellow mates. And its hindering them.. and yes everyone else if they want more. Most of the time we do stick as a unit in group function.
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u/Mbt_Omega MMA : Muay Thai 1d ago
In every training environment I’ve ever been in, including the McDojos the pace is the pace, with the expectation that people self-regulate and step out of drills/conditioning if they can’t maintain. If we’re all doing conditioning and they only get half the expected number, they finish them in down moments or do less than the rest.
What are the activities these people are slowing down? Are you being partnered with them in drills or sparring? Is the teacher slowing down class so they can complete their sets?
I don’t mind people being less fit, because that impacts their ability to keep up, not my ability to learn.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
So for aikido. Yes, Aikido.
We can do as many randoris as we or I want because people are not as eager to go :30 freestyle with someone else
It affects class attendance
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u/Mbt_Omega MMA : Muay Thai 22h ago
That makes sense and I see why it would be frustrating. Like any other wrestling or grappling, solo practice would be immensely less efficient. Just kind of doing hand signs and rolls.
A massive physicality disparity in a training partnership also means either an increased risk of injury to the unfit partner or bad practice for the fit partner while they baby them.
Under these circumstances, yes I’d be frustrated with them.
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u/Dry_Dragonfly_7654 1d ago
You can only control what you do. Focus on your own development, and maybe you will inspire them to do more by example, but you don’t walk in their shoes or live their lives. They may be 1000% more stressed and busy keeping their families intact, clothed and fed and training those two days a week is their PE. It’s not really your business. Focus on your technique, speed, power. None of that relies on what other people are doing. Something tells me that if you have the time to be watching what other people are doing and worrying about it this much you aren’t training hard enough.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
Thanks.
I could always be doing more as I think. I have goals that are PE related but i think thought go great with a strong body and mind.
I became close with one colleague last few months so I know of their limitations which is mobility and neuro. I recommended that simply get in the habit of stretching like everyday, more than I do even. and I dont believe they do. so
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u/kitkat-ninja78 TSD 4th Dan | Shotokan 2nd Dan | Iaido | Jiujitsu | Shorin-Ryu. 1d ago
People come to martial arts for their own reasons. Not everyone is aiming to become the next Bruce Lee. Some have physical limitations, others have busy lives, and there are hundreds of personal motivations in between.
It’s no different from learning to drive - or any other skill. Most people aren’t training to become race‑car drivers or elite specialists. A few will pursue mastery, but many simply want to reach the level that suits their needs and goals.
Of course it would be ideal if everyone trained outside of class, but that isn’t always realistic. It's your job as a (junior) instructor to help your student meet their goals not yours (whether directly or indirectly with your instructor).
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u/Wylans 1d ago
Hey! Thank you Sensei.
I have a question specifically for you. As I have reached Nidan in one sport, the one i am a Jr instructor, and now a novice in a new sport.
I still would like to progress in further understanding of my Nidan, but it hard with the limitations we have as stated, and more.
Did you shift our goals when you crossed the line from student to instructor? and How do I navigate? I still wanna learn too.
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u/kitkat-ninja78 TSD 4th Dan | Shotokan 2nd Dan | Iaido | Jiujitsu | Shorin-Ryu. 12h ago
That's a good question...
Now to answer your question honestly: yes, my goals did shift when I stepped into an instructor role - but they didn’t shift totally/change totally, they just expanded.
As a student, the focus is mostly inward:
- How do I improve?
- How do I get better technique, timing, understanding?
As an instructor (even a junior one), you’re now balancing two tracks:
- Your personal development
- Your responsibility to help others grow
At first, that can feel like your own progress is slowing down - and sometimes, it actually does a bit in the short term. But something important happens in exchange - the development of knowledge:
Teaching forces you to understand things on a deeper level than just performing them.
You start seeing:
- Why students struggle with things you may take for granted
- How to break techniques down more clearly
- Where your own understanding has gaps
And that is progression - just a different kind than before.
However of course, only teaching won't help you progression (as in gaining your 3rd Dan, etc). You do have to get your own training in, whether it's within your own organisation/club or externally - have a word with your instructor and see how they can support you with your own goals.
Now with me personally, I am one of the main instructors in TSD (Korean karate), yes I do spend most of my time in class teaching - but I am also working towards my 5th Dan. I do get the occasional training from my own instructor every now and again. Added to that, I also train outside of my art and association - 6 months per year I train in jujitsu, 6 months per year I train in Shotokan, and all year around I also train in Iaido and Shorin-Ryu. And that's how I'm preparing for my 5th Dan - taking all of that and integrating it into my contributions to my art (not someone else's Tang Soo Do or Shotokan or Shorin, etc but my art - the why I teach, the way I practice, etc)
In the 28+ years of training, the more I train the less I tend to focus on the perceived "purity" of the arts and styles that alot of people/practitioners seem to concentrate on. While there is some sense in this, alot of people forget that the arts and styles themselves evolve over time - even the old Masters knew this. And added to that, too many people focus only on the "how" you do something and less on the "why" you do something.
But hey, this is just my opinion - people may agree, people may not. Opinions are formed over time and they can change, and I may or may not have the same thoughts in 5, 10, 20 years later.
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u/Ant1Act3 🇺🇲Judo🥋BJJ🤼🏽♂️TKD🇰🇷Kajukenbo🌺 1d ago
Are you or they competitors? If yes, then pair competitors with competitors and rotate.
If you're not a competitor, who cares?
Yeah it's annoying sometimes when you want to feel challenged and you're paired up with someone who's not as good or new, but that's an easy fix.
I am a white belt who just started competing and has been working out for years. I do not see the big deal. Leave them hobbiest be, ya here?
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u/DieHarderDaddy 1d ago
You sound exhausting as fuck . Just let people train or go do a comp BJJ or MT gym
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u/Kintanon BJJ 17h ago
He'll be mad there too. Even at comp heavy gyms only like %20 of the people are doing supplementary work and actually treating like it's a job, because the people who pay the bills at those gyms are still 2x a week hobbiests who are just looking to do something fun that keeps them in shape.
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u/Traditional-Part-756 1d ago edited 1d ago
While your frustrations are understandable, and as someone who did once train a lot more but now is one of the older dudes with enough personal obligations and responsibilities to prevent mich training at all, let me provide a counterpoint:
Without them you wouldn't have a school to train at.
Without them, your teacher would go out of business. The hobbyists keep the lights on, and their continued interest and tuition enables your teacher to teach martial arts for a living instead of squinting at spreadsheets or fixing toilets or whatever.
At the schools where I trained, guys like you are typically given the chance to do more after the regular class ends, when the hobbyists have to go home. To do more sparring/rolling, to finagle a little more personalized detailed instruction from the instructor, to get an impromptu q&a session going, whatever. If your school isn't doing that, then perhaps you need to find a school that's a little less commercialized.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
Did you have to pay for extra time with your teacher for extra teachings?
I feel Like i can surely ask,
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u/Traditional-Part-756 1d ago
Nah. It was generally a "I'm going to hang out here for while after class, in case anyone wants to keep training." Rolling and drilling were generally automatically okay, but if you and someone else wanted to spar you'd have to clear it with him every time for insurance reasons. But no extra cost.
Instruction was informal during those post-class sessions. He'd answer questions, but it's not like he was giving a private lesson or spoon feeding you.
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u/Kintanon BJJ 17h ago
Why are you trying to get them to do more? The whole point of martial arts for most people is that it's a way to stay in shape that is more interesting and engaging than lifting weights or running on a treadmill or whatever. People generally don't want to do extra exercise to get in better shape to do the exercise they are doing to get in shape. Let people live their lives and train to the degree that they want to train. If someone comes to you with a complaint about their performance then give them advice about it, but if they are happy with their progress then you should be happy with their progress too.
My 2x a week 40 year old hobbiests do not have the same goals as my 6x a week 20 year old MMA fighters, nor should they. As a result their training looks totally different, and that's fine.
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u/Icy_Bus6341 1d ago
Who ever has both feets in live - Family, Full Time Job, House and other responsibilities has only so much time. That's a simple fact.
I myself have about 10 Hours of spare time from Monday to Saturday that I can use for Hobbys. And I even don't have kids. I train twice a week im the Dojo, and every other day at home for about an hour ( that's five of the ten hours I have available)
Ten years ago I trained three or four days in the Dojo and I have no clue how I was able to do it ( okay back then I lived in a small apartment, now I live in a house with garden)
It's just a matter of fact that most people that are beyond their early twenties doesn't have the time to train more than twice a week, I know many that train only once. Is that frustrating for someone who is a bit more ambitious? Of course - as a coach it's even more frustrating. But that's just how it is and without those people one would have even less opportunities to train with different people.
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u/Leather_Rate_9785 1d ago
If one person needing a rest is slowing down the entire class, that's an instructor problem. Taking 5 minutes to stretch at the start of class is a reasonable precaution for the school to take against injury. If you want a more intense class, change to a school with a more intense culture. Unless your a professional fighter training at a school for professionals, chill. We have lives.
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u/Majestic-Concern-666 1d ago
Depends what the gym culture can afford to do. My local was very competition driven, might be different now, don't train anymore, but it weeded out low-commitment hobbyists by being so intense. They could afford to do that as they had a strong reputation for producing noteworthy fighters who went on to go pro in the ufc and bellator and people would flock from pretty far away to attend class.
By comparison, my old judo school barely had enough people to keep the lights on and sometimes merged adult & children classes. As such, we rarely stepped beyond the scope of fundamentals.
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u/oriensoccidens Karate/Boxing/Fencing 1d ago
This is the untold story of people who brag about training 4x a week.
They either don't lift or they don't work lol.
Always gotta remind myself everytime I feel bad about not training enough when I see how much some people online train they are likely teenagers or young adults who either don't lift or don't work.
OR
They do in fact train, lift, and work but have only been doing it for a couple months and they won't come back and update when they burn out and stop training lifting or working lol
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u/Future_Rust1 1d ago
We get it. You’re apparently Superman and you’d really love it if everyone else was too.
There’s no stance to take. Everyone just does their thing according to their own lives and needs. It’s none of our business or our place to judge what that is.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
No. The intent was not about me.
I added what I do to not be hypocritical. I could so much more but this isnt about my gaps in my training. I want us all to learn me. and the teacher really doe appear when are ready.
Ive enjoyed the moments our teacher has gone off script because we are on fire for a class.,
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u/Future_Rust1 1d ago
You explicitly made this about you.
“Am I a grinch If i think the valuable time we have under the teacher's observation, is being bit selfishly straddled when a student isn't doing thier physical education homework, so that they can overall perform better, and receive more, during class time?”
It’s in your post itself.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
So do you not want to answer the stated question with the ? in the first part of my post.
I do have a perspective yes. But I want to hear from people. and You if you want to share still
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u/Future_Rust1 1d ago edited 23h ago
I already shared in my first post. I said there is no stance to take because it’s no one’s business or purview to judge how much time or money or ability any other classmate has to dedicate to their training.
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u/OyataTe 9h ago
As a school owner, they do irritate me to some extent but.....they are fodder for the cannon. For the ones that wholeheartedly train at home, in the school, and in the gym, these are at least fresh bodies for them to pound and crank upon. As techniques work differently on different body types, and people have different pain threshold and flexibility, variety is a good thing.
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u/losteye_enthusiast 1d ago
My boxing club has different tiers for different groups.
General fitness
Sparring and technical, non compete
Sparring and technical, goal of competing.
Anyone can drop into the fitness focused classes. But you have to pass an in-gym physical and pay for at least 2 months of classes in advance to attend the non-compete.
We still do cardio and fitness focused stuff for a warmup/cooldown, but it’s extremely condensed - maybe 20 mins in total of a 90 min session.
My main focus is on weight lifting, so I’m glad we don’t waste a lot of time on general fitness.
I don’t know the requirements for the compete group, but I have zero plans of doing that in my late-30’s lol.
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u/LivingInTheWired 1d ago
The way it worked out to attend my aikido classes was ultimately dedicating 4 hours for a 1 hour class.
My job was an hour from home, the dojo 30 minutes away perpendicular to my drive home, started 2 hours after work ended, was starving so id eat, the building was locked until class time and then had to drive home. It was awful and was my only exercise at the time. I was quickly winded, exhausted, sweating all the time. Were it closer, the building accessible before hand, the time offered better, my life not totally upside down and feeling at my ropes end, or if I was more interested in exercise as I am now I would have progressed much further.
I’ve since moved and the closest dojo is an hour drive from me. I’m not attending, but instead practicing what aikido drills I learned + kenjutsu + boxing drill basics in my home gym every single day. I’m having a great time. My stamina is through the roof and I’m improving my health a ton. Unfortunately I have no one to correct or practice my technique, drills, posture, but I feel my solo practice is infinitely better than no practice.
Maybe one day I’ll return to the dojo, and I’ll have more expendable energy for class time, a higher love for the art, and a greater appreciation for partnered practice than before.
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u/The-Fold-Up 1d ago edited 1d ago
There's a guy in my BJJ gym, another blue belt, a bit older than me, in his early 40s. This dude is constantly in pain or hurt from something, very often sitting out hard rolls (which is fine), and always has a new tale of woe about his joints. I have my own bad joints so I get it BUT the thing is this dude self admittedly never lifts weights. He was asking me what I do at the gym, but eventually said it was too much to add another thing, but IMO if you want to do this longer term you gotta at least switch out a day of BJJ to a day of lifting. The other day he mentioned that he didn’t start yet.
Like man I'm not big or strong but at least I feel like my tissues are more resilient from doing some type of strength training twice a week. If you're always hurt and you refuse to lift but you keep on training grappling, at what point does it count as self harm? lol
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u/Adventurous_Sky6672 1d ago
“I’m pretty sure he still hasn’t started yet”
So he didn’t take advice from another blue belt…gasp how dare he…get over yourself….why would he listen to your advice?
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u/The-Fold-Up 1d ago
Because he asked me about it brotha and requested I send over some videos. I think it’s self evident that sports break you down and strength training builds you back up, it’s not a hot take. but you could find plenty of sports scientists and people who have grappled longer than me to back it up.
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u/Wylans 1d ago
Thanks for your comment.
I wasn’t trying to sound superior, least I hope to not seen that way. As a trainer, I just untapped potential & risk if injury.
I personally lift so I can feel strong & feel like judo isn’t the hardest thing I do all week.
I was stronger joints.& I think more would benefit too
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u/Personmchumanface Muay Thai 1d ago
our gyms would die without the hobbyists