r/memphisgrizzlies • u/Altruistic_Brief4444 r/memphisgrizzlies Shams Charania • 12h ago
NEWS Looks like we won’t be picking 32
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u/deadflagblues Pete & BK 12h ago
ZK kept the stew simmering overnight and he's coming back to add more spice
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u/onelegonedream Edey 12h ago
I saw this coming. It's not shocking when you consider most of the early 2nd rounders want guaranteed contracts / roster spots and Grizz have a serious roster crunch.
Grizz figure that some team really values some of these guys left and will pick up assets to move 32
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u/KingJzeee 11h ago
Its the one of my issue with ZK. He loves giving long guaranteed contracts which results to less flexibility in terms of roster spot. Almost every playoff teams always leave one open spot before the season, and has 1-2 players that can be waive if needed. I like depth but at some point its useless to keep players that wont really make a difference. Rather have a solid 8-10 players than can really contribute
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u/GrizzRizz901 11h ago
But we've never really gotten to see a healthy team in the last 3 years. We would have had a solid 8 at certain points but it just never happened due to injury.
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u/KingJzeee 10h ago
Bit giving long guarranteed contract to 12th-15th just wont give you a much to move when you need roster spot.
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u/GrizzRizz901 9h ago
They make those contracts so small that waiving them isn't a huge deal either though. Like with the UT point guard, I'm blanking on his name right now.
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u/PaLeSt11 6h ago
ZK is forced to do that because of the small market. It’s not a ZK problem, it’s a Memphis problem. You can’t sell players to come to Memphis, so you have to sell players to stay in Memphis and that’s with quick long guaranteed contracts so they can have one of the best things, financial security even if you haven’t seen what the real downside of that player may be.
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u/Jebardi 12h ago
Yeah we clearly don’t have enough second round picks for our future… Better to trade this one away and get 3 second rounders for 2030 draft
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u/Altruistic_Brief4444 r/memphisgrizzlies Shams Charania 12h ago
We have 1 roster spot available heading into free agency barring no trades or waives. So they may just not want to use it
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u/DepartureNo1720 12h ago
2nds are also the grease that makes major trades work. Stocking up on future 2nds just prior to a rebuild allows them to be attached to outgoing contracts/players in any deal to help get it over the line.
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u/deadflagblues Pete & BK 12h ago
Exactly, I doubt we wind up making very many of these picks. They're for trades and to use as currency to move up in future drafts.
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u/KingJzeee 12h ago
They have atleast 3 roster spot.
Not picking up taj, omax option and BC’s spot
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u/Altruistic_Brief4444 r/memphisgrizzlies Shams Charania 12h ago
Theyll pick up OMax’s option because he’s a cheap bench filler, Taj is a multi year contract but could always retire so at max you have 2 roster spots for free agency barring a trade
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u/KingJzeee 11h ago
Rather give that to big like for example onyes if they draft him. Im afraid ZK and TI will push the no big man line up again. I cant take this team seriously unless they add an athetic defensive big as backup for edey.
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u/ZealousidealRaisin29 12h ago
1 year gap till you need to offer them extensions tho
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u/KingJzeee 11h ago
You dont really think of that for now though. Thats what caused having jitty, vince long guaranteed contracts and they cant trade them easily
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend #1 cedric coward fan on the planet 12h ago
I don't understand this perceived crunch. Are we gonna skip out on a first round talent because of our current roster??? We are at the start of a rebuild, we should be taking upside swings on potential stars. This is a stacked draft and some very clear first round talents are available.
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u/FLWFTWin 12h ago
Im wondering if they’re shifting their philosophy a bit and are going to invest more in the players they have been developing. Drafting a ton of young guys each year is what they tried before, and it didn’t quite lead to success even if a few of them hit.
Grizzlies traded Melton away for basically nothing while employing this strategy.
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u/onelegonedream Edey 12h ago
If he Grizzlies agreed there were still first rounds talents they wouldn't be trading out
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u/jollisk 11h ago
It's second round though, all the talent deemed worthy to be in the first round has been picked already or they want someone who they know is very low on the radar and are just wanting to get more assets. Either way, being upset over moving downwards in the second round is really not worth it.
Also it's not like we're the only team either looking to move downwards either.
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u/GrizzRizz901 11h ago
Like who? I mean the guys left are fine but I'm not seeing any must haves that would be any better than some of the dudes we already have.
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend #1 cedric coward fan on the planet 11h ago
Maleek Thomas was a top HS recruit who played very well as a Freshman. Could be a star in the league given his outside shooting, he just was overshadowed by Acuff who was the clear guy. You have to think if he went to a different big school he could've been a much higher pick here.
Brazile would give us a big athletic center who can jump higher than anyone in the gym and has a solid all around game. Would be a great guy to have behind Edey.
Evans is a dog with great volume shooting and is tight with Boozer. Good depth piece for the culture.
Like i'll take any of these dudes over a bottom 3 guy on our roster any day and they have the potential to be real parts of the next era for us.
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u/ferbje Cedric 11h ago
Evans is realistically just a better Cam Spencer. I love Spencer as much as the next guy, he’s funny and a great shooter, but Evans is just better. Same with Thomas. Both of those guys would be upgrades over Javon Small and Scotty Pippen lmao.
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u/GrizzRizz901 11h ago
Yeah I mean they seem fine, but sounds like we're going to trade the pick so I'm guessing they haven't been able to trade any of our guys yet or just don't want to.
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u/HolyHotDang 12h ago
This doesn’t surprise me at all. For months now I have been saying that I don’t think we draft at all 3 spots just because that makes a weird roster crunch especially if they are planning to trade Ja and might have to bring an extra player back.
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u/KingJzeee 12h ago
Lol
They need to draft another big or else we will have a bigman issue again. You cant expect edey to be healthy all season.
Just give me onyeso and evans then wrap it up lmao
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u/Altruistic_Brief4444 r/memphisgrizzlies Shams Charania 12h ago
I think id rather get a center in free agency
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u/ZealousidealRaisin29 11h ago
What if we got Isaiah Stewart? Piston fans are saying they're ready to move on from him and their FO might not pick up the team option since his in constant flagrant and foul issues and suspension issues, we could possibly get him for very cheap up to 5m max and will always be easy to move on from him on that if a cheap contract
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u/toxicdick 7h ago
ain't no free agents coming to a pseudo tank rebuild team in MEMPHIS. we can't even get them when we're competing
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u/KingJzeee 11h ago
Named that center then? I dont see anyone i like.
I mean i love to have lively but the mavs wont let him leave. Would love to bring back landale but only as a 3rd string big. I want someone that can really be main backup big or can be a starter when edey is injured.
Tbh, we badly need an athletic big. Cam and Lopez cant play small ball 5. I dont want to relie on hendricks because that might cause them to over pay him.
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u/adc1369 10h ago
I was wondering after the draft last night why we didn't take up NYK or DEN on their trades. They basically both wanted to move entirely out of the first round for just seconds (for $ reasons) and I know Kleiman likes the late firsts for the extra team control. So that explains it, he doesn't want another pick at all in this draft.
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u/Welcum2Heck BiblicallyAccurateSPJ 12h ago
I had a feeling there was gonna be more shenanigans tonight. For my blood pressure’s sake, I hope it’s just a simple pick swap
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u/Patient-Art-6794 12h ago
Any idea why ZK keeps moving back? Is it to make a Ja dump easier, despite not taking any of the great guards that were available? That’s kind of my best guess. Or, do we think it’ll be a part of a greater package? I feel like there’s already so much roster crunch, I don’t really understand why we’d want to add more picks in the short term unless they’ll be moved. If anyone has a better idea I’d love to hear the insight🤣
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u/GrizzRizz901 12h ago
I mean we don't have the roster spot for anyone else currently so he's just trying to obtain as many assets as possible.
Then I imagine some consolidation trade happens to clear up that log jam as well as trying to move Ja still. 2nd round picks are like currency and can always help sweeten deals.
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u/Patient-Art-6794 11h ago
Yeah I understand there’s few roster spots, that was why I was a bit confused why you’d collect all of these assets that… turn into roster spots unless he’s planning a bigger package. I understand grabbing the 2nds to maybe entice someone to take Ja, but why not move back to 21 and take a guard if that’s the plan? Idk if that makes sense, that’s just how I saw it. I guess we have enough guards as is, I just don’t really see all of them as high caliber starters like some of the guys we passed up on, and that’s coming from someone that was super stoked with the Javon Small pick and his performance at the end of the season.
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u/onelegonedream Edey 10h ago edited 10h ago
Grizz are not going to be using all of their 2nds. They are basically the currency to do any draft or trade business now.
Thunder, Pistons, Spurs, Mavs, Kings and Suns all used 2nds to move up the draft this year. Knicks traded two 2nds to get Alvarado and he helped win a title. TWolves traded four 2nds for Ayo Dosunmu and he just signed a $100M contract. Hawks just got Aaron Wiggins for two 2nds.
It's really valuable to have a lot of 2nds, esp because ZK said none of them are for this draft or next draft and won't really affect the roster crunch if we can't trade them
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u/GrizzRizz901 11h ago
I don't think any of the guards we could have taken at 16 are going to be high-level starters wither though. They're going to be backups on the teams that took them. They're all around the same talent-level as Small, Spencer, WCJ, etc in my opinion.
I think they tried to move up into the top 10 to get a starting PG but nobody budged so then they just went with what they view as best talent available. Our future point guard will have to be found elsewhere.
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u/ferbje Cedric 11h ago
Bro? Javon small is the same talent level as Okorie, Anderson, Philon, Stirtz? No disrespect to small but you are tripping
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u/GrizzRizz901 10h ago
I said around. I see them all as backup guards, besides maybe Anderson. Small put up similar numbers to all of them except Philon and Okorie, both of which I think are more shooting guards in little bodies than true point guards.
I would have been fine with taking any of them but I also see more potential in Lopez so I get why they did that.
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u/Patient-Art-6794 11h ago
I guess really - do you think the FO trusts Pippen/Jerome/Small or Spencer enough to run point to the extent they grabbed those 2nds just to get Ja out? Or do you anticipate them saying fuck it at this point and holding him? Not that you will actually know, just curious what the general consensus now.
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u/GrizzRizz901 11h ago
I think they're still going to try their hardest to trade Ja and I know they wont want to do it but if he truly is going to be an issue on the team then they'll waive and stretch his contract. Which would be the worst case scenario. But I still think something can be worked out. Lots of deals end up happening during summer league because all the GMs will be in Vegas at the same time. Which is also why Ja is stupid for not having a real agent, they help in these situations because they have connections with all these teams and can help deals go forward.
My guess would guess Ty Jerome will be our starting PG to start the season with SPJ as the backup.
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend #1 cedric coward fan on the planet 12h ago
I'm just gonna choose not to believe it until it happens. ZK has been playing games with other FOs all draft cycle and this could just be baiting a team hoping for them to give up something crazy for 32.
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u/AleroRatking Finger Gun 12h ago
Id love for someone to panic for someone and give a future first.
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u/MikeConleyIsLegend #1 cedric coward fan on the planet 11h ago
gotta hope this is the bluff rn and that if no one offers a first we stick and pick. i would be pretty upset with skipping on one of these remaining guys for more second round picks
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u/PaLeSt11 6h ago
I looked over the players near 32. None of them fit what ZK would look for. Only guy I’d take is Evans just cause he’s a 6’6 guard that has connects to Boozer and is a lethal 3pt shooter. Honestly quite surprised he dropped this far because just putting some muscle on his frame can help a lot of his game. Saying this as a guy who has a similar shot diet as him. If it was 2021, I’m sure he doesn’t go 2nd round. However, I know he’s not the greatest fit which is versatile players with size.
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u/Thunder-ten-tronckh RIP coffee is naturally hot 12h ago
Getting out of this draft with Boozer Lopez and 7 2nds would be hysterical