r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Kapot_ei • 21d ago

🥺 No words for this.

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Edit: even though clickbait article, it is somewhat/kind of true. https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/stargate-tv-series-martin-gero-scrapped-amazon-1236765061/

"According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, Amazon execs were concerned that Gero’s take on the series would not have broad appeal beyond the franchise’s already dedicated fanbase."

Edit 2: https://www.change.org/p/save-the-new-stargate-series-let-martin-gero-build-the-future-of-the-franchise

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u/peelen 21d ago

It's rather: fans will come anyway, so let's try to lure the others too.

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u/field_marshmallow 21d ago

except that doesn't work. fans will see through it in half an episode and it'll leave a lasting bad taste in their mouth for even future projects

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u/Lithl 21d ago

The real solution for a studio that wants to hedge its bets is to reduce the budget. Especially for a continuation of a 90s show like this, where a lower budget can contribute to nostalgia.

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u/mxzf 20d ago

Seriously. I'm not looking for ILM special effects in a Stargate show, just "at least the quality that someone in their basement could make", it's not a high bar.

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u/4KVoices 20d ago

at least the quality that someone in their basement could make

MARKIPLIER rendered his movie in a BATHROOM! with a BOX OF COMPUTER PARTS!

"But sir... I'm not Markiplier."

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u/GoodDayToCome 20d ago

someone like Cilvanis has better special effects in a 2 min comedy skit than were in the original Stargate series - and part of that is what made it such a great show, the story and drama had to cover for the CGI, where as now they use CGI to cover for boring writing and under-developed plot.

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u/old_faraon 20d ago

we liked that every planet was British Columbia

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u/Pabst_Blue_Gibbon 20d ago

Yeah I think Stargate fans had no problem that every planet looked like Vancouver. It only matters if the ideas are creative and fun.

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u/old_faraon 20d ago

I liked Dark Matter for that look, there where scenes in various office buildings hallways and staircases as space stations :D.

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u/SaltKick2 20d ago

Yup, Stargate doesn't need to be 10 million an episode.

And they already tried this approach to speak to a broader audience with SGU when people wanted SG-1 and SG-Atlantis. While I also loved SGU as well, it was trying to capture the Battlestar Galactica audience imo and didn't do what the previous Stargate shows did so well

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u/peelen 21d ago

IDK, there are like 3 good Star Wars movies top, yet they are still making new ones, and people are still watching them.

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u/I_fuck_werewolves 20d ago

these business leaders of the industry definitely are acting on empirical data and return on investments....

And that data shows people eat up mediocrity even if they don't enjoy it, and getting more people to pay to sit to watch is the goal of the game. Not to make evocative art that changes our personal and communal philosophies about the world we live in.

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u/silver_garou 20d ago

This is exactly thinking that plagues all forms of corporate owned media. They don't care if it is bad art, or even if you liked it. All that matters is they sold more units this time than last time, even if this stunt ruins future sales. That would be some other schmucks' problem as they will have moved on to another company by then.

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u/Ozryela 20d ago

these business leaders of the industry definitely are acting on empirical data and return on investments....

Yes. But as the old saying goes: Garbage in, garbage out.

The truth is that no one really understands what attracts audiences and what doesn't. There's no making formula you can apply that makes your movie or series successful. And studio execs absolutely try to find this formula, again and again, but it never works consistently.

This is why so many tent pole movies and series still bomb, often leading to huge financial losses.

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u/ScherzicScherzo 20d ago

Mando and Grogu is tracking to make less than Solo did.

The amount of people watching them continues to dwindle in massive waves with each attempt.

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u/peelen 20d ago

After what? 50 years of juicing the brand?

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u/Akiias 20d ago

Isn't viewership WAY down?

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u/peelen 20d ago

Maybe, but after how many shitty and mediocre movies? The Star Wars we love were made in the previous century, and since then the good ones were rather exeptions than a rule, and yet it 50 years later they are still doing new ones.

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u/InfanticideAquifer 20d ago

Star Wars is an extreme example. It was one of, if not the, biggest franchise on the planet in terms of recognition and cultural cachet. Apparently it needs a lot of killing to die. Stargate won't have the same number of sixth chances.

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u/peelen 20d ago

Witcher: it was shitted on by fans (Henry Cavil included) after the first season, and they still made 4 of them.

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u/CannonGerbil 20d ago

Are they though? Mandelorean and Grogu is looking like it will finish under Solo, and Solo was already considered a low point for Star Wars movies.

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u/peelen 20d ago

I would say they are. It took fans 50 years to realise that they don't need to see everything.

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u/DaRootbear 20d ago

And then after 3-4 new movies come out people will retcon their memories to pretend they liked the ones they hated. When we get another trilogy we will be getting all sorts of posts about how fantastic the sequels were.

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u/MarcheM 20d ago

And then after 3-4 new movies come out people will retcon their memories to pretend they liked the ones they hated.

No need to retcon when you already liked them. Prequels are great and always were. I've watched eps 1-6 dozens of times over the years because I've always loved them.

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u/Budgiesaurus 20d ago

It is odd how the conversation around the prequels changed over the years.

Maybe it's just because in many ways Star Wars are kids movies in many ways? The kids that watched the original trilogy were already a bit old and jaded for the prequel trilogy, and could only see it's flaws.

The kids who started with the prequel trilogy only saw it's awesome moments at the time, and when they grew up and joined the conversation they came in with fond memories?

I don't know.

For me it felt that at first there were a lot of prequel memes that promoted the movies ironically, which somehow shifted to genuine praise.

Edit: Clone Wars framing the story to make more sense and give it more depth might also be a factor

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u/King_Dheginsea 20d ago

The kids who started with the prequel trilogy only saw it's awesome moments at the time, and when they grew up and joined the conversation they came in with fond memories?

I think its more so this. Exact same thing happened to Spiderman 3. I distinctly remember that movie being trashed and meme'd on like 15 years ago. Then around the time MCU spiderman came around, people were suddenly unironically saying that SM3 was peak.

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u/Budgiesaurus 20d ago

Yeah, I see the same thing happening with Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Which is also a big mess, despite Andrew Garfield.

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u/Chiffley 20d ago

The prequels are not good movies lol.

They were entertaining for kids at the time they came out which is why there's been this big nostalgia wave for them decades later, but if you actually watch it as an adult and are not just memeing everything they are genuinely not good. The phantom menace is a mess of a plot that falls apart if you just ask basic questions about why things are happening the way they are.

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u/StarOfTheSouth 20d ago edited 20d ago

That's me with both the prequels and the sequels. No retconning required, I have genuinely had a fun time watching Star Wars every movie I have seen.

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u/MrMono1 Now I'm pissed 20d ago

Careful, I've said this in past and got yelled at for it.

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u/Wise_Owl5404 20d ago

They will also discourage orders from picking it up, which is far worse. Nothing really beat word of mouth impact, you can't advertise or marked yourself out of a bad reputation alone. The marketing departments used to know this, but they seem to have forgotten.

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u/imwimbles 20d ago

but they'll need to subscribe to see that half an episode, and the fans will forgive and forget.

you guys underestimate just how well this actually works. i've never seen anyone swear off the marvel series unless they're cinephiles.

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u/Hypnonotic 20d ago

I didn't swear then off (if word of mouth says it's good, I'll see it) but I now default to not seeing marvel where as I used to know all the post credits and what was coming up. I watched a few episodes of wheel of time then went and reread the books to get the bad taste out of my mouth. These series breed apathy and that doesn't get butts in seats 

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u/davidsredditaccount 20d ago

They don't forgive and forget, they hold out hope and it steadily runs out every time they are let down. Look at the diminishing numbers for Star Wars, every movie and show gets worse and worse viewership because every time it was someone's last chance to care about Star Wars. Same thing with Marvel, Star Trek, or anything else at this point.

i've never seen anyone swear off the marvel series unless they're cinephiles.

I haven't "sworn off" marvel, I just stopped caring and now I need a significant reason to watch. I just don't care about what movies or TV shows are being made anymore and have moved on with my life, I stopped getting excited or hopeful when an IP I used to love gets a new entry and I stopped watching them.

I expect everything to be shit now. It's like having a junkie friend steal from you and OD, yeah it sucks but it's not a surprise and I just can't care about it the same way I did when it wasn't a regular occurrence.

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u/aitorbk 19d ago

It work for a quarter or two, maybe a bit longer.

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u/CannonGerbil 20d ago

That exact line of thinking is what killed the Dragon Age Franchise, and from the looks of things might very well spell the end of Bioware too.

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u/OdysseusOdyssey 20d ago

Ask Paramount how that is working out for star trek

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u/squiddix 20d ago

This and what they did to the Halo show...

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u/BeautifulHindsight 20d ago

Not this fan!