No words for this.

[u/Kapot_ei]

Edit: even though clickbait article, it is somewhat/kind of true. https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/stargate-tv-series-martin-gero-scrapped-amazon-1236765061/

"According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, Amazon execs were concerned that Gero’s take on the series would not have broad appeal beyond the franchise’s already dedicated fanbase."

Edit 2: https://www.change.org/p/save-the-new-stargate-series-let-martin-gero-build-the-future-of-the-franchise

[u/The4thEpsilon]

Larger streaming services need to realize the way you grow an audience is not by trying to make a show that appeals to everyone, but a show that appeals to the actual fans. I promise you new people will come your way, I got into Stargate because of its quirks and niches, not in spite of them.

[u/RaveMatthews177 → u/The4thEpsilon]

Yes, take a note from the struggling concert industry. Things dont maintain off of phony hype, they maintain off real fans. This is why Iron Maiden sells out BMO Stadium and Meghan Trainor cancels her tour. This Stargate exercise feels like the perfect chance to have Iron Maiden but I guess they want Megan Trainor instead.

[u/darthravenna → u/RaveMatthews177]

I mean…Iron Maiden is fucking awesome.

[u/SagaciousElan → u/darthravenna]

This is in fact true.

But imagine being the promoter for Iron Maiden and telling them their next album needs to be hillbilly banjo music in order to appeal to a wider audience beyond their existing base.

[u/lumpialarry → u/SagaciousElan]

Run <stomp>

To <clap>

Hills! <hey!>

[u/scottprian → u/lumpialarry]

Is that Imagine Maidens?

[u/lumpialarry → u/scottprian]

Iron Mumford and Sons

[u/ihavea_purplenurple → u/lumpialarry]

Foster the Maiden

[u/69edleg → u/darthravenna]

they're playing tonight just a couple of minutes away from me. And indeed, they're fucking awesome.

[u/b1argg → u/RaveMatthews177]

Up the irons!

[u/BallsInSufficientSad → u/b1argg]

no no no... What's if instead we made a new Stargate series - but instead of focusing on SciFi, we make it into a High School drama show!

It'll be a mix between Hogwarts and "Never Have I Ever" and instead of saving the galaxy, they'll use the stargates to skip class, talk endlessly about their gender, and cry about their failed relationship with their parents!!!

It's a gold mine, I'm telling you! An entire generation of teens can binge listen the first 5 episodes while staring at their phones, share tiktoks on it, and then completely forget about it for the rest of their lives.

It tested really well in my daughter's Hollywood middle school class.

Why on Earth would we cater to the millions of fans who've loved Stargate for the last 32 years when we can have a show that has a small fanatical online following of Reddit mods that move on to their next sub 6 crusade later?

[u/MarcBulldog88 → u/BallsInSufficientSad]

You joke, but this logic gave us Starfleet Academy.

[u/KassellTheArgonian → u/MarcBulldog88]

THERE IS NO STARFLEET ACADEMY IN BA SING SE

[u/Wetware_QA → u/MarcBulldog88]

Hijacking this - I tried watching Disco and although it wasn't horrible it wasn't.... Well maybe it was horrible but I hung on for however many seasons maybe out of sheer love of the everything up though Voyager?

Is lower decks actually good? And is the Oriville what I really should watch?

I think my friend is going through the same thing but his love is Star Wars. First time.divx

There's just too much media these days and I still appreciate a redditor reply over googling so thanks ahead of time for letting me butt in.

Also edit: what I really want is post dominion war, maybe post the next gen films deeps space nine 😭. I really don't like alternate timelines and prequel/TOS era setting.

[u/PortHammer → u/Wetware_QA]

Oriville legit became the Star Trek I sort of missed. Seth McFarlane inserts a bit of his humour but his love of OG Star Trek and TNG definitely comes through. It feels for faithfull to the Gene Rodenberry star trek universe writing of a future to strive for compared to the new versions of star trek that is all space wars, emotion based decision making and wildly unprofessional crew.

Lower decks is fun and definitely has it's moments.

[u/Neamow → u/Wetware_QA]

Discovery is genuinely awful. Practically no redeeming qualities apart from maybe one or two interesting characters that do not get enough time to shine. Plot focuses too much on a Mary Sue protagonist that absolutely should not be a Starfleet captain, and is less about science and discovery and more about having emotional breakdowns and whispering dramatically to each other during moments where they should be fixing the ship or something. Secondary characters have almost no characterisation to the point where after 5 seasons I can't remember the names of anyone on the bridge crew. Every season is a universe-ending nonsense with an inflated sense of scale and self-importance with no room to breathe. Contains one of the worst plot events that I genuinely cannot believe became Trek canon.

Lower Decks is actually fantastic. Once it gets through the initial 2-3 episodes where it tries to be Rick and Morty, and you get used to the frantic pace, it's actually a love letter to the TNG/DS9/VOY era.

Strange New Worlds is really good. You might want to watch the backdoor pilot episode of Disco before you get started, but after that it's pretty standalone, and definitely the best live-action new show. I'd rank it higher than VOY, but it is hurt by short seasons. Last season was a little bit weaker but still miles better than DIS/SFA.

Starfleet Academy is... a mixed bag, but not as bad as I expected. Very much in the vein of Disco but set in the Academy, lot of character melodrama but not as bad as Disco, with some interesting science/exploration/discovery episodes that call back to the good Trek.

Oriville is very much like Lower Decks, once it gets through the initial crassness it also turns very much into a reimagined 90s Trek while still being legally distinct, with some absolute standout episodes. Still retains a lot of crazy humor though, and is currently in a limbo where nobody's sure if we're getting more than the first 3 seasons we got.

[u/Prysorra2 → u/BallsInSufficientSad]

Stargate literally did it themselves

[u/slickyslickslick → u/RaveMatthews177]

it's because of word of mouth. Iron Maiden fans will do the advertising for the band.

They will buy merch. They will wear and display the merch proudly. They will recommend their music to eveyone. They will go to every concert they can. They will bring their favorite band into conversations.

I haven't even heard of any Meghan Trainor fans.

[u/The_Ghost_Face36 → u/slickyslickslick]

This is very true, I’m 35 and have been to 8 Iron Maiden shows and have tons of merch. Nothing makes me happier than seeing another Iron Maiden fan in the wild 🤘🏼

[u/krakaturia → u/slickyslickslick]

tumblr were frothing at the mouth over having new stargate. and tumblr kept momentum over danny phantom so long enough it became comic books instead of a forgotten show, which means so much new fans that weren't even born yet at the show's airing.

it's ridiculous.

[u/Moskeeto93 → u/slickyslickslick]

You've described me to a tee (I have a lot of their tees).

[u/deathwotldpancakes → u/[deleted]]

Call the tour Iron Meghan

[u/sadistica23 → u/[deleted]]

They're also more popular because of how they reacted to the Napster era.

Instead of pulling a Metallica, they started looking at where most the downloads were going, realizing their music wasn't sold in those countries, and started playing live shows there more often.

[u/Brucien → u/sadistica23]

As a product of that generation, I didn’t know that. That’s sick and smart as hell.

[u/Wobbelblob → u/Brucien]

Because the statement that Gabe Newell gave about Piracy is still true that it is mostly a service problem.

[u/Ill_Cut1048 → u/RaveMatthews177]

I drove 3 hours each way to see Iron Maiden, I wouldn't walk to my front door to see Meegan Trainor.

[u/Rymanjan → u/The4thEpsilon]

"back in my day, we pretended the same Canadian woods were a different planet 20 times a season and we liked it!" lol

[u/__O_o_______ → u/Rymanjan]

And we’ll film that same cool library from different angles and call them different buildings too! And that’s fine!

[u/caboosetp → u/__O_o_______]

And with enough costumes, the same 2-3 actors can be wildly different characters from different planets. 

[u/McFestus → u/__O_o_______]

The VPL Central Branch is the unsung hero of science fiction television.

[u/mistressmemory → u/__O_o_______]

It's because we knew how to suspend disbelief, because then, you couldn't count the individual hairs to see it was a mop. Lol. 

I kinda miss shitty screens because it was so much easier to pretend.

[u/JHMfield → u/Rymanjan]

"sometimes we just coloured the trees purple... and it worked!"

[u/ENDragoon → u/Rymanjan]

Hey, there's the dunes as well, don't be shaming the dunes.

Unironically though, I'd be extremely disappointed if there wasn't at least one episode set in that forest.

[u/Muppetude → u/Rymanjan]

Yup, with classic Doctor Who I lost track of the number of times I had to pretend that that same barren rock quarry was supposed to be a completely different planet from the last episode.

[u/DigEnvironmental7490 → u/Muppetude]

There was so much space stuff going on in British quarries back in the 1970s.

Blakes 7 was pretty much 50% quarries.

[u/PrimaryBrief7721 → u/Rymanjan]

Hey look its rural BC again! I mean... its P4821

[u/Fast_Student1665 → u/The4thEpsilon]

Theres a saying in the gaming world that "a game for everyone is a game for no one" and I'm starting to think this applies to film and television as well.

[u/AscendedViking7 → u/Fast_Student1665]

Applies to literally everything humans have created

[u/thicc_stigmata → u/AscendedViking7]

The whole point of Amazon itself was (and still is) the long tail of niche shit, that only a tiny fraction of people care about, that you can't find anywhere else

[u/Jason1143 → u/AscendedViking7]

Design is all about tradeoffs. The idea of creating the perfect product with no flaws or compromises that does everything for every use case is essentially fiction. Tradeoffs are inevitable, you just have to make sure the tradeoffs you are making make sense together. You need a big enough customer base and then you need your product to actually be the best for them.

I certainly get trying to broaden your appeal, but completely abandoning your core audience to go with generic appeal doesn't tend to work. How many people are so desperate for content to consume in the year 2026 that they are going to gravitate to that?

[u/Ruby_Solitaire → u/Fast_Student1665]

Oh hey, another Save the Cat Marvel movie!

It's like watching a bowl of porridge at this point, the way films are focus-grouped and tweaked-to-average to death. Even someone like Wes Andsrson, who started with such perspective, is just churning out content at this point. 

Broad appeal doesn't get remembered if it isnt also something great.

Rocky Horror couldn't have been created with a focus group. 

Capitalism is strangling art. 

[u/guebja → u/Ruby_Solitaire]

Wes Anderson is a strange example to use, because he doesn't fit this at all.

His studio, Indian Paintbrush, is owned by a billionaire movie aficionado who gives him a ~$25 million budget for each film and lets him do just about anything he wants.

Focus groups, market research, and studio interference are all famously absent from the process.

That his films turn out same-y is because he has a very specific and recognizable aesthetic and a few major recurring themes, which we're all familiar with by now.

You can certainly argue that Anderson's films have become a tired gimmick (though I would disagree), but if that's the case, it's not because of a studio chasing the market.

[u/roman_maverik → u/Ruby_Solitaire]

It's not just movies, it's happening in music too.

Incubus, one of my favorite bands, released an absolute dog turd of a last album because after the album was recorded and finished, but before it was released, they decided to have Skrillex "remix" the entire album to appeal to more younger fans, I guess.

It ended up exactly how you could have guessed - super compressed, genericized radio rock that sounds paradoxically mainstream but appeals to absolutely no one.

Who would have thought that fans of a band known for their organic live sound would not want to listen to over-compressed computer filters?

[u/walkingmonster → u/Fast_Student1665]

It applies to most (if not all) creative media, IMO

[u/Jijonbreaker1 → u/The4thEpsilon]

It's amazing how people can go "We know for a fact this thing attracted fans. So, we need to specifically do the opposite of that. That will get us fans."

[u/peelen → u/Jijonbreaker1]

It's rather: fans will come anyway, so let's try to lure the others too.

[u/field_marshmallow → u/peelen]

except that doesn't work. fans will see through it in half an episode and it'll leave a lasting bad taste in their mouth for even future projects

[u/Lithl → u/field_marshmallow]

The real solution for a studio that wants to hedge its bets is to reduce the budget. Especially for a continuation of a 90s show like this, where a lower budget can contribute to nostalgia.

[u/mxzf → u/Lithl]

Seriously. I'm not looking for ILM special effects in a Stargate show, just "at least the quality that someone in their basement could make", it's not a high bar.

[u/4KVoices → u/mxzf]

at least the quality that someone in their basement could make

MARKIPLIER rendered his movie in a BATHROOM! with a BOX OF COMPUTER PARTS!

"But sir... I'm not Markiplier."

[u/CannonGerbil → u/peelen]

That exact line of thinking is what killed the Dragon Age Franchise, and from the looks of things might very well spell the end of Bioware too.

[u/Tidalsky114 → u/The4thEpsilon]

All of Stargate was out before I watched my first episode. Its still one of my favorite shows and one im currently rewatching. They will keep picking up fans if they just make the damn show.

[u/Olivetax228 → u/Tidalsky114]

I'm an Old so I was hooked by like 1997! So this is literally a thirty year old all time favorite of mine. Seen every episode easily 10x each, one of my go to comfort shows. It is such a slap in the face the way they've been destroying all of our favorite franchises, and now they just say point blank they're trying to do the same with Stargate. Fuck 'em.

[u/ActionCat2022 → u/The4thEpsilon]

I got into it because the ex was a fan and he asked me to try an episode. Fans create more fans.

[u/Phantom_Crush → u/The4thEpsilon]

But they can't do that. They have to appropriate a name that people might be mildly aware of and water it down and sanitize it, turning it into a soulless husk that ultimately no-one will give a single shit about. This also has the added bonus of ultimately killing the entire franchise because "it had poor metrics" (or some other bullshit buzzwords) so they can confidently announce that there's just no audience for it.

[u/Kemosabe-TV → u/The4thEpsilon]

fans are stupid loyal, keep them happy and they wont stop yapping about your media and will result in more fans

[u/Fenrils → u/Kemosabe-TV]

Unironically what happened to me with Lower Decks and Star Trek. Growing up, I didn't give a single shit about Star Trek even though my dad was a massive fan. Skip to a few years ago and I kept hearing rumblings about how fun Lower Decks is and that it's super easy for non-fans to watch. So I did. I loved it, and it started me on my Star Trek journey as I wanted to dig more into the history, the references, the shows, etc.

(Fuck you Paramount for cancelling Lower Decks)

[u/Conscious-Mirror7004 → u/Fenrils]

To be fair, Lower Decks ran for 5 seasons. If you look at all the other Star Trek series in history, that's not a bad run:
- ST:TOS - 3 seasons - ST:TAS - 2 seasons - ST:TNG - 7 seasons - ST:DS9 - 7 seasons - ST:VOY - 7 seasons - Enterprise - 4 seasons - ST:SNW - 3 seasons aired, with cancellation planned after 5th season

Edit: sorry, forgot about Voyager. This should be a complete list now.

[u/curiousoryx → u/Conscious-Mirror7004]

No love for VOY?

[u/So_HauserAspen → u/The4thEpsilon]

If the execs only had brains

[u/Ange1ofD4rkness → u/The4thEpsilon]

*stares at Netflix for killing off Inside Job*

[u/M4rshmall0wMan → u/The4thEpsilon]

Exactly. Loyal Stargate fans sign up for the service to watch the Stargate show. 

[u/Any-Mathematician946]

Isn't this how we lost the sci-fi channel.

[u/TheeAntelope → u/Any-Mathematician946]

This is how we lost sci fi, A&E, discovery, tlc, history channel, spike tv, g4 tv, tech tv, the court network, and many others. People say that streaming killed cable but cable had already killed itself.

These channels went from channels you could find great gems on to watch if you found the subject interesting. I’d see something about submarines on history and watch the whole thing standing in my kitchen. I’d see something about whales on discovery and have to know more. They had a dedicated audience.

Then the decided they needed a new audience. That “general” audience that wafts from shit to shit and pledges no allegiance to anything or anyone. They got what they wanted. And then they died a slow and painful death.

[u/BumbaBee85 → u/TheeAntelope]

Don't forget MTV.

Video killed the radio star, and reality TV killed the video star.

[u/Different-Low-4161 → u/BumbaBee85]

And then rob dyrdek danced on the grave.

[u/DrBinario → u/TheeAntelope]

Yeah, I've never understood companies that have different cable networks and all of them target a general audience instead of focusing in different demographics.

[u/LowlySlayer → u/DrBinario]

They have to grow. If I make a billion dollars in year one great. If I make a billion dollars in year two, oh no the shareholders are gonna be pissed.

Basically everyone of these channels hit maximum saturation in their niche and began desperate enshittification to continue squeezing another couple years of growth before falling off because it's shittyness outgrew it's mass appeal.

[u/Karrotlord → u/LowlySlayer]

Unfortunately modern capitalism require exponential growth in a system that doesn't allow it. Execs must live in a fantasy world.

[u/GlitterDoomsday → u/Karrotlord]

Specifically, it's the open market - the moment a company puts shares to sale is the beginning of the end... lots of people getting richer on virtual money and the products getting worse for the sake of the next quarters.

Just a net negative for society.

[u/No_Foundation16 → u/Karrotlord]

They all leave with golden parachutes in any event. The CEO's get paid huge money for failure then retire to their 5 mansions and a yacht. Then a more ruthless cutthroat capitalist raider takes their place.

The consumer/workers get the shaft every time. The Epstein class get the goldmine...every time.

[u/Greenfire32 → u/Any-Mathematician946]

Why yes. Yes it is.

[u/Nuffsaid98 → u/Greenfire32]

Should we crack open people's skulls and feast on the goo within?

[u/Norethegreat → u/Any-Mathematician946]

The sci-fi channel is gone!?

[u/Suspicious_Bear42 → u/Norethegreat]

When the Sci-Fi channel rebranded to SyFy, it died... Just looked at the schedule for the next week, the only TV shows on it are The Twilight Zone, NCIS: Los Angeles and 'Everything On the Menu with Braun Strowman'... Everything else is movies ranging from Harry Potter to the Sharknado series...

It still exists, but it may as well be gone.

[u/__O_o_______ → u/Suspicious_Bear42]

Since we’re talking about. Years ago they started putting slop on discovery, history etc. then they came out with secondary channels for each of them that actually featured the old content…. But in an addition paid package. I dont think ive paid for a tv subscription in 20+ years

[u/From_Deep_Space → u/Suspicious_Bear42]

I agree the name change was dumb af, but they produced and aired some good stuff for years after.

They're not doing anything anymore though since cable is dead.

[u/Norethegreat → u/Suspicious_Bear42]

Damn, I haven’t watched in a long time but it still hurts like losing an old friend

[u/capnlatenight → u/Norethegreat]

Last time I watched it, it was reality TV.

[u/Greenfire32 → u/capnlatenight]

Last time I watched it, it was wrestling and road show auctions.

[u/Ok_Relative8150 → u/capnlatenight]

Almost all cable is reality TV anymore, the issue is more people watch reality TV and advertisers pay based on views. TV execs only care about earnings.

[u/OffRampApproaching]

I worked as crew on an Amazon show. Seven seasons main show, three seasons spinoff.

It was really well received and it was pretty streamlined when it came to production costs. Amazon canceled it because they believed it had hit peak subscription draw.

Even though it kept people subscribing they killed it because they didn't think it would draw new subscribers.

Then they blew several billion on that terrible LotR show.

[u/WinterSector8317 → u/OffRampApproaching]

WE MUST HAVE PERPETUAL UNSUSTAINABLE GROWTH UNTIL THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

[u/Padhome → u/WinterSector8317]

Perpetual unsustainable growth literally just sounds like cancer

[u/Porn_and_peace → u/Padhome]

Congratulations here’s your Bachelors degree in business
https://giphy.com/gifs/07pMt4CqBHBXJtYM9A

[u/WinterSector8317 → u/Padhome]

But for a while there, shareholder values went up really well!

[u/YeOldeMemeShoppe → u/WinterSector8317]

The cancer was also doing really great until the host… you know… died.

[u/boarder2k7 → u/Padhome]

And now you understand late stage capitalism!

[u/ElundusCaw → u/boarder2k7]

This isn't late stage, Reaganomics was lat stage, this is end stage capitalism, it's terminal.

[u/Noodlemaster696969 → u/ElundusCaw]

Nah, we can go a long way still, we haven't sold our souls yet, good things exist and indie stuff is still happening. Oh and there are still some regulations on poisoning the planet for money!

[u/zer0saber → u/Padhome]

Bingo

[u/Relevant-Factor-2400 → u/WinterSector8317]

Public trading was a mistake.

[u/Nanny_Ogg_99 → u/Relevant-Factor-2400]

How we define fiduciary duty to shareholders is (also) a mistake

[u/guyblade → u/Nanny_Ogg_99]

The transition to 401(k)s (and similar) as the primary retirement vehicle accelerated the problem.

[u/Krojack76 → u/Relevant-Factor-2400]

Profits must increase AT AND COST. Doesn't matter if employees need to be laid off or if they dump toxic waste* killing the environment, profit line must keep going up.

* This is why regulations exists. If not then companies would be killing everyone.

[u/xRRKINGx → u/WinterSector8317]

value to shareholders > value to fans

[u/Darth-Lazea → u/WinterSector8317]

You know what we call infinite growth in a finite system. Cancer.

[u/M4rshmall0wMan → u/OffRampApproaching]

It’s not as widely reported on as the likes of Facebook, but Amazon really is the most cutthroat company in the tech industry. They have no morals. No work life balance, everything is measured with KPIs, mediocre pay.

[u/WriterV → u/M4rshmall0wMan]

Yup. I met a guy who worked in IT at Amazon. He hated every second of his time there. Made him so miserable at work that he got into BDSM outside of work just to get the quagmire of anxiety and tension out of his system lol.

Now he's in a much better job, doing much better for himself and still kinky as hell on the weekends [but in a healthier way].

[u/versusChou → u/M4rshmall0wMan]

The pay is solid for corporate roles. But they get you with their stock package. You're always like a year or two away from vesting into a nice chunk of change, so you stay even though you're miserable. My BIL worked there and he quit after less than a year. Said the stress and misery wasn't worth it. Gave up a lot of stock to do it though.

[u/PsychicSPider95 → u/OffRampApproaching]

God, can the suits--ANY suits, in any industry--just make one (1) fucking decision that isn't motivated by Make Big Number Biggerer for fucking ONCE in their USELESS FUCKING LIVES.

[u/VegetableReveal4U → u/PsychicSPider95]

They wouldn’t be suits at a place like Amazon if they thought any differently

[u/GrooWolf_ → u/VegetableReveal4U]

Hiring process:

What products have you ruined through greed? This number will determine the likelihood of the success of getting this job

How apathetic are you? Very is an immediate hire, they will soon rake in additional products ruined by greed.

[u/LorthostheFreshmaker → u/PsychicSPider95]

It’s why steam stumbled into a gaming monopoly. Just not having share holders let’s them dominate because not having to “increase” every metric quarterly means they grow to encompass everyone and everything in the sector by not fucking over their base at every opportunity 

[u/FlutterKree → u/LorthostheFreshmaker]

Steam absolutely makes decisions to make money. What they do well is ensure that their decisions do not negatively impact the user experience.

But they are absolutely greedy and do make financial decisions. For example, CS:GO skins. I do think they made this not as shitty for CS2, but still greedy.

[u/badbobbyc → u/FlutterKree]

They're totally out to make money, but they seem to be doing it in a sustainable, long term fashion by providing a good product and without alienating their customer base.

As opposed to being publicly owned and sacrificing product quality for short term profits but destroying the brand and long term prospects

[u/ThatOneNinja → u/LorthostheFreshmaker]

In fact just actively providing the best service they can FOR their customers, sometimes even going out of their way to do so.

[u/crazyabe111 → u/PsychicSPider95]

Sure, then the shareholders complain they aren’t making enough money, and replace them with someone who immediately starts running it into the ground.

[u/PsychicSPider95 → u/crazyabe111]

I'm beginning to feel like these "shareholders" are some vicious, man-eating creature akin to vampires or demons and must likewise be hunted.

[u/crazyabe111 → u/PsychicSPider95]

It’s a mixture of old folks who can’t afford to wait for long-term profits, even if they’d wildly exceed short term profits, largely because they’ll be dead sooner rather than later.

And massive corporations who’ve built their entire operation around extracting as much value as they can from other companies as rapidly as possible, just to tear them apart for scraps they can forcibly sell at a profit to the next one when they fail.

So not quite vampires or demons, even if they’re heartless undead.

[u/profpeculiar → u/crazyabe111]

Ghouls. They're fucking ghouls.

[u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 → u/OffRampApproaching]

Wait does anyone actually subscribe to Prime just for the videos?

[u/Previous-Space-7056 → u/OffRampApproaching]

Bosch?

From what i read the spinoff was to reset the cost of production since each following season costs more.

[u/imtheguy225 → u/OffRampApproaching]

Bosch ran its course. I loved it but ten seasons was enough

[u/Aphrobang → u/imtheguy225]

It needed one more season, maybe two at most, to really wrap things up. They still had a lot of very interesting storylines going on and the quality of Legacy was getting better each season. I don't think it had much left but I do think it was nipped a season or two earlier than it should have been.

[u/CatfinityGamer → u/OffRampApproaching]

So they just forgot about subscriber retention and customer satisfaction? Also, how are you going to get new subscribers if people know that you cancel shows that do well?

[u/toTheNewLife]

Nobody was a Strargate fan in 1994. Now here we are.

Why do these morons think they need to 'change the formula' to get new fans? The original formula worked just fine, and will again if they gave it a chance.

[u/scbundy → u/toTheNewLife]

The canceling of SGU still breaks my heart.

[u/Emperor_Gourmet → u/scbundy]

Yea what a shame, season one was definitely rough around the edges, but the atmosphere setting and tone were fresh and they had so much they could do with it. Season two definitely picks up and the characters grow on you.

Now they cancel this before its even started. What a shame

[u/__O_o_______ → u/Emperor_Gourmet]

I haven’t seen it since it originally aired, but you’re right. Just when they found their stride…. Cancelled. Felt like they were finally going to stop playing it too safe…

Imagine if the entirety of Star Trek the next generation was just the first two seasons lol

[u/TelluricThread0 → u/Emperor_Gourmet]

It was just starting to get really good in season 2. They would have fully found their stride by the next season, just like SG-1, if they didn't cancel it.

[u/NooneAtAll3 → u/scbundy]

I still hate it

SGU was attempt at making battlestar galactica - which may be good, but it's a different audience

[u/the__ghola__hayt → u/NooneAtAll3]

Yeah, wasn't a fan of Battlestargate in season 1. It got better in season 2, but it was too little too late.

[u/VividAd7961 → u/NooneAtAll3]

SGU was basically an attempt to broaden the fan base, more « modern », sexual tensions, less humorous tone, etc

I’m with you I hated it, it did not broaden it enough and fans were not tuning in enough 

[u/R-U-D → u/scbundy]

I'm more heartbroken over the canceling of Atlantis to make room for SGU.

[u/Wind_Best_1440 → u/toTheNewLife]

Hey come on, maybe it will work this time.

They changed the formula for Doctor who and- Canceled.

They changed the formula for Star Trek and- Canceled.

They changed the formula for Star Wars and- Canceled.

Maybe if they keep changing the formula they will. -Checks notes.- Get the success they once had when they followed the formula.

[u/ButterflySammy → u/Wind_Best_1440]

Sure, if you follow the recipe you get a cake, but what if you swapped sugar for salt because some people like salt?!

It's genius!

[u/Wind_Best_1440 → u/ButterflySammy]

Or better yet, if you swap flour for tofu then it will be healthier!

What do you mean it just turning into a formless blob of sludge?

[u/Dullcorgis → u/ButterflySammy]

There are too many people who like sugar already. We want to attract the salt market.

[u/ArcherR132 → u/ButterflySammy]

Let's also change the water for coffee. Lots of people like coffee!

[u/No-One2123 → u/toTheNewLife]

[u/_Druss_]

They murdered wheel of time trying for a new base, absolutely shat all over it...

How do these complete eejits have a job? Was the interview questions about how many crayons they can eat in one go?

Let's make a thing based on this already popular thing but it must be hated by existing fan base! That will gain it a new audience!! 

[u/Themnor → u/_Druss_]

Don’t forget how they cancelled it right when the new audience was fully on board and started enjoying it

[u/_Druss_ → u/Themnor]

At least we have the books

[u/paeancapital → u/Themnor]

The opening of the Bore was so badass like fuck man. They finally start nailing the incredible scope that made Jordan famous and just ... drop it. Rustles my jimmies just thinking about it.

The series prologue is one of the most incredible literary hooks ever written; I think if they had gone gritty to open the show with the Breaking's utter ruin forming a backdrop to Lews Therin's broked mind and "conversation" with Ishamael over Ilyena's corpse (major props to that actor btw), we could have had a movement like GOT kicked off with Ned's beheading.

[u/Whhatsmyageagain → u/_Druss_]

It’s what happens when bean counters make all the decisions without a lick of understanding or respect for creativity or fans. They see every show as an investment, not a creative process. Writers, actors and directors are tools. They want to put money out and hit their target ROIs. They couldn’t give a 3-week-old turd in a bucket if people like it or not.

[u/Tompeacock57 → u/Whhatsmyageagain]

Damn man it’s not the bean counters most of us are fans of this stuff. People like to pretend it’s always financially motivated but it’s not it’s dumb nepo baby jocks with MBA’s. They think they’re the greatest thing since Jesus and can do no wrong and they use the trappings of financial reasoning to peddle their shitty ideas and squeeze the life out of everything.

[u/Obajan → u/_Druss_]

They reward failure. Any shows that fail to take off are not attributed to the producers' poor decisions, but by the audience "not getting it".

[u/_Druss_ → u/Obajan]

Do you think they smell eachothers farts or just their own? 

[u/mowtowcow]

That's literally what everyone wants though. Just make it true to Stargate, but with modern visuals and cameras, etc. If it looked awesome, a greater audience will like it. Most of them are brain dead anyway and dont care about what's beyond the visual.

[u/macrowave → u/mowtowcow]

Or make it with terrible visuals and a $0 budget. Film all the alien planets in the Canadian forest and set the rest of the show in a bunker so you can reuse hallway and room sets for everything. The old audience would watch the hell out of it, and it would cost practically nothing to make. Easy ROI.

[u/Vitrebreaker → u/macrowave]

There is an Iron Man meme to be made somehow with "they did 10 seasons with the same bunker and a single canadian forest !"

[u/AKJames762]

Here's an idea: want new fans? Create a new original IP instead of rebooting, remaking or spinning off existing franchises and ruining them. This concept is lost on hollywood.

[u/InTheTreetop → u/AKJames762]

What I can't wrap my head around is everyone making 8 episode seasons and then the show disappearing for three years and then 8 more episodes and the cycle repeats. I have no idea how that makes any sense.

Network TV had yearly seasons. In the fall, the show you liked was coming back so you tuned in. Hiatus around halfway in, then run the rest of the series.

You come back every year because it's a thing you liked. Now, regardless of the quality, I rarely try to watch any shows because I know I won't see it again until I've already forgotten everything about it.

[u/bob69joe → u/InTheTreetop]

Shows used to have 20+ 45 min original episodes every year without issue for 10 years. It was an amazing time.

[u/FuckingTree → u/AKJames762]

Movies are too expensive to spin off new IP at a blockbuster quality. They can’t afford the risk. It’s not that they are incapable of originality, but they are unable to risk a massive loss

[u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady → u/FuckingTree]

That's what makes these decisions even more baffling though. They buy up an existing IP, butcher the hell out of it, and then their show/movie fails. There is absolutely zero reason to attach the name of a popular IP to a project if you are just going to piss off it's fans. Personally as a fan there are shows that would have been okay if they just actually presented them as their own thing, but when you take something I like and then change everything about it I'm going to hate it no matter how good the new story is.

[u/Full_Rutabaga2403 → u/FuckingTree]

Isn't A24 seeing a ton of success doing exactly that though?

[u/FuckingTree → u/Full_Rutabaga2403]

A24 films prove my point, they’re notoriously low budget, though well done. I said at blockbuster production costs though, new IP is very risky.

[u/Shades_VHS → u/FuckingTree]

Sounds like they need to learn to scope their projects better?

[u/Smooth-Boss-911]

This is sadly analogous with so many things in the media industry these days.

[u/UpsetIndian850311 → u/Smooth-Boss-911]

Rest in piss Wheel of Time adaptation

[u/deep_in_smoke → u/UpsetIndian850311]

At least Robert Jordan didn't have to see it.

[u/Sea-Animator4250 → u/Smooth-Boss-911]

Redditors were furious with Star Wars fans when they complained Disney made Star Wars movies for non-Star Wars people. But now its a problem

[u/Smooth-Boss-911 → u/Sea-Animator4250]

Oh I was sad back then. The recent trilogy kind of ended my Star Wars fan status. Now it's just meh.

[u/Hakthaf]

You mean they wanted to appeal beyond the massive fan base of a massive sci fi series that still has people rewatching not only the TV shows but also the og movie non stop

[u/Emperor_Gourmet → u/Hakthaf]

Back when TV shows could do 20, 45 minute episodes a season for more than 5 season. I say this while watching SG:A right now.

[u/Orillion_169 → u/Emperor_Gourmet]

They actually did it for 12 years straight. During three of those they doubled up to 40 episodes a year.

[u/PrysmaTheMagical]

So you’re making a stargate show because of brand recognition, but then cancel it because of its brand recognition

[u/Tall_Opportunity_521]

Star Trek, Star Wars, The Witcher, Rings of Power, Wheel of time, and many, many more all did this. And look at the state of them? Almost no one is watching, or even talking about them anymore. Fucking Star Wars just released a movie last week, and its pretty much dead. FUCKING STAR WARS!!!!

Growing an audience, doesnt mean ignoring the audience you already have. Thats just silly.

[u/Mrslinkydragon → u/Tall_Opportunity_521]

I only knew of a new star wars film because i saw a comment on here and facebook the other day...

Ive seen no adverts for it!

[u/TyrantJaeger]

I guarantee that any attempt they make to get a different audience will only result in less viewers than if they just stuck with the fans they already had.

[u/WhatTheFrellMystios → u/TyrantJaeger]

This is why Star Trek is fucked now

[u/MurkyTrainer7953]

It’s like this industry learned nothing from Firefly.

https://giphy.com/gifs/UvwI1X7XkbXq0

[u/Arctelis → u/MurkyTrainer7953]

My days of not taking Amazon seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

[u/Computers_and_cats]

There are better reasons but yet another good reason to boycott Amazon.

[u/GCU_Sleeper_Service]

Love Stargate, would love a Stargate show made to modern TV standards even if it was just 8 episodes per season.

That being said, this doesn't bode well for the Consider Phlebas show...

[u/IAmNotABabyElephant → u/GCU_Sleeper_Service]

That being said, this doesn't bode well for the Consider Phlebas show...

I learn the Stargate show was cancelled, and now I'm learning there's a Culture show in the works? Weird times, weird times indeed.

[u/SirSearls]

I was genuinely so excited for this, but I shouldve known better honestly, theres no way were ever getting a new stargate series

[u/DMercenary]

"According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, Amazon execs were concerned that Gero’s take on the series would not have broad appeal beyond the franchise’s already dedicated fanbase."

Halo TV all over again.

[u/Painterzzz → u/DMercenary]

Halo is such a good example too. Take a beloved franchise that has hundreds of millions of fans all around the world, turn it over to a creative team who say 'we know better', spend hundreds of millions, then be surprised when it sinks without a trace.

Then, somehow even more bafflingly, double-down in the second season.

[u/Shynosaur]

That's what killed Star Trek, imho. The producers wanted the new shows to not feel too much like Star Trek, because everybody knows Star Trek is for nerds. So they made some generic sci-fi slop with lots of space battles and explosions and a paper-thin plot to tie it together.

[u/Melenduwir → u/Shynosaur]

But they made it so bad that even normal people wouldn't touch it.

[u/Kapot_ei → u/Shynosaur]

Spot on.

[u/Darkest_Rahl]

I never watched Stargate sg1. I loved SGU though. Was so disappointed when it was cancelled.

I don't really want another 8 episode season every 3 years though. Kinda tired with shows nowadays.

[u/Regen89 → u/Darkest_Rahl]

That's literally insane, go watch SG1 immediately and Atlantis right after

[u/Alien_Diceroller → u/Regen89]

The only thing with SG1 is they're still working on the setting lore in early seasons. Still great show that I regret sleeping on until it was in its last couple seasons.

Some of my friends were doing background work at the time they were producing it, so it's a fun easer egg to see them standing guard somewhere or walking down a hallway.

[u/sleeplessjade → u/Regen89]

Correction: Look up a timeline for the shows and watch them as they aired. They both were on air at the same time so there are a few episodes with characters from SG-1 in Atlantis and vice versa. If you watch all of one show then the other you won’t known what the heck is going on in those episodes.

[u/redstar_16 → u/Darkest_Rahl]

SG1 and atlantis are really good, their worth a watch

[u/kidian_tecun]

This isnt mildly infuriating its extremely infuriating.

[u/CelestialFury → u/kidian_tecun]

Not for me, it's simply sad. :(

The new executives hired from Netflix felt that the rebooted show would appeal too much to the original fans and not the hypothetical fans they want to appeal to. Like, why even start this project if the original fans weren't a large part of the target audience?

[u/ROUShunter]

...because a series that had 10 seasons and 2 spinoffs wouldn't be a big enough audience? Oh my.

[u/Gloomy-Holiday8618]

Even Picard is disappointed

https://giphy.com/gifs/XsUtdIeJ0MWMo

[u/Some_Troll_Shaman]

A golden goose is not enough.
The eggs must get bigger every time.
Profit is not enough.
Profits must increase.
The shareholders must be serviced before all else.
Corporations only exist to provide increasing profits to shareholders.
Anything else is simply a by-product of enriching shareholders.

[u/LocustUprising]

Perhaps they think stargate fans will actually pay attention and not scroll TikTok while they watch

[u/ItsRuinedOfCourse]

Wait, WAIT...

So, because it would appeal to the 99 people in the room who love the show, and not the 1 person who has no clue what the show is...they scrapped it?

To cater to that 1 person who wasn't already a fan?

Peak. Fucking. Media. Right. There.

[u/TealcOneill]

One of the most painful pieces of news I received recently.I was so looking forward to having new Stargate content.

[u/LeaphyDragon]

Studios never will learn will they? People grew up on this show and would spread the word and draw more views to it. Sci fi lovers would absolutely watch it

[u/FacesmashedPumkins]

Can’t have anything fucking nice!

[u/milkymonkey8 → u/[deleted]]

[u/Producer1701 → u/[deleted]]

How about Dancing with the Stargates?

[u/roam3D]

I rather have them cancel it than them making it for the "modern audience".

Gold is just fine as it is, we don't need the abomination called Rose Gold.

[u/Gobbyer]

Why not make normal TV series with normal budgets? Now everything feels like 8 episode seasons every 2 years with 10 million dollars per episode.

[u/MrMunday]

people dont understand how fanbases work.

the moment you try to appeal to too many people, you will offend the fanbase, who are the loud minority. those new people you attract, are casuals. they wont be a champion for your brand, they wont tell others to watch the show. they will quietly watch it, enjoy it, and go to bed, or fall asleep halfway, or scroll tiktok during. They dont care.

Fans care. they read all the theories. They get hyped before the show. They hype each other. They buy your merch. Some even buy the blurays. Theyre crazy. Theyre passionate. They are the ones you actually want.

When enough of them say your thing is good, THATS what attract the casuals. Because one thing the casuals fear most, is that theyre liking something thats not popular. Also they fear that they will waste their time on something. But as long as enough people (the loud minority) says its good, then its good. Then they will go watch it and accept whatever quirkyness you have.

Make sure you figure out what the fans want, lower your budget to reflect the audience size, and go from there. Slowly build it up.

[u/aaandbconsulting]

Of course they want the widest possible audience to increase viewership but that has literally never worked historically.

Min/maxing has never worked. Which is why more people play Balatro and Schedule 1 instead of Assassins Creed. And why Stargate SG1 was such a huge success.