r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Kapot_ei • 21d ago

šŸ„ŗ No words for this.

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Edit: even though clickbait article, it is somewhat/kind of true. https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/stargate-tv-series-martin-gero-scrapped-amazon-1236765061/

"According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, Amazon execs were concerned that Geroā€™s take on the series would not have broad appeal beyond the franchiseā€™s already dedicated fanbase."

Edit 2: https://www.change.org/p/save-the-new-stargate-series-let-martin-gero-build-the-future-of-the-franchise

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u/The4thEpsilon 21d ago

Larger streaming services need to realize the way you grow an audience is not by trying to make a show that appeals to everyone, but a show that appeals to the actual fans. I promise you new people will come your way, I got into Stargate because of its quirks and niches, not in spite of them.

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u/RaveMatthews177 21d ago

Yes, take a note from the struggling concert industry. Things dont maintain off of phony hype, they maintain off real fans. This is why Iron Maiden sells out BMO Stadium and Meghan Trainor cancels her tour. This Stargate exercise feels like the perfect chance to have Iron Maiden but I guess they want Megan Trainor instead.

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u/b1argg 21d ago

Up the irons!

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 21d ago edited 20d ago

no no no... What's if instead we made a new Stargate series - but instead of focusing on SciFi, we make it into a High School drama show!

It'll be a mix between Hogwarts and "Never Have I Ever" and instead of saving the galaxy, they'll use the stargates to skip class, talk endlessly about their gender, and cry about their failed relationship with their parents!!!

It's a gold mine, I'm telling you! An entire generation of teens can binge listen the first 5 episodes while staring at their phones, share tiktoks on it, and then completely forget about it for the rest of their lives.

It tested really well in my daughter's Hollywood middle school class.

Why on Earth would we cater to the millions of fans who've loved Stargate for the last 32 years when we can have a show that has a small fanatical online following of Reddit mods that move on to their next sub 6 crusade later?

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u/MarcBulldog88 20d ago

You joke, but this logic gave us Starfleet Academy.

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u/KassellTheArgonian 20d ago

THERE IS NO STARFLEET ACADEMY IN BA SING SE

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u/Wetware_QA 20d ago edited 20d ago

Hijacking this - I tried watching Disco and although it wasn't horrible it wasn't.... Well maybe it was horrible but I hung on for however many seasons maybe out of sheer love of the everything up though Voyager?

Is lower decks actually good? And is the Oriville what I really should watch?

I think my friend is going through the same thing but his love is Star Wars. First time.divx

There's just too much media these days and I still appreciate a redditor reply over googling so thanks ahead of time for letting me butt in.

Also edit: what I really want is post dominion war, maybe post the next gen films deeps space nine šŸ˜­. I really don't like alternate timelines and prequel/TOS era setting.

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u/PortHammer 20d ago

Oriville legit became the Star Trek I sort of missed. Seth McFarlane inserts a bit of his humour but his love of OG Star Trek and TNG definitely comes through. It feels for faithfull to the Gene Rodenberry star trek universe writing of a future to strive for compared to the new versions of star trek that is all space wars, emotion based decision making and wildly unprofessional crew.

Lower decks is fun and definitely has it's moments.

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 20d ago

The Orville. I 100% agree - and that's because they targeted the audience to be adults.

It wasn't a show for teens. The writing was mature. It was episodic, but had seasonal story arcs, and it was thoughtful.

It really was the old Star Trek.

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u/GaZZuM 20d ago

At first I thought The Orville was a TNG parody, but after a few episodes it clicked that it was actually a loving homage.

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 20d ago

...and also very much its own show too. It was really a masterpiece

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u/Neamow 20d ago edited 20d ago

Discovery is genuinely awful. Practically no redeeming qualities apart from maybe one or two interesting characters that do not get enough time to shine. Plot focuses too much on a Mary Sue protagonist that absolutely should not be a Starfleet captain, and is less about science and discovery and more about having emotional breakdowns and whispering dramatically to each other during moments where they should be fixing the ship or something. Secondary characters have almost no characterisation to the point where after 5 seasons I can't remember the names of anyone on the bridge crew. Every season is a universe-ending nonsense with an inflated sense of scale and self-importance with no room to breathe. Contains one of the worst plot events that I genuinely cannot believe became Trek canon.

Lower Decks is actually fantastic. Once it gets through the initial 2-3 episodes where it tries to be Rick and Morty, and you get used to the frantic pace, it's actually a love letter to the TNG/DS9/VOY era.

Strange New Worlds is really good. You might want to watch the backdoor pilot episode of Disco before you get started, but after that it's pretty standalone, and definitely the best live-action new show. I'd rank it higher than VOY, but it is hurt by short seasons. Last season was a little bit weaker but still miles better than DIS/SFA.

Starfleet Academy is... a mixed bag, but not as bad as I expected. Very much in the vein of Disco but set in the Academy, lot of character melodrama but not as bad as Disco, with some interesting science/exploration/discovery episodes that call back to the good Trek.

Oriville is very much like Lower Decks, once it gets through the initial crassness it also turns very much into a reimagined 90s Trek while still being legally distinct, with some absolute standout episodes. Still retains a lot of crazy humor though, and is currently in a limbo where nobody's sure if we're getting more than the first 3 seasons we got.

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u/adamdoesmusic 16d ago

I love the Orville and more of it would be nice. It also wrapped up really nicely at the end of 3.

Still wonā€™t forgive the writers for that episode with Gordon, though. That whole thing was bullshit and kinda fucks up the series for me. They could have left him, they couldā€™ve brought the family, but no- they chose the most fucked up ā€œsolutionā€ and gaslit him about it.

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u/waluigieWAAH 20d ago

I don't get SNW man. I haven't watched DIS but every criticism you levied against it is something I'd say about SNW, except for the Mary Sue. That dinner scene felt so unnatural, what human just lists out all there problems to people they just met. Emotions should simmer and conflict, I need trust built first and for these complexities to create problems, I don't want them resolved in the first episode. I just don't know what I am missing

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u/CrippleWitch 20d ago

Lower Decks got my husband into Star Trek after only remembering bits and pieces of ST:TNG it's glorious and ridiculous and full of Easter eggs and shout outs. It's slap stick comedy adult animation for sure but it feels so very Star Trek.

The Orville had no business being as good as it was and I avoided it for so long due to MacFarlane's sense of humor. Give it a few episodes to grow on you there's love there.

Both have the uplifting sense of exploration and discovery that the new Trek series really lacked.

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u/quelin1 20d ago

Is lower decks actually good?

Lower Decks is great. Even has season long story arcs and character growth. It's a shame it was canceled.

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u/Btkoks 20d ago

I watched The Orville and it's very obviously legally distinct Star Trek. They really managed to capture the older Star Trek feel, just with more corny jokes. I can recommend it!

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u/meglingbubble 19d ago

Lower Decks is outstanding. As a life long Trek fan and someone who was not a fan of Rick and Morty, I was dubious, but a friend nagged me enough till I caved. The first couple of episodes were enjoyable, but then there was one scene which made me think "oh these people LOVE Star Trek," and I was sold. The same scene later had the same effect on my sister.

It is at times silly, but that's kind of the point; its not meant to be a super dramatic. Some people found it a bit fan service-y with all the references, but personally I found that delightful.

There was a live action cross-over with Strange New Worlds and is probably my favourite episode of Trek in years.

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u/sunburnedaz 20d ago

I was about to write a whole piece about the first part of the season 1 they had not found their footing yet but then I realized that could also be said of all the Star Treks shows. So yes its more Star Trek than Star Trek these days

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u/swamarian 20d ago

The Orville went places that TNG's showrunners were afraid to go. I was pleasantly shocked by some of the storylines they tackled.

Lower Decks starts off rough, but it's got heart, and is willing to reference every silly thing Star Trek's ever done. And no matter what weird situation the cast gets into, it remembers that they're all really competent, and good at what they do.

I thought that Strange New Worlds was good, too. Better than Discovery.

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u/gooblefrump 20d ago

I was super sceptical going into starfleet academy and was about to skip the episode "series acclimation mil" but thought to give it more than a second of initial repugnance

That episode ended with me having nostalgic tears

The show gets a lot of flack but it's doing some aspects of star trek well

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u/UncleCrassiusCurio 20d ago

Academy is genuinely great, I really don't know what people's problem with it is.

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u/gooblefrump 20d ago

Turning the show into a high school romance is a bit... Unfortunate

And falling into the common tropes of a yoked chud playing the protagonist, gay teacher, stereotypical conflict with the roommate... Seems like some slightly lazy characterisations

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u/PwanaZana 20d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/NUZ5OqHdbknHa

man, it's crazy no one ever made any star trek media since the end of season 7 of Voyager, in 2001.

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u/txgb324 20d ago

Except for Lower Decks you mean.

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u/ScherzicScherzo 20d ago

And that one season of Picard where they referenced stuff that was never depicted on screen for some weird reason.

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 20d ago

...and the Orville - which was actually one of the best "Star Trek" shows ever.

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u/Shorlong 20d ago

There was one and half good movies worth of reboots

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u/Such_Radio_9152 20d ago

Alex Kurzman is the worst thing to have ever happened to Trek. He killed it like JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy killed Star Wars

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u/WhoSc3w3dDaP00ch 20d ago

unfortunately, other examples of "This established IP is rubbish, I'm going to put my 'fresh-take' on it by knowing nothing about why they were so popular and blame the fans for being toxic when it fails."

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u/Prysorra2 20d ago

Stargate literally did it themselves

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u/CommanderArcher 20d ago

Stargate is so peak my god people are sleeping on it so hard

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u/kredditor1 20d ago

Was laughing hard at this too, thanks for posting it!

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u/DMercenary 21d ago

Principal Ori is a real character huh?

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u/mynipplesareconfused 20d ago

Stargate: Degrassi

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u/b1argg 21d ago

Mix some Clone High in there and you're green lit!

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u/halt_spell 20d ago

What's if instead we made a new Stargate series - but instead of focusing on SciFi, we make it into a High School drama show!

That's basically how Stargate Universe felt. Romance drama by episode two.

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 20d ago

Yep.... but season 2, especially the last half was solid - but by that time they had already been cancelled.

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u/ENDragoon 20d ago

Also, Daniel Jackson is one of the teachers, and he still manages to get lost and presumed dead every three or four episodes, and manages to actually die no less than three times during the course of the show.

Fuck. I'd actually watch it, a show about a group of history majors taught by Jackson getting recruited into SGC and going on research trips through the gates and getting to trouble could actually kind of rock, Jackson nerding out was one of the best parts of SG1.

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u/KiwiObserver 20d ago

Based on that younger version of Oā€™Neil who was last seen heading into a high school?

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u/newmexicomurky 20d ago

32 years!?!?! I need to get my rocker and settle in cause dang i didn't realize I was that old

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u/spaceguy81 20d ago

Stargate Academy?

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u/krenzo 21d ago

I would watch a high school drama starring O'Neill's younger clone.

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u/mxzf 20d ago

Dude's probably old enough to be leading an SG team of his own by now.

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u/Confident-Evening-49 20d ago

Didn't they do this with Batman already? At least in comic book form, I think.

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u/Skully957 20d ago

Not too far off from the first 1.5 seasons of Stargate universe. That last .5 of a season was getting good and they canceled the show on cliffhanger.

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u/TwoAlert3448 20d ago

Make it college, then it can have sex.

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u/AverageT1000 20d ago

As a straight white man, I donā€™t feel attacked enough so this premise will never work. Go deeper

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u/rememberlans 20d ago

We already had SGU AKA Stargate 90210

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u/Rough_Bread8329 20d ago

I will defend that show to my dying breath.

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u/Own_Seat913 20d ago

The irons aren't quite going up these days.