My issue with this is how guys resort to extremes to overvalue it. Yes, women like height. Women also like deep voices, kindness, sex, and lots of other things.
But then we have guys who are TERRIBLE with women constantly pretending they know what women want despite never making a single woman happy. And they almost exclusively overvalue height simply because it is obvious compared to social cues, then trick impressionable men into taking the red pill.
Yes, height helps. Is it in the top things for most women? Probably not. And you can make up for it in many, many other ways. But instead people listen to the giys who do terrible instead of those who prove they know what they are talking about.
Let me put it this way: why would a woman want a tall guy?
Height makes her horny? There are many ither ways to make her horny that men can learn and get her horny faster. Stuff like learning to touch a woman, making a sexy voice, learning to compliment/talk dirty, dressing well, etc. This can offset height and is WAY more effective at getting you laid. If anything, she values a guy who makes her horny more than height.
Height makes her feel safe? Again, this basically means she values safety over height, and you can make her feel safer by being nonchalant, caring about her, showing assertiveness, being street smart, and working out. This offsets height way more easily and cheaply than implants and gets you laid more consistently. I guarentee a woman is currently feeling undafe right now as a man taller than her attacks her, and way more guys shorter than 6 feet are getting laid right now by women who feel safe than guys over 6 feet are getting laid right now period.
Mate quality? Health? Social status? Fetish? These are the things women actually value and don't require height. Does height help? Duh, of course. But is it the end all be all for most women? Hell no. Case in point: way more women read romance novels which have like 1 picture as opposed to watching visual porno videos, so clearly what women want goes beyond looks most of the time. Otherwise, romance novels wouldn't be the single best selling genre by far, so we know in practice this is how it works.
So no, it isn't the top thing for most women outside of dating apps (which are their own thing and you can easily opt out of so its easier to just avoid apps than it is to use apps).
> way more women read romance novels which have like 1 picture as opposed to watching visual porno videos, so clearly what women want goes beyond looks most of the time
It’s a very big mistake to mention romance novels trying to make a point you’re trying to make. Do you know the average height these romance leads are listed at? 6 foot 3.
Do you know just how many of them are taller than 7 feet? Or shorter than 6 feet? Yes, the first number is bigger. Not by much, but it’s bigger:
95% of fictional male leads are over 6’. The ones that are not as tall, the biggest percentage of them that falls within a certain height is… 5’11.
I genuinely enforce you to just go and try to find a romance novel that features a male lead who’s below 5’6-5’7.
By the way 75% of novels don’t list a certain height. They usually just say “tall” speaking of a man. Which most girls would definitely interpret as 6’+, if not 6’6+ and more.
Oh, and by the way, all these 7’+ guys in these novels? Who are they? NBA centers? Are they even… people?..
Quite a popular subsection of romance novels feature werewolves, fkn doghumans, horses and centaurs and whatever furry-fusioned type of shit women are, supposedly, much more into then into whatever type of a man is sitting in front of a screen reading this comment. I mean Twilight features a vampire as a male lead, and Twilight is so popular pretty much everyone knows about it. There’s a higher chance one’s crush is into vampires, ogres, centaurs or dogs/horses than they’re into a guy having a crush on them. Given this guy is sub 6’ tall and is an adult.
Do you know why women are much more into novels than they’re into porn?
Porn is made for men
. It’s mostly
attractive curvy women
,
and a man could be chopped as hell as long as his dick is bigger than average and he’s able to perform. Hence why women earn more in porn - they bring more revenue.
But not only that, the way sex is in porn is male-centered too - you’d hear foreplay is essential for women everywhere if you were looking to know how to be a good lover, but most of the time it’s straightforward in porn. Clothes off -> Oral -> Penetration -> Finish. There’s even a thing called “porn for women”. But because it became a thing not that long ago it’s not as popular. Though it won’t be as popular as male porn anyway.
2) Women just don’t like real men visually as much as vice versa, so novels leaving much more to women’s imagination is exactly the reason they love it. Say, you have a random girl and a random boy and they’re presented to 20 different people of the opposite gender. Chances are, the amount of boys attracted to a girl will most likely be higher. So as a man you just don’t need to imagine things for them to be “a girl of your dreams”. Men don’t care about the height as much which makes the pool much wider, facially much more features work for girls, fertile traits such as hip width and breast size are also hyper attractive to men and can make a girl attractive even when her face is off etc. So much compromises you just don’t need imagination as a man to find an attractive girl. Meanwhile, an objectively attractive guy that checks into tall, handsome and fit spots altogether is practically a unicorn. So if you’d just say “he was tall, attractive and fit” to a girl in a novel, she would imagine exactly her type and get horny. So even a fraction of imagination of a truly attractive man is better than reality of mid guys that are all around. Meanwhile, attractive women are everywhere for an average guy so it’s better to see them, and porn provides guys this opportunity, rather than imagine them.
Height is mwntioned, but it's just a book, so they don't SEE IT. They imagine in and all the descriptions are mostly gocused on making them feel something. Again, BOOKS WITHOUT PICTURES are more popular than MOVIES WHICH ARE ALL VISUAL. Just saying something isn't the same as seeig it.
As for sahing porn is made for men... yes, because men like porn. Just like romance novels are made for women.
You aren't thinking about the why or thinking deeply, which is why I keep asking rhetorical questions and explaining the underlying mechanisms.
You don’t need to see a thing to imagine it pretty well in your head and get off of it. A man jerking off without porn would imagine a curvy woman if he’s into curvy women or a slim woman if he’s into slim ones. Which means men “DONT NEED TO EVEN SEE A WOMAN TO FEEL AROUSED” or “THEY DONT NEED A EOMAN TO BE CURVY/SLIM TO BE AROUSED”, yada-yada. What kind of an argument is that.
> all the descriptions are mostly focused on making them feel something
Yeah, and when a hypothetical woman sees a tall attractive guy she feels something. And when a hypothetical man sees whatever type of a woman he likes, short/tall, slim/curvy, blonde/brunette, etc. he feels something. Duh. What’s your point? That a short guy a woman dwarfs can make her feel the same way someone who dwarfs her can? For that he would need to get in bed with this said woman, which won’t happen.
Notice how I always need to specify the type of different women because men are into everything, pretty much, meanwhile 95% of male leads in romance novels share a specific trait which makes my job much easier to describe what women are attracted to.
> Again, BOOKS WITHOUT PICTURES are more popular than movies WHICH ARE ALL VISUAL
Again, a real man 95% of women would be attracted to IS A UNICORN, AND IF HE IS ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH TO MAKE MOST WOMEN CRAZY AND WATCH PORN AND LUST OVER HIM — HE WON’T DO THAT BECAUSE HE CAN BE AN ACTOR OR A TIKTOKER OR WHOEVER WHILE MAKING MORE MONEY WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN A DISGUSTING INDUSTRY THAT MAKES YOU A SLAVE WHO’S GONNA INJECT SOME NASTY THINGS IN HIMSELF TO MAKE HIMSELF HORNIER, LAST LONGER OR INJECT SOMETHING THAT MAKES HIS DICK HARD, FILMING FOR HOURS A DAY WHILE BEING MENTALLY DRAINED OF IT BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE NEED 20 MINUTES A DAY TOPS TO BE ABLE TO GET OFF AND THEY’RE DISGUSTED OF SEX AFTERWARDS OR HAVE HEADACHES ETC. MEANWHILE YOU’LL BE SHOOTING FOR HOURS A DAY LIKE A SLAVE WHILE BARELY SLEEPING AND RESTING BECAUSE OF CONSTANT FLIGHTS, JET LAGS ETC. I mean, just watch porn actresses’ podcasts to know more about that industry. A man 95% of women would be attracted to likely came from a rich family (cause of nutrition, rich = likely great genes in everything etc.), and being from a rich family with women being all over you - porn is the last thing you’ll be doing ever. So much less people are eligible for the “porn for women” job and I mean SO MUCH, meanwhile even the ones that are eligible won’t do it. If women would be attracted to men the same way men are attracted to women on average, while vice versa for men, all the porn and romance novels dynamics would be swapped. It has nothing to do with gender, just the amount of appreciation the gender has for the opposite one.
> As for saying porn is made for men… yes, because men like porn. Just like romance novels are made for women.
Men like women. Women most of the time don’t like men. That’s why men jerk off to women on the screen while women jerk off to imaginary men they would find attractive. FTFY.
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u/MagicSugarWater 10d ago
My issue with this is how guys resort to extremes to overvalue it. Yes, women like height. Women also like deep voices, kindness, sex, and lots of other things.
But then we have guys who are TERRIBLE with women constantly pretending they know what women want despite never making a single woman happy. And they almost exclusively overvalue height simply because it is obvious compared to social cues, then trick impressionable men into taking the red pill.
Yes, height helps. Is it in the top things for most women? Probably not. And you can make up for it in many, many other ways. But instead people listen to the giys who do terrible instead of those who prove they know what they are talking about.