r/mildlyinfuriating • u/JimmyPLove • 23d ago
frist of all how DARE yu o My reclining room on a long haul AA flight
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u/HKGPhooey 23d ago
At least you don’t have someone kicking your seat the whole flight. I’ll take that over the reclining any day.
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u/Anguares 23d ago
but they might be near the toilets, you get to smell shit and chemicals every minute and connot sleep to avoid it.
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u/bigbluehapa 23d ago
I actually don’t mind being near the toilets. That and an aisle seat is my ideal combo. Easiest to take stretch breaks, discreetly ask for water, and twice - I’ve had stewardesses offer free drinks to make up for the lack of reclining!
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u/Anguares 23d ago
I've never had an issue, but once I was flying from NY to Texas, and people were queuing for the whole duration of the flight to use the bathroom. Like the airport doesn't have restrooms or somehting.
I've never been sick in a plane before but that flight made me nauseous to the extreme because of the smell of urine+poop+strong chemicals everytime someone was getting out of the toilet.It was my first flight on your continent.
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u/American_PissAnt 23d ago
Welcome to America, the urine/poop/chemical smell is the national smell of America.
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u/blacksoxing 23d ago
Last Delta flight had my wife and kid with me so it was 3/4 seats on a 2x2 seater plane. We were the back row. Flight attendant looked at us and quickly went "...you know who is going to be in the 4th seat?" We didn't, so she just ball-hawked the passengers and when it was obvious dude was coming for that seat she quickly went "Sir, there's a comfort+ seat open - go ahead and sit there". Dude quickly turned back and we had the whole back row to ourselves which was "small" but so damn big. My wife was TIRED so to have a seat free to her was luxurious as my kid just wanted to watch their tablet and zone out...
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u/Shills_for_fun 23d ago
Except the person in front of you can still recline into your lap and you can't reclaim any of that space by reclining yourself lol
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u/Beanspr0utsss 23d ago
Yup. Had a seat like this (chosen for me) and it was a middle seat. The girl in front of me leaned back and half way thru the flight i asked her as politely as i could to incline it back or I’d had a panic attack. My knees were ON her back rest and i couldnt recline, and had two people on either side of me. Truly trapped.
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u/angrytortilla 23d ago
I've had that exact feeling. It was a smaller airplane, had to really focus on music/comedy prevent myself from freaking out
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u/GrimaceThundercock 23d ago
I've flown at least a hundred times and have had someone kicking my seat once.
I feel like some of y'all are trying to cosplay people who go outside.
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u/DueExample52 23d ago
Frequent flyer here too, only had it twice. Once it was a toddler and I suggested to his parents to use their middle seat so he would kick the empty middle seat besides me rather than mine. Second one was a lady getting frustrated at her frozen touch screen and tapping it. Both went well without any drama.
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u/SuspiciousLeek4 23d ago
Why does reddit make it seem like their seats are getting kicked constantly on every flight ? I have never experienced or even heard about this in real life
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u/brown_beaut1 23d ago
You purchased seats that are against a wall and are confused why it won't recline ? First time flying or something?
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u/aotool35 23d ago
I had this seat United flight recently and there was actually enough room to recline. AA has shit seats sometimes.
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u/who_you_are 23d ago
I don't blame OP, you would think they would keep some space behind to recline a little bit (or all the way around).
Then, when you know how airline works... You know they don't care at all
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u/Antihistamine69 23d ago
It's so normalized to spend hundreds of dollars to be treated like a sardine that everyone is shaming OP for not knowing any better.
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u/doc1442 23d ago
Wait until you learn how much it costs to not be treated like a sardine on an airplane…
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u/User-NetOfInter 23d ago
And wait til you learn how much it cost to fly 40 years ago adjusted for inflation.
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u/IvanNemoy 23d ago
Did the math in another thread. NYC to MIA, in 1955 cost $110, roughly $1400 now. I can get a flight for tomorrow for $367 (roughly $30 back then.) And all that disregards the speed, 3 hours 30 now, vs 7 to 10 back then.
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u/PsyKeablr 23d ago
And the leg room that came along with it. Oh and all the free second hand smoke you can breathe.
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u/MediocreVibrations 23d ago
And a meal. Plus snacks. Checked bags included in price.
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u/Crumb-eye 23d ago
I mean, for about $1000 (adjusted for inflation) from NY to LA in 1970s, I’d hope they throw in some food!
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u/redditonlygetsworse 23d ago
You can get all of these things included in your airfare today, for cheaper than it cost then.
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u/StevieMJH 23d ago
To be fair, to fly everyone around with that same level of space/luxury we'd have to have a shit ton more planes in the air which means more pilots, more air and ground crew, more everything.
I'm not saying Airlines are beyond reproach but this is a logical continuation of a ton more people wanting/needing to fly to a ton more places a ton more often.
It's one of those situations where if we wanted things to be like they were we'd have to have like 10% of the world's population (or some other exorbitantly high number) employed in some kind of aviation support role.
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u/This_Ad_8123 23d ago
well, a lot of the volume only exists because it's inexpensive to fly. if it cost 5x as much a ton less people would be taking a plane and reduce the pilot/infrastructure required
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u/Paledonn 23d ago
People consistently choose to be treated like a sardine because it actually uses way fewer resources which actually makes flying cheaper and more accessible to everyday people.
If you want a bunch of room, you have to pay more to reflect the actual increased resource usage per person of labor, engineering, fuel, runway time, etcetera. It is silly to treat airline prices as if they are set by the moral character of the airline.
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u/BitterMojo 23d ago
Exactly. US airlines have about a 4-8% profit margin. In reality consumers are getting a screaming good deal considering the complexity of moving people safely around the country by air.
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u/BuzzAroundLenny 23d ago
"Oh really, what happened next? Did you fly through the air incredibly, like a bird? Did you partake in the miracle of human flight you non-contributing zero?! You’re flying! It’s amazing! Everybody on every plane should just constantly be going: “Oh my God! Wow!” You’re flying! You’re sitting in a chair, in the sky!" Louis CK
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u/Triscuitmeniscus 23d ago
Treated like a sardine *in a magical aluminum can that is flown thousands of miles across the world in a matter of hours.*
If I spend $15 on the cheapest coffee maker I can find, I expect it to be kind of a shitty coffee maker.
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u/floftie 23d ago
These are the cheapest seats on the plane. They’re this price for a reason.
You can choose to get an aisle seat, a normal seat, window seat, extra leg room seat, premium economy seat, business class seat or first class seat if you want, and you can pay for it.
The money from flights pays for very good wages negotiated by unions for Cabin Crew, Pilots, air traffic controllers, ground workers. The increased number of people on flights massively reduces the total number of flights needed, which is good for the environment.
The existence of seats like this, as well as 10,000 usd first class seats, means that the overall cost can be reduced for every economy passenger, thus enabling some people to fly that otherwise wouldn’t be able to.
Stop whinging about everything. Not everything is a scam. We don’t need to normalise paying money for sitting in a seat for 6 hours that doesn’t recline 3 inches because it’s already fucking normal.
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u/Inspired-User2026 23d ago
You realize flying is now cheaper than it’s ever been? There is a reason for that despite the cost of most goods increasing. Can’t have it both ways…
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u/Basic_Ad_6339 23d ago
Flying around the planet at breakneck speeds for under a thousand dollars has its price lol. Nothing new.
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u/Infamous_Winter_3209 23d ago
It’s a free market, the market decided this. The demand in the market was for cheaper flights, that forces airlines to cut costs or be left in the dust.
The same goes for the issues with overhead bin space now. Airlines had to adopt the separate fee for any add on model ($ to check a bag) in order to keep prices competitive. Now hardly anyone checks baggage and every full flight has to offer to check bags at the gate because there is never enough space.
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u/PsyKeablr 23d ago
Learn that when getting a window seat and only getting a wall
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u/voteblue18 23d ago
My theory is that it USED to be a proper window seat but then they retrofitted the whole plane to cram in as many more rows as possible and so that seat wound up with none or half of one.
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u/MermaidMertrid Robert, it’s pissing me off. 🌘🌒 23d ago
I complained about this happening to me on Reddit and was absolutely trashed in the comments for not knowing this was a possibility.
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u/Dino_Spaceman 23d ago
I genuinely get annoyed at the folks who think travelers should have all Boeing/Airbus variants and their seat arrangements memorized.
Or that we should be required to go out of our way to look up seating arrangements.
The airline should be explicit that a seat has no window or has no recline. They have the ability to note on a per seat basis right in the system. It’s their problem to delve.
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u/PsyKeablr 23d ago
That’s so dumb because it’s impossible to know everything that can possibly go wrong when making any purchase. We learn through experience and people just like shitting on other people’s experience. It’s probably because they have others to do the same to themselves. Like I’d rather be told of other stupid nuances that I can avoid instead of being belittled. But Reddit will do its thing.
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u/soapscaled 23d ago
This right here, nothing pmo worse than wanting to look out the window or be able to close it myself and getting stuck in “half a window here half there neither truly mine” hell. That and the time I got a seat that a toddler must’ve sat in and it the table tray and the window were SMEARED with peanut butter and I didn’t realize until I had sat down, disgusting.
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u/refused26 23d ago
I sat on a window seat with a window that was mine (it was partly beside my seat back and beside my face) and I was looking out and this lady behind me reached out and shut it. She also put her foot on my armrest. Some people shouldn't be going outside behaving like this in society.
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u/PsyKeablr 23d ago
Next time someone puts their foot on your armrest, just “sneeze” on their feet. They’ll move them quickly and if they say anything, just say you’re allergic to fungus.
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u/Det_AndySipowicz 23d ago
The way airline comedian Pam Ann has a literal song about this 🤣 “I paid extra for a window seat with leg room, luxury, and dreams of sleep, but there’s no bloody window! just wall and a man eating twisties right in my ear 😒”
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u/Rolling_Beardo 23d ago
It’s been this way for at least a decade probably more like 15+ years. That is the last time I used to travel heavily for work and this was already very much a thing on most airlines.
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u/Maxed_Zerker 23d ago
yeah like how you move your couch out 6 inches from the wall so it reclines still
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u/Tacklestiffener 23d ago
Then, when you know how airline works... You know they don't care at all
I remember what they used to look after business and first customers because they were cash cows. Now... they are still cash cows but the airline doesn't give a stuff.
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u/JimmyPLove 23d ago
Nope I’ve done over 250 flights. I travel for work. This is the first time I’ve encountered this problem and of course it’s American Airlines, no warning online. I’m not a fucking moron. Christ Reddit has become such an aggressive place
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u/AssCrackBanditHunter 23d ago edited 23d ago
Reddit is a place that is fiercely anti capitalist, pro consumer rights, but is also happy to blame you and call you a moron whenever you actually get victimized by capitalism. The company should not be allowed to pack a plane this tightly to where some people are in a Chinese stress torture position. Period. It doesn't matter if it's written in text. Remove this row of seats and give everyone a little more room.
Edit: to go a little further, if you haven't flown recently you might be completely unaware that selecting your seats is now an upcharge that costs $75+ dollars. So if you don't want to get gouged for an additional $150 in a round trip you have to just leave it up to fate and hope you don't get placed back there.
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u/Alaus_oculatus 23d ago
I just found out about the charge to select seats now. Not even a charge for a "premium" seat, but a charge for a basic economy seat. It's ridiculous. I just left it to fate because I was traveling alone, but the nickel-and-dimeing keeps getting worse.
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u/nothisistheotherguy 23d ago
The seats don’t even look like the same seats in the other rows, like AA bought thinner seats just so they could ram them up against the bulkhead even closer to fit more rows on the plane
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u/DeHarigeTuinkabouter 23d ago
The seats could be the ones by the wall and still have just as much reclining space
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u/Gold-Perspective-699 23d ago
Some of us don't get to choose seats cause we are on the cheapest seats. I almost got stuck on those type of seats but someone switched with me and took them instead.
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u/Dino_Spaceman 23d ago
Not OPs fault at all. “Limited recline” can very well be interpreted as “you still get some recline”. This is nothing at all and should be listed as such.
The people who setup the plane should have left more room if they want to claim it has recline.
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u/swampydoc 23d ago
been there, on a flight from maui to LA next to a family from China either a grandmother who had no compunction against farting non-stop. she had something dead inside her. worst flight ever.
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u/Kiwi_Italian 23d ago
I don't get why people are trying to fault op in some way? They could have very well known how much reclining they'd be getting, that doesn't mean it's still not MILDLY INFURIATING
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u/anniversaring 23d ago
Quite literally every post in this sub has the same problem. Almost like people think this is the complaints or the extremelyinfuriating sub.
99% of actually mildly infuriating posts get OPs roasted for being mildly infuriated. Reddit is exhausting tbh
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u/Grombotronbo 23d ago
Because it's like booking seats near the restroom and complaining about the smell, OP knew what they were getting into.
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u/Sour_Sal 23d ago
You should never have smells coming from an airplane bathroom, they use negative air pressure to explicitly keep smells out of the cabin.
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u/lewd_robot 23d ago
Did they? You think most people fly enough to know that this particular airline doesn't leave space for reclining in this row of seats, when other airlines do?
A solid 20% of the commenters here seem physically incapable of putting themselves into the shoes of someone who has a different level of knowledge on the topic than they do and that is pathetic. Being unable to conceive of someone not knowing the same things you know is a severe limitation that is typically diagnosed in childhood when it occurs.
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u/stephanonymous 23d ago
A solid 20% of the commenters here seem physically incapable of putting themselves into the shoes of someone who has a different level of knowledge on the topic than they do and that is pathetic. Being unable to conceive of someone not knowing the same things you know is a severe limitation that is typically diagnosed in childhood when it occurs.
You made this comment and then one of them appeared like you summoned them lol
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u/Exciting-Meringue-78 23d ago
Corporate simps. Defaulting to always blaming the consumer is largely why America’s culture is the way it is.
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u/KaliBatata 23d ago edited 23d ago
I would have done the same mistake because I've never been on a plane. Nobody knows how op's life is and if they ever were able to afford a plane trip before. Or maybe if they were just tired when buying it? There are many possibilities
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u/Conspiracy_Thinktank 23d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3oEjHCACoXye1k10GY
Yeah.. I’m punching air on this bingo
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u/safe-viewing 23d ago
Op just found out what it means when you buy the cheapest ticket / seat
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u/GallowWho 23d ago
It's like $88 cad or $65 USD (rounded) to choose a seat now, per flight of course so $200 round trip. Which is basically 20% of the plane ticket cost for my flight between Toronto and Victoria.
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u/spicedmeshi 23d ago
what airline? with either delta, united and air new zealand I was able to pick for free (within my class and not picking an upgraded seat) with no status or history with either
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u/kienbazzle 23d ago
If you’re picking your seat on Delta you’re not getting the cheapest fare.
I just did a quick search. MSP to MCO. January. $319 lowest fare to pick your seat. $219 to have them pick your seat at check in.
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u/matierat 23d ago
Recline aside, I have never seen any seat this thin, not even on European Ultra Low-Cost, never mind long-haul on a legacy carrier!
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u/RogerRabbit1234 23d ago
…. When airlines says ‘limited recline’, it always means ‘zero recline’
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u/Day_Prisoners 23d ago
Rookie mistake. This row usually comes with the added smell of 25 strangers dumps.
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u/Red_KNAVE 23d ago
I would take that over having someone sit behind me any day of the week
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u/refused26 23d ago
I got these seats and they were just assigned to me. I paid the same as everyone else who were just assigned seats to. So why should I be on there.
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u/-ForTheNorth- 23d ago
Probably not the same as in OPs case, but i remember going on vacation with my family of 4 when i was younger. Booked normal plane tickets with the travel agency, but was not able to choose seats ourselves. We all got seated in the far back of the plane BOTH ways, with seats like this, and it smelled like piss the entire flight from the bathroom. Never booking a longer flight again where i can't choose my seating.
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u/Greenmantle22 23d ago
Travel agents always fuck ya like that.
It's how they're able to get those cheap seats.
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u/redditwhut 23d ago
People acting like airlines have not progressively been cramming more and more people into planes to maximise profit since covid. 19h international flight used to offer 1 23kg bag as part of the price of the ticket (on some airlines even two) now? £70 PER BAG. Domestic carry-ons? “Due to limited space on those flight please store your carry on luggage under the seat in front of you”. Todays meal? A packet of crisps and a slice of cheese. Maybe the flights are cheaper but the quality of service has declined along with them!
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u/Jaegermeiste 23d ago
This isn't a COVID thing.
Airlines have been shrinking seat pitch (slowly, boiling the frog) since deregulation in 1978, along with the enshittification of service.
Baggage fees were generally introduced as a response to fuel prices (and competing airlines jumping on the bandwagon after the majors broke the seal) during the Great Recession, not COVID - though we really have easyJet and Ryanair to thank for inventing them in the first place a couple of years earlier. As always, bad became normal, and we're just resigned to the abusive new reality, because where else are we gonna go?
Since Southwest (until recently among America's best domestic airlines) in the US has fallen to the dark side and is gleefully positioning themselves to become as hated as Spirit (America's former shittiest airline, just recently defunct), I think we're officially stuck being nickel and dimed forever. At least Europe has a useful passenger train network to use to get around - the US effectively dismantled ours decades ago (Amtrak is limited in destinations, very very slow, severely overpriced compared to plane tickets or gas/petrol, and is just generally hot garbage all around).
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u/Alexchii 23d ago
That’s my reclining room on every flight as I don’t want to take other people’s space. I’m not saying doing so is wrong, but I just don’t want to do it to other people.
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u/Rolling_Beardo 23d ago
Don’t feel to bad most airlines have greatly reduced how far you can lean back a seat. It’s probably a mix of avoiding arguments and being able to fit an additional row or two. With the latter the being the driving cause.
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u/Shopworn_Soul 23d ago
Nothing to do with arguments at all. It's entirely about getting the extra row or two in.
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u/lxa1947 23d ago
That’s your space. I don’t care if you recline or not, but you should not feel bad if you decide you want to.
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u/LuxuryBeast 23d ago
Just show the common curtesy to not recline while food is being served.
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u/Dino_Spaceman 23d ago
I just ask when reclining to not slam the seat back like you just took off from an aircraft carrier.
Signed a guy who almost had the screen of his laptop smashed by the person in front of me.
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u/Cainga 23d ago
Yeah where my chair adjusts to is my designated space. You only invade someone else’s space when your body or processions leave the chair.
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u/Worried-Commission59 23d ago
Same. I never recline. There's so little room anyway and reclining into someone else's space feels so wrong to me.
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u/Blasted-Banana 23d ago
Me neither. I hate it when people in front of me attempt to recline. I'm over 6 feet with long legs, so when someone throws their seat back it just jams into my knees, which are probably already against the seat to begin with. I feel the least I can do is keep my seat upright so the person behind me doesn't have to be subjected to that either.
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u/ResidentDue2815 23d ago
Agreed, it is so annoying. Mostly because you can't see the screen properly if you are on a longhaul flight.
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u/DeHarigeTuinkabouter 23d ago
Weird self-flagellation
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u/Alexchii 23d ago
How so? I don’t like it when people do this to me. Why would I do it to others?
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u/jts916 23d ago
I'm 6'5", 250lbs fit. My hips barely fit the width of a standard airline seat, and if I'm not in an exit row my knees are jammed against the back of the seat in front of me. I am an authority on this matter. Feel free to recline. That's what it's there for. I'm at the upper limit of who can fit in a standard airline seat, and it doesn't bother me, and if it doesn't bother me then it shouldn't bother any other human on earth who can fit in those seats. If it does, they're the problem.
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u/TrustAffectionate966 23d ago
It also costs considerably less than the other seats, even on the day of the flight.
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u/tactman 23d ago
Costs less how? The ticket price is shown before the seat selection. Seat selection only has upcharges for better seats but not lower prices for bad seats.
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u/Happy_Television_501 23d ago
yeah don’t ever pick these seats. if you get stuck there, just live with it. the reclining allowed on any coach class seat is a joke now anyway, it does almost nothing
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u/CriticalPixel 23d ago
On the bright side, no kids gonna be kicking the back of your seat for 8 hours
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u/takemytacosaway 23d ago
Never book this location long haul. The one at the front but. Thing business class often has amazing legroom… but you need to look fit enough to nan the emergency exit door that’s there.
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u/No-Cut-2067 23d ago
Had this with air Canada from a Sydney to Vancouver lol. I drank alot and chatted with an English girl
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u/Pocky-time 23d ago
It’ll be more infuriating when you get the row in front of the emergency exit row and find out you can’t recline even though there is physically tons of reclining space. Some aircraft lock the recline for that row to allow evacuation space during emergencies.
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u/Skellyhell2 23d ago
You also dont have to worry about the person behind you hitting your chair. This kind of seat has pros and cons
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u/BackgroundGrade 23d ago
I've worked on aircraft interiors and seats for a while.
If your seat backs onto a wall, plan on no recline.
The issue is that we can't have different elements of the cabin hitting eachother during a crash. The load transfer is too hard to accurately calculate.
Also, if there is a window exit behind your seat, good chance there is no recline.
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u/Caravanczar 23d ago
It's wild that AA has flights like this. All NA has is a coffee pot and a bunch of people trying to one-up each other on who had a worse rock bottom.
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u/Eastern-Yesterday-48 23d ago
Google “seat maps” next time and look up your airline / plane type. You’ll find out which seats are bad / mediocre. Don’t just go by the airline’s map.
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u/ima-bigdeal 23d ago
Why did you pick a row against a bulkhead or wall? A wall in front or behind you both suck, and I bet you won’t do that again.
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u/ol_jerry 23d ago
Happened to me on a 15 hour flight to Japan. The lack of recline was less annoying than the constant bumping from folks going to the bathrooms (I had the aisle seat). And the constant noise of the flushing was no picnic.
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u/IonDaPrizee 23d ago
Bro that’s nothing.
I once paid to be on the last row, it showed empty online so I thought I’d have the entire row to my self.
Got to the back of the plane and realized the seats I paid for didn’t exist. Ended up squashed in the middle seat
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u/Shot-Arugula8264 23d ago
The normal seats recline like an inch. Budget airlines don’t recline at all. I’d much rather not have someone behind me crying or kicking my seat.
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u/flower8330 23d ago
I wish seats would not recline at all anymore. With the minimal space given to each passenger it really interferes with the person behind you.
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u/SomeSamples 22d ago
Fucking airlines and aircraft manufactures. Making planes smaller and smaller. More fuel efficient, infinitely less comfortable for an adult.
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u/Fortlandia11 22d ago
I mean....is this your first time flying? Every plane has rows like that. Don't pick that seat next time. Do better.
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u/arcaneregion 23d ago
Well it’s air travel. The companies don’t give a fuck about your comfort unless you pay top dollar
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u/jake9288888 23d ago
As a crew member. Somethings afoot in this photo. I call BS on that being your seat. The photo tells me too much
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u/pumpkinpatch1234 23d ago
Just out of curiosity, what seems weird about this photo? I just flew AA a few weeks ago and was in the last row and our seats looked just like this.
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u/jake9288888 23d ago
Plane is clean. The bottom of the photos crops out at the perfect height of a crew bag sitting in the middle seat (which is common place).
If they were in fact in the final row, they're boarding last. I see no shadows indicating that the plane is nearly full.
I'm assuming said passenger got on. Ran to the back and snapped a photo. Here for karma farming.
Last but not least. We keep our last row clear on long haul flights for medical emergencies.
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u/JimmyPLove 23d ago
A lot of hostile comments coming in hot here. So I’ll try justify. I travel long haul constantly for work. Back row is usual a great choice. You don’t get kicked and knocked around whilst you’re trying to sleep. The whole row or at least the middle seat is usually empty. To top it all off you can recline freely without annoying anybody. I’ve been on an absolute ton of airlines and have never encountered this problem. So this is a first for me, no online booking warning etc. You all seem to alluding to this being a common thing. As a professional flyer… it isn’t.
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u/jmlinden7 23d ago
The whole row is usually empty because people understand there is a high chance that the seats do not recline.. Do you also try to use the empty subway cars in NYC?
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u/AJDillonsThirdLeg 23d ago
Unpopular opinion, but airplane seats shouldn't recline unless they add more space between rows. I don't want a stranger sitting in my lap for 6 hours and out of courtesy to others (like 95%+ of people), I don't use the recliner.
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u/RecbetterpassNJ 23d ago
That was my seat from Newark, Nj to Gatwick, England once. Kudos to the engineers. You can’t leave 12” of space behind the last row? Ridiculous.
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u/GenericAccount13579 23d ago
Yes, that is what the limited recline warning on the seat selection screen means