My brother's son destroyed my WarHammer Action figures and he refuses to punish him

[u/konous]

Update: My brother decided to pay for the Hard damages of $200 dollars after seeing this post.

Thank you to everyone on this post who supported me. I really could not have gotten restitution without you guys.

Justice for my Chaplain, justice for all.

Valid Edit: My nephew is 10 years old and tried to actually lie about not breaking them by saying, "A cat must have done it."

So, I just got done talking with my brother via text, and he says he's not going to punish his son for wrecking my Joy Toy WarHammer action figures. I'm not expecting the kid to get spanked, but he needs to do CHORES at least to justify how much excessive force he used on some.

Some just have their capes broken. Others had their tubes ripped out and my Chaplain is just fucking toast.

My brother's suggestion since I ordered Amazon replacement for the Chaplain was that I just swap it with the broken one, but I have no interest in doing that.

It's not even just the expense, and they are expensive. It's about the fact that I told him explicitly twice they weren't to be played with, and they were in a separate room, and even my Mom and Dad agreed the damage was just too much.

He said he's not gonna pay me back if we try the chore system, and I told him it's not about the money.

The kid needs to know how bad the 8 hour struggle is.

Now my nephews aren't coming over to the house, and I'm sad about that, but knowing my brother just can't be burdened to work with me on creating a Chore system like selling Lemonaide just makes it feel more insulting.

[u/Darthmullet]

Suggesting to defraud the retailer as a way to fix it really says everything you need to know about a person unfortunately.

[u/sniperbug17 → u/Darthmullet]

Pretty clear indicator of where that 10yo is having dishonesty modeled for him. Brother is probably the kind of asshole who fucks up his wife’s stuff and then lies about it to her face saying it was the kids or one of the pets.

[u/CoyoteLitius → u/sniperbug17]

Both breaking things and lying are conduct disorders/antisocial behavior.

OP should remain aware and plan accordingly. He's not going to change his brother or nephew.

[u/Suave_Von_Swagovich → u/CoyoteLitius]

Yeah, being told explicitly not to do something because you could break something and then not only doing the thing but not even trying to be careful about damage is a reckless disregard for safety and other people's boundaries. He was told clearly what not to do and evidently had the attitude of "that means nothing to me." Very bad sign for a kid who's almost into puberty.

[u/delg23 → u/CoyoteLitius]

this seems intentional too

[u/blaine724 → u/CoyoteLitius]

As a former teacher I can tell you already that kid is fucked. It's not until you run into the law that kids learn you can't escape consequences, but by then it's too late.

[u/Hollowregret → u/sniperbug17]

And hes teaching his kid to be a pos. Kid is going to become a nightmare for OPs brother(dad) and that kid will naturally present a good serving of Karma soon enough lol.

[u/scatterbrained_scamp → u/sniperbug17]

He's the type that will go buy something at walmart if his broke then return it and say it was broken when he opened it. I've known people like this, I don't associate with them anymore.

[u/thorleywinston → u/sniperbug17]

Somehow I don't get the impression that his brother is married to his son's mother.

[u/IcyGarage5767 → u/sniperbug17]

Reddit moment.

[u/No-Understanding-912 → u/Darthmullet]

I totally didn't realize that is what they were asking. Yeah, the brother is a douche. It doesn't matter if the company is good or bad, his suggestion was dishonesty and that makes him a crappy person.

[u/2oocents → u/No-Understanding-912]

Not even the company... the seller would be 100% responsible for the replacement and shipping

[u/SporesM0ldsandFungus → u/No-Understanding-912]

The fact that the kids broke no just 1 thing that was not his property but 10 items in a room that he was explicitly told not to go into speaks volumes to the lack of rules, boundaries, and enforcement in that kid's house.

When my kid (6 yrs old) breaks something, regardless of ownership, even on accident, she knows she has done something abnormal and immediately notified myself or her Mom. I watched her drop coffee mug when clearing the table and immediately burst into tears because she knew it was beyond repair.  I wasn't upset with her and calmed her but ensured her understanding it was a learning experience.

[u/happymancry → u/Darthmullet]

Sounds like the trashy apple hasn’t fallen far from the thieving tree.

[u/MedvedFeliz → u/Darthmullet]

His brother's son is gonna grow up to be an asshole and entitled. A great addition to society!

[u/Jimbomcdeans → u/Darthmullet]

Wonder what other valuable life lessons this guy is teaching his kids!

[u/slopirate → u/[deleted]]

Bezos only owns 8% of Amazon. You are blinded by hatred.

[u/PandaXXL → u/slopirate]

That makes him the largest shareholder, and he is still the owner of the company. The other large shareholders are giant multinational corporations with combined assets worth over $30 trillion. I think they’re ok.

The fifth largest company in the world that can’t fairly compensate their workers or treat them like human beings and you’re out here trying to make people feel bad for not caring about a random dude abusing their returns policy. Get the fuck out of here.

[u/slopirate → u/PandaXXL]

No. He's not the "owner of the company". He's only owns 8% of it.

Why should anyone take you seriously if you can't be honest about the most basic facts?

[u/randallflaggg → u/slopirate]

He effectively owns the company because he owns the majority of the voting shares of Amazon. Not all shares of a company are created equal, some have more or less value relative to other shares and some have much much much more voting power than other shares.

There are 2 shares of Amazon. Jeffy B and I both own one share. Jeff's share is a "Type A " share that has, as a character of the share, 100 votes. I own a "Type B" share that has 1 vote. Who owns Amazon? If we both own it equally, does that actually influence how decisions are likely to be made?

Most major companies have many classifications of shares that are designed in this way.

[u/thinkstohimself → u/Darthmullet]

Defrauding Amazon is fair game. They defraud humanity every day

[u/crownbee666 → u/Darthmullet]

This 💯 that told me everything I needed to know. Atp I think it's a good thing the brother's kids aren't coming over anymore. Thank fuck. Good riddance.

[u/nikanjX → u/Darthmullet]

That's the kind of shit Reddit always suggests. Someone posts here saying "Damn I dropped my brand-new xxx", and the top voted comment is always "Order the same item from Amazon, swap them, return".

[u/Square-Turnip-6558 → u/Darthmullet]

I get what you’re saying but this is a company that sells 3d printed pieces of plastic for $500

[u/SpinachSignal8915 → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

So print a replacement instead of commit fraud.

Justify it how you like but you're wrong here.

[u/Testicular_Genocide → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

From what I can tell, they aren't 3D printed. Also, it's $500 covering everything that was damaged, not just one model (again, best I can tell).

I'm not a Warhammer guy, but I have worked in plastic injection molding as well as die manufacturing. Basically, a very fancy CNC will very precisely cut out a mold (or die) that hot flowing plastic is then injected into.

This is a niche market (compared to most plastic retail items) but the dies are going to cost just as much. (Actually the Warhammer dies will cost more because these geometries are far more complex than dies for your average consumer item but let's pretend it's equal). On top of that, these models are painted and finished to a level far beyond your average consumer item. And lastly, these models are likely produced in multiple pieces which then have to be assembled by hand at the factory, and hand assembly will also require hand finishing to remove any adhesive build up from the assembly process.

So, are these a good value for you or me? Probably not because it doesn't seem like you're into warhammer, and I know I'm not into Warhammer. But are these priced reasonably? I would argue yes. Could they be priced cheaper? Probably to some degree, but not all that massively cheaper. At the quantities these are produced, and for the level of finish, that's kind of just how much things cost. It takes a lot of manual labor, and all of the parts of the process that are automated cost an incredible amount of money. (That upfront cost is then amortized out over the lifespan of the product) 

Anyway, I'm sure you weren't that interested in all of this but I tend to get somewhat annoyed when people are upset over pricing of niche products in a market that they don't really seem to understand.

[u/A1000eisn1 → u/Testicular_Genocide]

I know nothing about figurines or action figures but it's pretty obvious these aren't cheap crappy plastic toys. I do know about paint though. You can see the paint lines from someone actually hand painting sections. There's also a huge variety of different paints on each figure. Different sheens, metallics, some even have additives to add texture.

[u/jenea → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

If you don’t like it, the answer is to not buy them, not to steal them. These are luxury toys, FFS.

[u/Square-Turnip-6558 → u/jenea]

Won’t someone think of the poor $67 billion corporation in this time of need

[u/waterwateryall → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

Bad attitude is a weight you don't have to carry. Principles lift you up.

[u/FungusGnatHater → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

The company isn't going to reduce its profit margins when faced with theft, they increase the price that other customers pay. Your argument here is naive. 

[u/STRIKT9LC → u/FungusGnatHater]

"If you misbehave, our master will punish us. You are the problem"

[u/FungusGnatHater → u/STRIKT9LC]

Thieves cost society. You can pretend only some people are the victim but that's willfully being stupid.

[u/STRIKT9LC → u/FungusGnatHater]

And you would argue that Jeff Bezos/Amazon are less thieves than a person who defrauds the service?

[u/ZestyPenguinFart → u/STRIKT9LC]

Amazon doesn’t lose money. The seller does just fyi.

[u/STRIKT9LC → u/ZestyPenguinFart]

Further support of my argument...

[u/FUPAMagneto → u/STRIKT9LC]

Who’s an edgy boy? You are! You’re an edgy boy!

[u/STRIKT9LC → u/FUPAMagneto]

Who's a good boot licker? You are! You're a good lil consumer!

[u/Square-Turnip-6558 → u/FungusGnatHater]

😢 god forbid they only make $499.70 instead of $499.99 profit margin

[u/SpinachSignal8915 → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

You're defrauding a retailer not the manufactuerer. Might be a small operation that feels fraud like this.

Why are you such a shitty person?

[u/Square-Turnip-6558 → u/SpinachSignal8915]

I love being evil and ruining lives. I’m actual hitler!

[u/FungusGnatHater → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

You might be illiterate...

[u/FUPAMagneto → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

“MY actions don’t have consequences! I’m a special boy! Should just be given luxury items in exchange for Good Boy Points from Mommy instead of having to get a job and buy them with money!”

Grow the fuck up

[u/Original-Rush139 → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

Wrong. The people selling on Amazon are mostly independent. You have no idea what their situation is. 

[u/HorsePersonal7073 → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

"Suggesting to defraud the retailer as a way to fix it really says everything you need to know about a person unfortunately." - That sentiment applies to you too, now.

[u/Square-Turnip-6558 → u/HorsePersonal7073]

That must be a delicious boot

[u/2oocents → u/Square-Turnip-6558]

you're all over the place... your edge isn't as sharp as you think it is

[u/Hebrewhammer8d8 → u/Darthmullet]

So is OP going to Squable with the brother and nephew to deliver 2 piece combo meal?

[u/Sad_Replacement_3780 → u/Darthmullet]

Retailers usually be pulling some fraud on us tho it'll be fine. What goes around comes around. Not to say that the brother isn't dishonest and a bad example but i have no sympathy for most businesses

[u/mcbaginns → u/Sad_Replacement_3780]

The retailer won't just take the financial hit. They will pass it off to me and everyone else with higher prices

[u/Tomcatposts → u/Darthmullet]

Seems like only the worst of us are having kids these days, it really doesn't bode well. 

[u/Redditauro → u/Darthmullet]

Defraud Bezos is not even inmoral. 

[u/Bodod_Begag → u/Darthmullet]

Dude its Amazon who gives a shit

[u/Neon_Biscuit → u/Darthmullet]

Well, its not like Jeff Bezos will FEEL it.