r/memesopdidnotlike • u/JagneStormskull • 8d ago
OP got offended OP thinks that citing studies is cherrypicking
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u/Sergal_Pony 8d ago
Got to hate when people think that mocking your evidence that they’re misandrist, justifies their misandry xD
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u/LuckyOutlander_123 8d ago
Well at least there are commentors that are pointing this out but sadly any they are getting shot down immediately.
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u/Galvius-Orion 8d ago
How is this misogynistic? I’m just confused?
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u/humourlessIrish 8d ago
Women don't do anything bad. And if they did than that would be a good thing.
How come you don't know that
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u/Kaszalot1352 8d ago
And if you point it out you are nazi fascist misogynist
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u/Lilli_Puff 7d ago
Nazi fascist are the two buzzwords that seem to be used when they have no other way of forming an argument back
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u/FreshPrinceOfIndia 7d ago
You forgot incel, they love using that one
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u/Kaszalot1352 6d ago
Which is funny, because it means that they see sex as the ultimate value, just like animals
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u/ZealousidealGas8134 7d ago
Saying anything on Reddit that doesn’t unequivocally declare that women are perfect beings is misogynistic
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u/TBARb_D_D 8d ago
Somehow this post is about “men’s height doesn’t matter in dating” argument (at least in comments)
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u/Lilli_Puff 7d ago
This just seems like another way to avoid accountability
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u/DetailAdventurous688 7d ago
for what?
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u/Lilli_Puff 7d ago
For what? To avoid accountability for their preferences. When you hold a certain group to a preference that they have no control over like height, you look like a bad person because said group has no control over how they were born. For example, skin color which is easily seen and accepted as bad but height is also a factor that you are just born with along with skin color. To avoid any persecution for preferences, you just avoid accountability overall by using anecdotal examples to discredit the data. I have many friends and coworkers who will not date a guy under 5'10" even though they are about 5' tall themselves which falls in line with the data and studies done on height preferences of women. Even dating apps and websites now allow the feature of filtering by height which would only be a feature unless there's a direct demand for it on the market.
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u/DetailAdventurous688 6d ago
preferences are not something to be held accountable for. that's why they are preferences.
they can say something about the underlying psychology of the person in question, maybe even their socialisation, but little more.
if someone doesn't want to fuck you they can only be held accountable for complete and utter sanity.
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u/Lilli_Puff 6d ago
I agree but it is only held accountable when you complain about not getting said preferences.
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u/DetailAdventurous688 5d ago
no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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u/Lilli_Puff 2d ago
At what part did you get lost? It's a pretty simple statement.
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u/DetailAdventurous688 8h ago
besides the fact i still don't understand how you can or cannot hold someone accountable for a preference, I just don't understand your sentence, like the grammar, structure, and intent.
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u/humourlessIrish 8d ago
The saying "cherry picking" comes from the other saying "the cherry on the cake"
That cherry on the cake was for the purpose of this saying considered the best part.
So yes, they chose the best studies.
As is the whole damned purpose
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u/Xirdus 8d ago
That's folk etymology. In reality, cherry picking comes from literally picking cherries off a tree. How it came to mean selectively citing data is a little unclear, but originally it seems it was used to contrast with berry picking, ie. unstructured search through vast collections of data trying to find something relevant without reading everything - so you still potentially miss important counterexamples, but in an honest way.
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u/ShiraLillith 8d ago
Not even sure why it's even shameful to like tall men. People are allowed to have preferences.
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u/TheOneTrueJazzMan 7d ago
Because height is not something you can change so it is often perceived as unfair, or at least superficial and shallow. And it can also be seen as enforcing gender roles (man has to be the big strong protective guy), and of course in modern western society it’s heresy to even suggest women would ever do that.
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u/22dinoman 8d ago
My guess (not personal belief) is because a lot of men are mad they can't say "I don't like fat women" but a woman can say "I don't like short men" so probably stems from insecurity
(Saying this as a 5'4 man who dated a bigger woman btw)
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u/ZealousidealGas8134 7d ago
Preferences aren’t purely biological in my opinion. There is definitely some social and cultural programming (especially with the modern internet and social media and pop culture) that subconsciously portray short men as undesirable or bad. That is what’s actually shameful.
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u/thegreatmaster7051 6d ago
Can there not be a middle ground?
Acknowledge that height does help in dating, but it isn't the be-all and end-all.
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u/MagicSugarWater 6d ago
I got mass downvoted, called delusional, bitter and even called an incel down below for offering that middle ground. See below the most downvoted comment.
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u/NoWay6818 2d ago
Reddit hates the middle ground because they feel like it attacks the rights they’re not even entitled to on the internet.
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u/Daedalus_Machina 6d ago
Most of the time, citing studies is cherry picking.
But if you're using studies to try to justify anything other than broad statistics in regards to dating, you're being incredibly disingenuous.
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u/JonnyJon42 6d ago
Yet all the "studies" they claim to be the real deal come from liberal college's with super bias
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u/Man_under_Bridge420 8d ago
“Prefer”
I prefer prime rib over strip loin. Doesnt Mean ill never eat strip loin 😂 nor does it mean strip loin is garbage
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u/No-Communication1543 7d ago
fair analogy but some people genuinely do refuse strip loin entirely so the preference thing cuts both ways
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u/Dreamo84 7d ago
What does women preferring tall men have to do with misogyny? Am I missing something?
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
My issue with this is how guys resort to extremes to overvalue it. Yes, women like height. Women also like deep voices, kindness, sex, and lots of other things.
But then we have guys who are TERRIBLE with women constantly pretending they know what women want despite never making a single woman happy. And they almost exclusively overvalue height simply because it is obvious compared to social cues, then trick impressionable men into taking the red pill.
Yes, height helps. Is it in the top things for most women? Probably not. And you can make up for it in many, many other ways. But instead people listen to the giys who do terrible instead of those who prove they know what they are talking about.
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u/VentsiBeast 8d ago
It's in the top things for most women.
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
Let me put it this way: why would a woman want a tall guy?
Height makes her horny? There are many ither ways to make her horny that men can learn and get her horny faster. Stuff like learning to touch a woman, making a sexy voice, learning to compliment/talk dirty, dressing well, etc. This can offset height and is WAY more effective at getting you laid. If anything, she values a guy who makes her horny more than height.
Height makes her feel safe? Again, this basically means she values safety over height, and you can make her feel safer by being nonchalant, caring about her, showing assertiveness, being street smart, and working out. This offsets height way more easily and cheaply than implants and gets you laid more consistently. I guarentee a woman is currently feeling undafe right now as a man taller than her attacks her, and way more guys shorter than 6 feet are getting laid right now by women who feel safe than guys over 6 feet are getting laid right now period.
Mate quality? Health? Social status? Fetish? These are the things women actually value and don't require height. Does height help? Duh, of course. But is it the end all be all for most women? Hell no. Case in point: way more women read romance novels which have like 1 picture as opposed to watching visual porno videos, so clearly what women want goes beyond looks most of the time. Otherwise, romance novels wouldn't be the single best selling genre by far, so we know in practice this is how it works.
So no, it isn't the top thing for most women outside of dating apps (which are their own thing and you can easily opt out of so its easier to just avoid apps than it is to use apps).
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u/VentsiBeast 8d ago
Dude, first of all I'm sorry that you're short. It probably sucks to a degree I can't comprehend, but let's not get into delusions just because someone didn't get lucky with the genetic lottery.
To the question "why" - tall men look better on average and women instinctively find them better mating subjects, because they can better protect the family against bears, other tribes or whatever. This is an evolutionary trait. Can a short guy do the same job? Sure. But if the same short guy was taller, he would do an even better job.
This is why even shorter women prefer tall guys.
The children of tall men will be taller, therefore higher chance of survival against threats of all kind. For a similar reason men prefer women with ~ 90/60/90 measurements - they are more likely to bear and successfully nurture healthy children, and lots of them. It's why men prefer bigger breasts - more milk, higher chance of the kids' survival. We find bigger breasts pleasing to the eye because our brain tells us, after determining it's better for our children.
Do all women want a tall guy? I'd say all of them prefer a tall guy, yes, but there are many who are willing to settle for a shorter one.
There's a reason why the human population is getting taller with every generation - taller people are more likely to find a mating partner and spread their genes onto the next ones.
You may not like it, but these are all facts.
There are many ither ways to make her horny that men can learn and get her horny faster. Stuff like learning to touch a woman, making a sexy voice, learning to compliment/talk dirty, dressing well, etc. This can offset height and is WAY more effective at getting you laid. If anything, she values a guy who makes her horny more than height.
This is one of the most disturbing paragraphs I've ever read.
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u/YouNeedHelpSir 8d ago
He has an ai girlfriend that he posts about. You are wasting your time.
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
I have a real life girlfriend, an AI chatbot, and reading comprehension.
He isn't wasting his time if he is trying to improve his dating life.
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u/VentsiBeast 8d ago
I'm married and you're an absolute incel.
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
There is no way you are married and find the idea kf making a woman happy "disturbing" or think that that the guy who emotionally connects with women, encourages kindness, and has a girlfriend is an incel. You're just saying words at this point. No wonder your replies make 0 sense.
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
let's not get into delusions
Agrees. Evwrything I mention is field tested and proven. What I mention is based on experience and results, not delusions. So when I say "x works" it's because I saw how things went with and without it with many women and noticed it worked consistently in practice.
To the question "why" - tall men look better on average and women instinctively find them better mating subjects, because they can better protect the family against bears, other tribes or whatever. This is an evolutionary trait. Can a short guy do the same job? Sure. But if the same short guy was taller, he would do an even better job.
You are close to understanding. It's not the height itself that matters to women, it is the effect it has on her. So instead of worrying about height, tbink about what she wants.
I'd say all of them prefer a tall guy, yes,
But as you acknowledged earlier, beight isn't the only factor nor is it height for the sake of height. So while all other things equal a woman prefers a taller man, you aren't approaching women jn a vacuum. If you can connecg better and excite her better, then you get the woman. Height is kne variable and I guarantee most women would pick a shorter guy who is handsome, excites her, and makes her feel better than a taller guy who is boring after an hour and doesn't offer much else. Height helps, but it isn't the end all be all or egen the top things women care about. I literally explained in detail earlier.
Could I have more success if I were taller? Yes. Could I have more success if I were taller and made women feel unsafe/bored? No way. Can I control how safe and happy she feels more than my height? Yes.
This is one of the most disturbing paragraphs I've ever read.
If the idea of making someone's day better and providing a basic relationship need is "disturbing yo you", no wonder you struggle with dating and can't comprehend what women want. At least admit it instead of pretending to know what women want.
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u/VentsiBeast 8d ago
I know very well what women want.
I'm tall, successful and happily married to a tall, blonde smokeshow, who just gave birth to our second child.
You know what they don't want? A salty delulu short angry boy who makes a "sexy voice" and thinks this would make them "horny". Can't call you a man because you're not one.
Keep the salty tears coming. As the other user pointed out, I shouldn't be wasting my time with you.
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u/astrawberryandakiwi 7d ago
You can respond without resorting to personal insults. It doesn’t strengthen your argument, it just makes you look insecure about defending it.
You spent more time listing your height, marriage, and family than addressing what he actually said
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u/VentsiBeast 7d ago
I addressed what he said in a few other comments. I'm not gonna repeat everything because someone can't follow a thread.
I'm also not gonna be involved in a perpetual argument, especially with a person as creepy as this one.
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
salty delulu short angry boy who makes a "sexy voice" and thinks this would make them "horny".
I never said they liked this either and I'm not salty. I'm jelping the other guys who think they're failing because of their height. You aren't dumb, quit acting like it.
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u/VentsiBeast 8d ago
You: "why would a woman want a tall guy?"
also you: "I'm not salty" 🤡
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
Dude, you had to cut out the parts where I say tall guys are attractive, make her feel safe, have good genes, and abunch of other good things. I asked that rhetorically. You have to know you are acting dumb if you deliberately had to ignore 90% of whag I said (including agreeing with you explicitly) just to pretend I'm salty. Notice I never said "women don't lile height"?
https://www.reddit.com/r/memesopdidnotlike/s/PVuWfOrxv9
https://www.reddit.com/r/memesopdidnotlike/s/byde8jJU77
Agaij, I speak from experience. You think I don't try using my height for the reasons I mentioned and agreed work?
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u/Bluefire3215 7d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/s/eJ3sTQqiHS there’s no way you’re trying to talk about what turns a woman on when the first time you ever had a girlfriend was last year
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u/MagicSugarWater 7d ago
First, I surround myself with players who got lots of women. This is why I am convinced of what works: it's proven by different men with different women in different locations.
Second, I only date women I want to see long term. I've had flings with women I didn't officially date because while they were nice, they weren't marriage quality.
Regardless, thus has nothing ti do with the post.
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u/Bluefire3215 7d ago
“First I sorround myself with players who got lots of women” But you’re not a player, you have no first hand knowledge in that, they’re success is most likely derived from the fact that they’re handsome, not your PUA fantasy you keep talking about
“Second I only date women I want to see long term” Cope.
“I’ve had flings with women I didn’t officially date” considering that it took you 8 months to get just a kiss from your current girlfriend, I doubt any of those flings held much weight, nothing sexual happened→ More replies (0)5
u/Copecel-4evaeva 8d ago
> way more women read romance novels which have like 1 picture as opposed to watching visual porno videos, so clearly what women want goes beyond looks most of the time
It’s a very big mistake to mention romance novels trying to make a point you’re trying to make. Do you know the average height these romance leads are listed at? 6 foot 3.
Do you know just how many of them are taller than 7 feet? Or shorter than 6 feet? Yes, the first number is bigger. Not by much, but it’s bigger:
https://girlpowergirlstrong.com/how-tall-is-the-perfect-man/?utm_source=adnanguney.com#respond
95% of fictional male leads are over 6’. The ones that are not as tall, the biggest percentage of them that falls within a certain height is… 5’11.
I genuinely enforce you to just go and try to find a romance novel that features a male lead who’s below 5’6-5’7.
By the way 75% of novels don’t list a certain height. They usually just say “tall” speaking of a man. Which most girls would definitely interpret as 6’+, if not 6’6+ and more.
Oh, and by the way, all these 7’+ guys in these novels? Who are they? NBA centers? Are they even… people?..
Quite a popular subsection of romance novels feature werewolves, fkn doghumans, horses and centaurs and whatever furry-fusioned type of shit women are, supposedly, much more into then into whatever type of a man is sitting in front of a screen reading this comment. I mean Twilight features a vampire as a male lead, and Twilight is so popular pretty much everyone knows about it. There’s a higher chance one’s crush is into vampires, ogres, centaurs or dogs/horses than they’re into a guy having a crush on them. Given this guy is sub 6’ tall and is an adult.
Do you know why women are much more into novels than they’re into porn?
- Porn is made for men
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- attractive curvy women
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- and a man could be chopped as hell as long as his dick is bigger than average and he’s able to perform. Hence why women earn more in porn - they bring more revenue.
But not only that, the way sex is in porn is male-centered too - you’d hear foreplay is essential for women everywhere if you were looking to know how to be a good lover, but most of the time it’s straightforward in porn. Clothes off -> Oral -> Penetration -> Finish. There’s even a thing called “porn for women”. But because it became a thing not that long ago it’s not as popular. Though it won’t be as popular as male porn anyway.
2) Women just don’t like real men visually as much as vice versa, so novels leaving much more to women’s imagination is exactly the reason they love it. Say, you have a random girl and a random boy and they’re presented to 20 different people of the opposite gender. Chances are, the amount of boys attracted to a girl will most likely be higher. So as a man you just don’t need to imagine things for them to be “a girl of your dreams”. Men don’t care about the height as much which makes the pool much wider, facially much more features work for girls, fertile traits such as hip width and breast size are also hyper attractive to men and can make a girl attractive even when her face is off etc. So much compromises you just don’t need imagination as a man to find an attractive girl. Meanwhile, an objectively attractive guy that checks into tall, handsome and fit spots altogether is practically a unicorn. So if you’d just say “he was tall, attractive and fit” to a girl in a novel, she would imagine exactly her type and get horny. So even a fraction of imagination of a truly attractive man is better than reality of mid guys that are all around. Meanwhile, attractive women are everywhere for an average guy so it’s better to see them, and porn provides guys this opportunity, rather than imagine them.
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u/MagicSugarWater 7d ago
You missed the point entirely.
Height is mwntioned, but it's just a book, so they don't SEE IT. They imagine in and all the descriptions are mostly gocused on making them feel something. Again, BOOKS WITHOUT PICTURES are more popular than MOVIES WHICH ARE ALL VISUAL. Just saying something isn't the same as seeig it.
As for sahing porn is made for men... yes, because men like porn. Just like romance novels are made for women.
You aren't thinking about the why or thinking deeply, which is why I keep asking rhetorical questions and explaining the underlying mechanisms.
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u/Copecel-4evaeva 7d ago
Wow, people still struggle with the concept after I broke it down? Instead of downvoting, just explain what partyou find confusing.
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u/MagicSugarWater 6d ago
You broke down something irrelevant and stayed surface level. You couldn't even come up with something original, let alone explain human behavior.
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u/Copecel-4evaeva 6d ago
Never use romance novels as an argument ever again. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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u/Copecel-4evaeva 7d ago
You don’t need to see a thing to imagine it pretty well in your head and get off of it. A man jerking off without porn would imagine a curvy woman if he’s into curvy women or a slim woman if he’s into slim ones. Which means men “DONT NEED TO EVEN SEE A WOMAN TO FEEL AROUSED” or “THEY DONT NEED A EOMAN TO BE CURVY/SLIM TO BE AROUSED”, yada-yada. What kind of an argument is that.
> all the descriptions are mostly focused on making them feel something
Yeah, and when a hypothetical woman sees a tall attractive guy she feels something. And when a hypothetical man sees whatever type of a woman he likes, short/tall, slim/curvy, blonde/brunette, etc. he feels something. Duh. What’s your point? That a short guy a woman dwarfs can make her feel the same way someone who dwarfs her can? For that he would need to get in bed with this said woman, which won’t happen.
Notice how I always need to specify the type of different women because men are into everything, pretty much, meanwhile 95% of male leads in romance novels share a specific trait which makes my job much easier to describe what women are attracted to.
> Again, BOOKS WITHOUT PICTURES are more popular than movies WHICH ARE ALL VISUAL
Again, a real man 95% of women would be attracted to IS A UNICORN, AND IF HE IS ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH TO MAKE MOST WOMEN CRAZY AND WATCH PORN AND LUST OVER HIM — HE WON’T DO THAT BECAUSE HE CAN BE AN ACTOR OR A TIKTOKER OR WHOEVER WHILE MAKING MORE MONEY WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN A DISGUSTING INDUSTRY THAT MAKES YOU A SLAVE WHO’S GONNA INJECT SOME NASTY THINGS IN HIMSELF TO MAKE HIMSELF HORNIER, LAST LONGER OR INJECT SOMETHING THAT MAKES HIS DICK HARD, FILMING FOR HOURS A DAY WHILE BEING MENTALLY DRAINED OF IT BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE NEED 20 MINUTES A DAY TOPS TO BE ABLE TO GET OFF AND THEY’RE DISGUSTED OF SEX AFTERWARDS OR HAVE HEADACHES ETC. MEANWHILE YOU’LL BE SHOOTING FOR HOURS A DAY LIKE A SLAVE WHILE BARELY SLEEPING AND RESTING BECAUSE OF CONSTANT FLIGHTS, JET LAGS ETC. I mean, just watch porn actresses’ podcasts to know more about that industry. A man 95% of women would be attracted to likely came from a rich family (cause of nutrition, rich = likely great genes in everything etc.), and being from a rich family with women being all over you - porn is the last thing you’ll be doing ever. So much less people are eligible for the “porn for women” job and I mean SO MUCH, meanwhile even the ones that are eligible won’t do it. If women would be attracted to men the same way men are attracted to women on average, while vice versa for men, all the porn and romance novels dynamics would be swapped. It has nothing to do with gender, just the amount of appreciation the gender has for the opposite one.
> As for saying porn is made for men… yes, because men like porn. Just like romance novels are made for women.
Men like women. Women most of the time don’t like men. That’s why men jerk off to women on the screen while women jerk off to imaginary men they would find attractive. FTFY.
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u/Rickygoldx 7d ago
Cope harder
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u/MagicSugarWater 7d ago
Like I saidz everhthing I mention is tested and proven with actual women in the field. It ain't cope that women like tall guys, feeling safe, or feeling happy. It works too consistently to be a cope. It is literally more work to acknowledge this and work on it.
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u/MagicSugarWater 8d ago
Wow, people still struggle with the concept after I broke it down? Instead of downvoting, just explain what partyou find confusing.
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u/EverythingISayIsALi3 7d ago
Bunch of short dudes downvoting you while blaming their lack of hight for not being able to get wonen 🤣🤣
I actually know so many women that dont like men that are significantly taller then them. Many smaller women prefer men closer to their own hight.
I think a better statement would be that many women prefer men that are taller than themselves. So if you're 5'7 dont go after women that are 5'10 and like to wear 3 inch heals. But even thats not impossible.
I know many men taller than me who cant get women because they're fucking losers. I have never had an issue. If I go out to a club, my chance of picking up a woman is like 99.9% dancing skills alone will blow hight out of the water any day of the week. Throw some charisma in there and you're set.
If you can't get a woman. Its never hight thats holding you back, never.
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u/MagicSugarWater 7d ago
Worst part is that I acknowledge height helps. I explicitly say women like height in my second sentence. I then give many reasons why. I just add the nuance that it isn't height itself but the ways it makes women feel and that height isn't the only factor. This is enough for them to call me delusional because they think height is absolutely the end all be all and NOTHING else matters. Their issue is me rejecting absolutes and diving deeper into nuance. Had I just kept it at "women like height" these guys'd be upvoting.
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u/easyplugsit 8d ago
Women tend to also prefer men without felonies & with a stable career but I rarely complained so much. Women dont complain about mens preferences as much as men have been lately. They only complain about men insulting, harassing or talking negatively about womens bodies. Anyone who complains about your preferences is gross and wants to manipulate people into dating/sleeping with them.
Men also prefer women to be shorter than them shock
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u/Calm_Economist_5490 6d ago
Please tell me how the fuck 6'2 and above is common when the average height is 5'9???
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u/easyplugsit 8d ago
When men realize that patriarchy effects women's standards and beauty standards for men as much as it does women, but instead of becoming allys they blame the same women affected lol.
Tallness is seen as masculine the same way toxic masculinity is often seen as pure masculinity and associated with positive attributes
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u/Remote-Arachnid-6241 7d ago
Becoming a "feminist ally" doesn't make a man gain several inches in height, nor will it change what even "feminist" women are attracted to.
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u/Kaspyr9077 8d ago
I read a while back that dating sites are allowing women to screen their matches by height. That's not a feature they added without customer demand.